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[minnesotacubsfan]

15 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Is there any hope some of these banged up defensive guys come back this week?

Gordon is on the IR, I think hes the one who will be gone the longest but hes eligible to come back Oct 15. Do broken hands heal in 4 weeks?

[CubinNY]

I think the real question is do they have an offense that can score points? Washington put up 35 on them and Miami put up 70. They seem to have a lot of issues. It could be a good day for Fields if they learned anything. I don't think there is much hope for the defense holding them under 21 points. 

[Brian707]

Bears should put up 27 points minimum. I don't know if that will be enough. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

36 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Bears should put up 27 points minimum. I don't know if that will be enough. 

Can the Bears even score 27 points?

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, Brian707 said:

Is there any hope some of these banged up defensive guys come back this week?

Is there any guy on this defense that matters enough to waste your hope on?

[gflore34]

13 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Is there any guy on this defense that matters enough to waste your hope on?

No, regardless of who is playing, their passive manner, just setting back letting offenses do whatever they wish,  who's in or out doesn't make a difference.

[CubinNY]

lol, their game with Washington was 35-36, this one could be 45-47, but it more likely will be a 27-14 game.

I could see the Bears slowing the game down with a lot of running plays to keep the defense off the field. 

[gflore34]

14 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

lol, their game with Washington was 35-36, this one could be 45-47, but it more likely will be a 27-14 game.

I could see the Bears slowing the game down with a lot of running plays to keep the defense off the field. 

Beyond a doubt, rather than attempt to work to Fields strengths, give him something, anything, it's going to be meathead run after meathead run.  Really, even if they manage to win I could still envision a cascade of boos if all they do is run the ball.

Edited September 26, 2023 by gflore34

[jumbo]

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Carter's character issues were made up, the only thing that was a concern was him showing up out of shape to his pro day. But if that was really an issue, why they let Davis do the same damn thing for the actual nfl season is bonkers. Not taking a generational talent at DT when your choice of defenses is the Cover 2 was ignorant. Drafting Wright was just follow through on a poor decision, it had nothing to do with why they didn't take Carter

Taking Wright is a result of punting on the 21-22 offseason (hat tip to Jersey here)

They did nothing to fix the line that offseason outside of signing the awful Lucas Patrick while letting go of Daniels

  

[jumbo]

Double post

Edited September 26, 2023 by jumbo

[WrigleyField 22]

Was curious how out this fanbase is so created a Twitter poll.  Feel free to go vote

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

 

I love how there is zero correlation between your takes and reality.  I mean, you don’t actually talk about the Bears with any other group do you? Certainly not in person, I’d hope

Yeah, there's that hysteria I was talking about.  It's just weird.

[Rex Buckingham]

15 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Was curious how out this fanbase is so created a Twitter poll.  Feel free to go vote

 

 

I mean, regardless of where Carolina's pick ends up, getting ours in the 13-14 range means we probably finish 8-6 or so, which would seemingly require Fields being awesome, so let's take that.  It's obviously insanely unlikely because this D is uncompetitive, so Fields would not only have to replicate last year's rushing performance but also give a roughly Cutler-level performance as a passer for this team to win 8 games.  

But I can't imagine a scenario where the Bears win 8 of their next 14 without Fields being amazing, so that would be the best scenario.

[UMFan83]

21 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Was curious how out this fanbase is so created a Twitter poll.  Feel free to go vote

 

 

I picked 1 and 2 without thinking but then researched 13 and 14 from last year.  That's the 7-10 Jets and 8-9 Patriots picks.  Lets be positive and say the Bears are 14.  That means they finish the year 8-6.  They couldn't possibly do that without significant improvements across the board including QB, coaching, defense, line, etc.  Very tempting.  I still feel like 1 and 2 would be better for our long term prospects but I'm sick of the Bears sucking and seeing them win 8 games this year would be better for my mental health.  On paper I'm taking 1 and 2, emotionally I'm taking 13 and 14.  I'll go with 1 and 14 with the 1 being the Panthers pick 🙂

[jersey cubs fan]

11 minutes ago, Rex Buckingham said:

I mean, regardless of where Carolina's pick ends up, getting ours in the 13-14 range means we probably finish 8-6 or so, which would seemingly require Fields being awesome, so let's take that.  It's obviously insanely unlikely because this D is uncompetitive, so Fields would not only have to replicate last year's rushing performance but also give a roughly Cutler-level performance as a passer for this team to win 8 games.  

But I can't imagine a scenario where the Bears win 8 of their next 14 without Fields being amazing, so that would be the best scenario.

Yeah, that seems like a no brainer. Finishing the year above expectations after losing 2 winnable games and an expected blowout loss means Fields is fixed. 
 

Its not going to happen, but I’d take it. 

[Rex Buckingham]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I picked 1 and 2 without thinking but then researched 13 and 14 from last year.  That's the 7-10 Jets and 8-9 Patriots picks.  Lets be positive and say the Bears are 14.  That means they finish the year 8-6.  They couldn't possibly do that without significant improvements across the board including QB, coaching, defense, line, etc.  Very tempting.  I still feel like 1 and 2 would be better for our long term prospects but I'm sick of the Bears sucking and seeing them win 8 games this year would be better for my mental health.  On paper I'm taking 1 and 2, emotionally I'm taking 13 and 14.  I'll go with 1 and 14 with the 1 being the Panthers pick 🙂

That's the real dream... Then you get a king's ransom for 1, maybe get the Houston and Arizona picks from AZ? Maybe that results in picking at 5, 10, and 14.. maybe they pick up Harrison Jr, Joe Alt, and either Dallas Turner from Alabama or Johnny Newton from Illinois and combined with FAs we look like a playoff contender to start the year...

Then we wake up and realize the team has already quit on Eberflus, Fields can't read the field and make the throws, and we have to hope we get #1 and we evaluate correctly and we can get 1 of WR/Brock Bowers/DT/EDGE/LT in the draft

[WrigleyField 22]

25 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Yeah, that seems like a no brainer. Finishing the year above expectations after losing 2 winnable games and an expected blowout loss means Fields is fixed. 
 

Its not going to happen, but I’d take it. 

Fields get hurt next week and Peterman has a 2017-Case-Keenum year. Oops. 😉

[gflore34]

In addition to all of Fields deficiencies I think cap it off with a lack of confidence, I don't believe he misses every read.  I do think he no longer has confidence in anything, when he's tried, every outcome has been bad.  It's all blown up in his face, it must be the some of the explanation for why he just holds the ball when receivers are open.   The only thing the coaches can is keep giving him the opportunity, that doesn't mean running the ball 40+ times.

Edited September 26, 2023 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

11 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Fields get hurt next week and Peterman has a 2017-Case-Keenum year. Oops. 😉

Bagent being the answer would be far more likely, and even that outcome is improbable.

[jersey cubs fan]

5 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Fields get hurt next week and Peterman has a 2017-Case-Keenum year. Oops. 😉

Even that provides some closure. If Peterman (or Lincoln Hawk’s kid) can win 8 games with this roster we know Fields is done and the rest of the roster is adequate. They have a chance to put two more blue chippers into the system while holding down QB for another season or two while drafting developmental guys every year. Eventually you get the Kyle dream scenario of fixing everything else first then adding a QB when you are ready. 
 

I just don’t have confidence in the current regime capitalizing on 1/2 in draft or the powers that be replacing that regime with the right guys. 
 

if this season ends with the bears pick in top 2, it’s still probably 60/40 Poles gets to make that pick. If they do fire him it’s probably 60/40 the new guys make the wrong decisions. 
 

Once you enter the hole of abysmal football, it is very difficult out to climb out. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, jumbo said:

Taking Wright is a result of punting on the 21-22 offseason (hat tip to Jersey here)

They did nothing to fix the line that offseason outside of signing the awful Lucas Patrick while letting go of Daniels

  

No its not entirely due to that. They had bigger holes on the D line then they did on the O line even after Poles punted his first FA period, and also likely because of him ignoring FA. They took (3) DT last draft in the later rounds, they could have just as easily taken Carter and gotten a RT in the 2nd, 3rd, etc

Edited September 26, 2023 by minnesotacubsfan

[UMFan83]

8 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Even that provides some closure. If Peterman (or Lincoln Hawk’s kid) can win 8 games with this roster we know Fields is done and the rest of the roster is adequate. They have a chance to put two more blue chippers into the system while holding down QB for another season or two while drafting developmental guys every year. Eventually you get the Kyle dream scenario of fixing everything else first then adding a QB when you are ready. 
 

I just don’t have confidence in the current regime capitalizing on 1/2 in draft or the powers that be replacing that regime with the right guys. 
 

if this season ends with the bears pick in top 2, it’s still probably 60/40 Poles gets to make that pick. If they do fire him it’s probably 60/40 the new guys make the wrong decisions. 
 

Once you enter the hole of abysmal football, it is very difficult out to climb out. 

I thought you were on the side of "you can greatly improve in 1-2 offseasons", or do you make an exception for especially talent deficient teams?  Because I feel like outside of QB and coaching thats the team's biggest problem, little or no blue chip talent on the team.  That's not something you can fix in one offseason with the draft and FA.  If you already have a couple of elite players in place and your team sucks, then its much easier to build for a quick turnaround.

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

I thought you were on the side of "you can greatly improve in 1-2 offseasons", or do you make an exception for especially talent deficient teams?  Because I feel like outside of QB and coaching thats the team's biggest problem, little or no blue chip talent on the team.  That's not something you can fix in one offseason with the draft and FA.  If you already have a couple of elite players in place and your team sucks, then its much easier to build for a quick turnaround.

I would agree, and the biggest reason I wanted Carter. He would have given them one blue chip player, even if JF failed

[WrigleyField 22]

22 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Even that provides some closure. If Peterman (or Lincoln Hawk’s kid) can win 8 games with this roster we know Fields is done and the rest of the roster is adequate. They have a chance to put two more blue chippers into the system while holding down QB for another season or two while drafting developmental guys every year. Eventually you get the Kyle dream scenario of fixing everything else first then adding a QB when you are ready. 
 

I just don’t have confidence in the current regime capitalizing on 1/2 in draft or the powers that be replacing that regime with the right guys. 
 

if this season ends with the bears pick in top 2, it’s still probably 60/40 Poles gets to make that pick. If they do fire him it’s probably 60/40 the new guys make the wrong decisions. 
 

Once you enter the hole of abysmal football, it is very difficult out to climb out. 

I agree with your btw, was just messing around on the Peterman bit.

 

Just as a reference point, Howie Roseman flipped a broken and expensive Wentz for assets at a time when everyone wanted him to blow it up. But he's (aside from one week 16 game once) always trying new stuff to win and improve. And everyone wants The Process of the other Philly team that has yielded basically nothing of significance.

[jersey cubs fan]

14 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I thought you were on the side of "you can greatly improve in 1-2 offseasons", or do you make an exception for especially talent deficient teams?  Because I feel like outside of QB and coaching thats the team's biggest problem, little or no blue chip talent on the team.  That's not something you can fix in one offseason with the draft and FA.  If you already have a couple of elite players in place and your team sucks, then it’s much easier to build for a quick turnaround.

A competent GM and head can do it in one season. Poles cannot. In part because he apparently doesn’t want to improve.