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[SouthSideRyan]

36 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Thus far, it appears the Bears are intent on running Fields off so Poles is able to draft his QB.  Then I'm certain we'll see Poles aggressively try to create best possible environment for his QB, that is, attempt to do all things he should have done for Fields. What a kick in the balls that'll be to Fields.  Should that come to pass, I wouldn't mind seeing Fields hook on somewhere and come back to beat the Bears maybe, for added emphasis, in a playoff game.  I know it's a business and all but, there are better ways to go about making your QB prove he's the one.  Hell, I do know what's wrong with straight up honesty, I'd said Justin needs to prove he's our QB.

If he wanted to run off Fields, why get Moore rather than additional pick(s)?

[gflore34]

3 minutes ago, SouthSideRyan said:

If he wanted to run off Fields, why get Moore rather than additional pick(s)?

I don't know, that's what confusing, Poles' half-assing it for a QB he doesn't see as the future.

[WrigleyField 22]

DJ Moore was more valuable than a first round pick two years away, regardless of how he felt about Fields. Pretty simple explanation, if that were the case?

 

 

[UMFan83]

16 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

DJ Moore was more valuable than a first round pick two years away, regardless of how he felt about Fields. Pretty simple explanation, if that were the case?

 

 

Until Moore says f- this and demands a trade to a team with a real QB, but yeah there's logic behind that. 

[jersey cubs fan]

18 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

DJ Moore was more valuable than a first round pick two years away, regardless of how he felt about Fields. Pretty simple explanation, if that were the case?

 

 

Except he’s not. A couple wasted prime years for a guy while destroying his value for next and likely final contract. 

[WrigleyField 22]

26 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Except he’s not. A couple wasted prime years for a guy while destroying his value for next and likely final contract. 

DJ Moore has two under contract years (prime years) for a hypothetical rookie QB in 2024 to have as a weapon.  That's 100% more valuable that a 2025 FRP.

 

To say otherwise is to fall down this trap about perfectly laid plans and "don't actually try until you're really ready to try" thing (more Process brain junk)

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

DJ Moore has two under contract years (prime years) for a hypothetical rookie QB in 2024 to have as a weapon.  That's 100% more valuable that a 2025 FRP.

 

To say otherwise is to fall down this trap about perfectly laid plans and "don't actually try until you're really ready to try" thing (more Process brain junk)

The point is this is not some sort of grand plan from Poles. He acquired DJ because he wanted to make it work with Fields now. He wasn’t thinking ahead to 2024 draft, when god knows what qb will be available and where you will pick. Poles planned to win 8+ games this year. He didn’t acquire DJ Moore because he’s more valuable than a 2025 pick. He doesn’t have until 2025. 
 

At this rate Moore won’t finish his contract with the Bears. 

[gflore34]

51 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

DJ Moore has two under contract years (prime years) for a hypothetical rookie QB in 2024 to have as a weapon.  That's 100% more valuable that a 2025 FRP.

 

To say otherwise is to fall down this trap about perfectly laid plans and "don't actually try until you're really ready to try" thing (more Process brain junk)

The point is, at the moment, regardless of the plan, the Bears are one gigantic cluster horsefeathers.  Something has to be done to make the Bears close to some semblance of an NFL team.  Enough of this Benny Hill show we've thus far, been subjected to, this kind horsefeathers is inexcusable.  Even bad teams, with terrible QB's can manage to look competent.

Edited September 27, 2023 by gflore34

[WrigleyField 22]

30 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

The point is this is not some sort of grand plan from Poles. He acquired DJ because he wanted to make it work with Fields now. He wasn’t thinking ahead to 2024 draft, when god knows what qb will be available and where you will pick. Poles planned to win 8+ games this year. He didn’t acquire DJ Moore because he’s more valuable than a 2025 pick. He doesn’t have until 2025. 
 

At this rate Moore won’t finish his contract with the Bears. 

Okay, but Poles failing writ large isn't an indictment of the value of Moore over a 2025 FRP.

[UMFan83]

Glad Hub is healthy and everything but damn

Edited September 27, 2023 by UMFan83

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Glad Hub is healthy and everything but damn

I'm there with the benching, as long as it's Getsy.

[CubinNY]

43 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Glad Hub is healthy and everything but damn

what a joke. 

[Derwood]

What will Bears say when Bagent goes 10-28 for 72 yards and 3 INT in his first game?

[jumbo]

4 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Listening to Hoge and Jahns podcast and some jamoke called in and said “how is this team worse after spending all that money?”

 

THE BEARS DIDNT SPEND ANY MONEY!!! They left huge holes for two consecutive years on purpose. 

 

They struggled to get up to the minimum requirement. Why do people ignore this? Goddamn fans are stupid. 

Hoge and Jahns were complaining about how bad the defense is after spending all that money, maybe they convinced people of this take. 

Referring to Edmunds, Edwards, Walker and Yannick - Edmunds was a top of market contract, but the others were shorter term/mid level deals, nothing exorbitant

Maybe an explanation for their callers...

[jumbo]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Glad Hub is healthy and everything but damn

Someone on Twitter posted the Bears Points versus their opponents PPG allowed

On offense they were pretty close to the same for all three games

On defense they were allowing WAY more than their opponenets PPG

 

 

I think the intent of the post was to defend Fields' performance. It's got to be hard for a banged up defense of misfit toys to hold up when the O has so many 3 & outs, or similarly short drives. 

I find it amazing how nothing seems to be working on offense. Last year they could run the ball a little bit. I realize Fields put them at the top of the league and their run rate was really high overall. I'd prefer a more passing based offense, but at a certain point you've got to protect your defense, control the ball. I'm not sure they're good enough to run it right now but they're not running much.  

[WrigleyField 22]

10 minutes ago, jumbo said:

Hoge and Jahns were complaining about how bad the defense is after spending all that money, maybe they convinced people of this take. 

Referring to Edmunds, Edwards, Walker and Yannick - Edmunds was a top of market contract, but the others were shorter term/mid level deals, nothing exorbitant

Maybe an explanation for their callers...

I mean they did spend a decent amount of money on D (certainly not as much as they could have).  But also, they spent more than the production they're getting (along with 4 top 64 picks over past two years). Of course, they put most the assets into all the wrong places, on top of marrying it with a D that traditionally REALLY needs the talent in those specific spots.

 

So yea this D is terrible, and a lot definitely is coaching and scheme. Although obviously Poles can't hide from that either.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Missing three starting offensive linemen is probably part of why they can't run the ball.  Which shouldn't matter because running the ball is stupid and you don't need to be good at it.

I think what we are seeing is a football team with a critical mass of failure.  You can't do your job on a football team if your teammates aren't doing theirs.  There's probably some number of starters who could be useful players in a different situation, but it's hard to tell which ones those are.

I'm not usually one to root for draft position, especially this early, but there's just nothing redeemable about this team.  Normally I would say that what you lose in bad development from key young assets isn't worth it, but I don't really care about most of this teams young assets.  

Gimme that 0-17 and burn the whole thing to the ground to try to get the stench out before Williams gets here 

 

[Outshined_One]

The Bagent hype train is decidedly nauseating. If you want to tank the season and go 0-17, go nuts and put him out there to die an unceremonious death, but, otherwise, this smacks of the woebegone hype around every other ****** Bears backup QB dating back to at least Henry Burris.

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Missing three starting offensive linemen is probably part of why they can't run the ball.  Which shouldn't matter because running the ball is stupid and you don't need to be good at it.

I think what we are seeing is a football team with a critical mass of failure.  You can't do your job on a football team if your teammates aren't doing theirs.  There's probably some number of starters who could be useful players in a different situation, but it's hard to tell which ones those are.

I'm not usually one to root for draft position, especially this early, but there's just nothing redeemable about this team.  Normally I would say that what you lose in bad development from key young assets isn't worth it, but I don't really care about most of this teams young assets.  

Gimme that 0-17 and burn the whole thing to the ground to try to get the stench out before Williams gets here 

 

I don't care in the sense of like, of course if it's a 0-17 then it doesn't matter.  But I do want them to be better.  If they did go even like 6-11 it's because some of these guys are actual good young players. Even some of the non rookie guys are young enough and under contracr enough where they arent sunk assets you just need to drop (like Mack was in 22).

 

And sure there's only 1 Caleb Williams in the draft, but like 

1) Carolina pick alone has potential to get you there

2) Two potential top 10 picks, gobs of cap space, an few extra day 2/3 pick in 24/25... They actually do have the assets to do good things. If they can't use all that to make a below average team a really good one, Caleb Williams probably won't matter, and they'll top out as Stafford era Lions anyways.

[WrigleyField 22]

Just now, Outshined_One said:

The Bagent hype train is decidedly nauseating. If you want to tank the season and go 0-17, go nuts and put him out there to die an unceremonious death, but, otherwise, this smacks of the woebegone hype around every other ****** Bears backup QB dating back to at least Henry Burris.

Yea, Bears fans wanting him alone is a sure sign that it's a bad thing.  We have the worst track record of all time pining for random backup QBs.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Free Caleb Hanie!

[WrigleyField 22]

Josh Lucas burning all his old insider info in desperate attempt to get a media gig I guess 

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

And sure there's only 1 Caleb Williams in the draft

 

I won't pretend to be enough of a scout to know the difference between a future good QB and a future bad one in college, and even the pro scouts don't seem to be very good at it, but if we assume they actually hit their ceiling, Drake Maye is the tall pocket passer I've been dreaming of forever.  Williams is more the Mahomes-esque improvisational type that everyone wants these days.    Maye's scouting report reads like the guy who is going to drop back, read the defense and deliver a strike on time. (He's still athletic enough to be useful running and scrambling if you *must* have that sort of thing).

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/drake-maye-draft-scouting-2024/
 

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Displays consistent anticipation both when reacting to breaks and reading zones.

Can work left to right on progressions and consistently leads his eyes with his feet.

Can quickly recognize optimal leverage and matchups on deep attempts.

I've pretty much got my heart set on getting one of them.

[Old Style]

Whoever we draft will be sure to be the wrong pick.

[CubinNY]

5 minutes ago, Old Style said:

Whoever we draft will be sure to be the wrong pick.

That's the spirit. Maybe it will be like the Michael Jordan draft.