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[BigbadB]

11 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I won't pretend to be enough of a scout to know the difference between a future good QB and a future bad one in college, and even the pro scouts don't seem to be very good at it, but if we assume they actually hit their ceiling, Drake Maye is the tall pocket passer I've been dreaming of forever.  Williams is more the Mahomes-esque improvisational type that everyone wants these days.    Maye's scouting report reads like the guy who is going to drop back, read the defense and deliver a strike on time. (He's still athletic enough to be useful running and scrambling if you *must* have that sort of thing).

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/drake-maye-draft-scouting-2024/
 

I've pretty much got my heart set on getting one of them.

If Maye is the guy, they should have the potential to trade the first overall pick for a new haul, while keeping their place in line to draft Maye. Caleb Williams might force this situation also, due to his father's urgency that bad teams are not welcome to draft his son. 

Even though the Bears are clearly the worst team in the league, all effort will need to be made to beat Carolina on a chilly Thursday night in November in Chicago. 

[CubinNY]

You do have to love that they are home underdog to a team whose last game was competitively over in the 2nd quarter.

[BigbadB]

20 hours ago, gflore34 said:

That's fine, I'd like to think Poles wasn't on board because he saw the flaws in Fields' game but, also wasn't sold enough on any of Young, Stroud, etc. to pull the trigger.  So, he rolled the dice on Fields with an eye on 2024.  Though, given his moves, Poles doesn't appear that smart, that's the sticking point.  I'd also expect a complete reset on the coaching staff as well, I think there's something to Eberflus being foisted upon Poles.

I've read that Eberflus was interviewed by the Bears before Poles was hired, and I've read that the Bears had already pretty much all but named him as their HC before Poles was hired, but normally a new GM gets to make this hire, assuming it wasn't a big name HC that can be trusted with whoever is hired as GM. 

So I did a bit of internet browsing about the strange hire of Eberflus only days after Poles was hired. Most of what I see online is that Eberflus was always going to be Poles' guy if he became a GM. They had some sort of previous history together and Poles really liked Eberflus. 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

36 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

If Maye is the guy, they should have the potential to trade the first overall pick for a new haul, while keeping their place in line to draft Maye. Caleb Williams might force this situation also, due to his father's urgency that bad teams are not welcome to draft his son. 

Even though the Bears are clearly the worst team in the league, all effort will need to be made to beat Carolina on a chilly Thursday night in November in Chicago. 

If they have the pick and Maye is their guy, they use that pick to select Maye - full stop. 

[BigbadB]

1 minute ago, jersey cubs fan said:

If they have the pick and Maye is their guy, they use that pick to select Maye - full stop. 

If they have picks #1 and #2, you still say that? I don't think I do. The haul for Caleb Williams should be astronomical. 

[gflore34]

15 hours ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Josh Lucas burning all his old insider info in desperate attempt to get a media gig I guess 

 

 

I don't know how the Bears can get out from under this whole they ruin QB's dialog.  True, lately, they've drafted flawed QB's and been unable to coach to their strengths or around the flaws.  Lucas said it himself, if Mitch had gone to the Chiefs things would have been improved however, because of his deficiencies, his ascendancy would have been capped.  The Bears didn't create the flaws of Mitch or Justin, they didn't coach those things into either guy.

[jersey cubs fan]

7 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

If they have picks #1 and #2, you still say that? I don't think I do. The haul for Caleb Williams should be astronomical. 

Absopositively.

You use one on Maye then offer up the 2nd to whoever wants the other guy. 
 

not even a question 

[Old Style]

54 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

That's the spirit. Maybe it will be like the Michael Jordan draft. 

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you don’t get fooled again. 

[BigbadB]

5 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Absopositively.

You use one on Maye then offer up the 2nd to whoever wants the other guy. 
 

not even a question 

Well, yeah if you put it that way. What the hell was I thinking? I need another cup of coffee. Sheesh!

[BigbadB]

7 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

I don't know how the Bears can get out from under this whole they ruin QB's dialog.  True, lately, they've drafted flawed QB's and been unable to coach to their strengths or around the flaws.  Lucas said it himself, if Mitch had gone to the Chiefs things would have been improved however, because of his deficiencies, his ascendancy would have been capped.  The Bears didn't create the flaws of Mitch or Justin, they didn't coach those things into either guy.

Isn't it fun to think Andy Reid turns Mitch Trubisky into a HOF quarterback after only 5 seasons, while the Bears flounder with the failure of yet another early round QB in Patrick Mahomes?

[WrigleyField 22]

1 hour ago, BigbadB said:

I've read that Eberflus was interviewed by the Bears before Poles was hired, and I've read that the Bears had already pretty much all but named him as their HC before Poles was hired, but normally a new GM gets to make this hire, assuming it wasn't a big name HC that can be trusted with whoever is hired as GM. 

So I did a bit of internet browsing about the strange hire of Eberflus only days after Poles was hired. Most of what I see online is that Eberflus was always going to be Poles' guy if he became a GM. They had some sort of previous history together and Poles really liked Eberflus. 

 

Anything I've seen is conjecture.

The biggest piece of evidence is that Eberflus was scheduled for a second interview before Bears had their first intervuew with Poles.  However Flus also had a second interview and was thought to be a finalist in Jacksonville, who weren't waiting on a GM search. So it's a pretty reasonable explanation that they were just getting ahead on a favorable candidate since they needed to get through GM process.

 

McCaskey was up front that their preference was to hire GM first, but he didn't rule out the other way.  Some conspiracy to cover up Flus being hired first seems wholly unnecessary to me, but 🤷.  Poles was hired first. Flus' second interview happened with Poles.  Poles talked to I think 3 other guys.  That's a lot of unnecessary work to go through if Flus was already the guy.  I think it's people seeing what they want to (and they want to bitch about Ted/George)

 

The other simpler explanation is that the alignment of coach to GM was a major plus for them and perhaps an influence, but not some mandate. Bottom line is whether Poles has to hang his hat on the hire or not, and I think he does.  They found the GM who liked the coach they liked is about the worst simple explanation. But then it's still Poles coach.

[UMFan83]

2 hours ago, BigbadB said:

I've read that Eberflus was interviewed by the Bears before Poles was hired, and I've read that the Bears had already pretty much all but named him as their HC before Poles was hired, but normally a new GM gets to make this hire, assuming it wasn't a big name HC that can be trusted with whoever is hired as GM. 

So I did a bit of internet browsing about the strange hire of Eberflus only days after Poles was hired. Most of what I see online is that Eberflus was always going to be Poles' guy if he became a GM. They had some sort of previous history together and Poles really liked Eberflus. 

 

What would be hilarious is if the Bears fell in love with Eberflus and hired Poles over other candidates partly because he was on board with/would have hired Eberflus anyways.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I used to be in the "coaches make qbs not the other way around" camp, but I think Brady/Hoodie is a pretty strong data point against it 

[Old Style]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Absopositively.

You use one on Maye then offer up the 2nd to whoever wants the other guy. 
 

not even a question 

I draft the QB I want and Marvin Harrison Jr. horsefeathers trading down again. Unless whoever is at #3 is as dumb as Pace & trades a ransom to move up one spot. Then we get extra picks AND the stud WR.

Edited September 28, 2023 by Old Style

[WrigleyField 22]

Rofl, update on my Twitter polls.

 

62% of the fanbase is apparently just gonna dig in and root against the 2023 Bears. Not sure I even try poll 4 to get it under 50%

 

 

[Rex Buckingham]

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

I draft the QB I want and Marvin Harrison Jr. horsefeathers trading down again. Unless whoever is at #3 is as dumb as Pace & trades a ransom to move up one spot. Then we get extra picks AND the stud WR.

Brock Bowers would be a pretty good target if trading down from 2 to like 5 or whatever

[UMFan83]

lol JT didn't do a free video for Fields this week but he did share this clip  "I've never seen the 'yell block' before....you see something new every time you watch these cats"

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

That is a real dumb interpretation of that video. The lineman was giving the universal sign for “this is not going to be an illegal block”. Unnecessarily I might add, since he had time and space to make an impact on the rushers trajectory, but that’s not hard to interpret. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

17 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

That is a real dumb interpretation of that video. The lineman was giving the universal sign for “this is not going to be an illegal block”. Unnecessarily I might add, since he had time and space to make an impact on the rushers trajectory, but that’s not hard to interpret. 

Nah, that was his point. JT said "give up your back, turn your hips" describing exactly what you are saying. He had time to get in position to throw a block that would have not been a block in the back. he's mocking him for not even trying

 

that being said, what would it matter since 54 was never a threat to catch JF at that point

Edited September 28, 2023 by minnesotacubsfan

[We Got The Whole 9]

That deep receiver, if he had started coming back to the ball instead of drifting slightly upfield, may have opened a nice window to throw. Was that Moore? You see your QB scrambling for his life - start running back to the ball and make a play. 

[UMFan83]

26 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

That deep receiver, if he had started coming back to the ball instead of drifting slightly upfield, may have opened a nice window to throw. Was that Moore? You see your QB scrambling for his life - start running back to the ball and make a play. 

Pretty sure it was Mooney.  You can see at the very end Moore is the closer receiver and number 11 (Mooney) was the deep guy

[We Got The Whole 9]

15 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Pretty sure it was Mooney.  You can see at the very end Moore is the closer receiver and number 11 (Mooney) was the deep guy

This is trait that all receivers should have and doubly so when your QB often leaves the box.

[gflore34]

3 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

lol JT didn't do a free video for Fields this week but he did share this clip  "I've never seen the 'yell block' before....you see something new every time you watch these cats"

 

 

Yeah, Fields and the Bears are terrible, with this take, he searching for extra negative horsefeathers, what nonsense.  They're bad enough without him making up stuff.

[We Got The Whole 9]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Pretty sure it was Mooney.  You can see at the very end Moore is the closer receiver and number 11 (Mooney) was the deep guy

Now that I see it's Moore in the foregorund you can see how dejected he looks. But Fields is looking at Mooney and expecting him to break back to the ball. Should have been a decent completion. Even without Mooney doing that, at the :7 mark Fields had an opportunity for a big pass. Just couldn't pull the damn trigger, as always. 

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Now that I see it's Moore in the foregorund you can see how dejected he looks. But Fields is looking at Mooney and expecting him to break back to the ball. Should have been a decent completion. Even without Mooney doing that, at the :7 mark Fields had an opportunity for a big pass. Just couldn't pull the damn trigger, as always. 

A pass here is begging to be intercepted. The guy is right on his hip. A perfect pass to the outside should is a possible completion, but he’s on the run. It’s not terrible to hold onto the ball.