Sean Marshall traded: T Wood +prospects Sappelt &Torreys p21

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So really Wood will = like 8 cost-controlled years of mediocrity.

 

And by using those players in those spots, we can use our leftover money to sign really, really good players.

 

I said "can," though, not "will."

[SouthSideRyan]

What the heck do they see in Travis Wood to make this deal?

 

Five years of a cost-controlled, adequate starting pitcher.

 

I really, really like this deal.

 

Edit: Also I replied in this thread without actually seeing that this exact point had been debated for a full page. I feel shame.

 

You've always reminded me of Kent Tekulve in that manner.

[hardcorecubfan]

the front office is just one trade away from being put into the same category as MacPhail and Hendry.

 

Marshall was one of the few bright spots on the who pitching staff, and my daughter is pissed because she thought he was cute.

[Rob]

I'm not a huge Travis Wood fan, but 5 years of cost control of him for Marshall isn't bad, the more I think about it. I hope we get a decent prospect, but in the end, the new CBA actually hurts the value of guys like Marshall somewhat. Since there's no compensation for them anymore.

 

It's not that Wood is a horrible return. It's that Marshall is one of the most dominant relievers in the game and we find it hard to believe that the Cubs weren't able to get a better offer for him.

 

Oh, so you know the two minor leaguers? And what other teams were offering?

 

Wood for Marshall straight up is a win for us, which is cause for at least some celebration. Debating whether Theo took the best offer he could get or not is a waste of time right now.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What the heck do they see in Travis Wood to make this deal?

 

Five years of a cost-controlled, adequate starting pitcher.

 

I really, really like this deal.

 

Edit: Also I replied in this thread without actually seeing that this exact point had been debated for a full page. I feel shame.

 

You've always reminded me of Kent Tekulve in that manner.

 

GR's about to go all Jedi Knight on me.

[ScrubMD]

I know, if we were going to trade Marshall, we might as well have gotten better players.

 

Teams are getting super-stingy with their prospects. We might have been able to get some higher-ceiling low level guys, but personally I love guys who are ready to contribute with 0 or 1 years of service time. Those are highly valuable assets.

 

I was being a prick and making fun of that guy.

[RynoRules]

So really Wood will = like 8 cost-controlled years of mediocrity.

 

And by using those players in those spots, we can use our leftover money to sign really, really good players.

 

I said "can," though, not "will."

 

 

Yup - I'd much rather have Travis Wood as my 5th starter than Jeff Francis and whoever else we could pluck off the heap for the next several years at bad value.

[SouthSideRyan]

So really Wood will = like 8 cost-controlled years of mediocrity.

 

And by using those players in those spots, we can use our leftover money to sign really, really good players.

 

I said "can," though, not "will."

 

cmon, that really, really good player is 30 years old. And the other guy is short!! You know how those short guys end up

Edited December 21, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[jersey cubs fan]

I know, if we were going to trade Marshall, we might as well have gotten better players.

 

Teams are getting super-stingy with their prospects. We might have been able to get some higher-ceiling low level guys, but personally I love guys who are ready to contribute with 0 or 1 years of service time. Those are highly valuable assets.

 

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

[RynoRules]

the front office is just one trade away from being put into the same category as MacPhail and Hendry.

 

Marshall was one of the few bright spots on the who pitching staff, and my daughter is pissed because she thought he was cute.

 

 

And here we...........

 

Go.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

 

Tyler Colvin always sucked outside of the brief 2010 that fooled us. It's not hard to look back in hindsight and see what a fluke that was.

[SouthSideRyan]

the front office is just one trade away from being put into the same category as MacPhail and Hendry.

 

Marshall was one of the few bright spots on the who pitching staff, and my daughter is pissed because she thought he was cute.

 

 

And here we...........

 

Go.

 

Cindy Lou is furious.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

 

The idea is that you spend around it. You put up with Darwin Barney and Travis Wood so that you can afford Prince Fielder and Yu Darvish.

 

In theory, anyway.

[imb]

lol, if you do that thing where you add his steals to his TB, his slugging last year jumps from .360 way the hell up to .548

 

and yes, in counting his CS his OBP drops from .340 to .307 in this admittedly useless exercise

 

im not into billy hamilton at all

you should; with all these groan-worthy dumb ass comparisons being lazily thrown around, he actually profiles really well to be another Dee Gordon (if you like that kind of thing [i do])

 

lol when i was looking at his BBR page, i was looking at his walks and thinking they were his steals totals. something about a 53/20 ratio of sb/cs wasnt catching my eye.

[jersey cubs fan]

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

 

The idea is that you spend around it. You put up with Darwin Barney and Travis Wood so that you can afford Prince Fielder and Yu Darvish.

 

In theory, anyway.

 

So the better term is that they are useful. Their value can vary by quite a wide margin.

[SouthSideRyan]

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

 

The idea is that you spend around it. You put up with Darwin Barney and Travis Wood so that you can afford Prince Fielder and Yu Darvish.

 

In theory, anyway.

 

In theory, communism works. In theory.

[Rob]

I know, if we were going to trade Marshall, we might as well have gotten better players.

 

Teams are getting super-stingy with their prospects. We might have been able to get some higher-ceiling low level guys, but personally I love guys who are ready to contribute with 0 or 1 years of service time. Those are highly valuable assets.

 

They may be valuable but there's a good chance they aren't highly valuable. Ready to contribute guys can just be people like Colvin who aren't going to get any better. If you emphasize just getting guys who are ready that's a good way to lock-in very mediocre seasons.

 

A league average 2 WAR player making 400k a year just saved 9 million dollars over what comparable production would cost on the FA market.

 

Young, cost-controlled guys are super valuable for the financial flexibility they offer your team. The trick though is actually finding a place to spend that 9 mil.

 

ETA:

 

Kyle took care of it. Nevermind.

Edited December 21, 2011 by Rob

[ScrubMD]

the front office is just one trade away from being put into the same category as MacPhail and Hendry.

 

Marshall was one of the few bright spots on the who pitching staff, and my daughter is pissed because she thought he was cute.

 

 

And here we...........

 

Go.

 

Cindy Lou is furious.

 

I was trying to think of a way to incorporate that. I need to start going to my improv class again.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So the better term is that they are useful. Their value can vary by quite a wide margin.

 

Semantics. Their value is that you don't have to waste $5 million on some veteran not-terrible player to do the same work.

[jersey cubs fan]

A league average 2 WAR player making 400k a year just saved 9 million dollars over what comparable production would cost on the FA market.

 

Young, cost-controlled guys are super valuable for the financial flexibility they offer your team. The trick though is actually finding a place to spend that 9 mil.

 

ETA:

 

Kyle took care of it. Nevermind.

 

The trick is making sure the "ready" cost-controlled guy is actually good and spending the rest of the money wisely. Cost-controlled, in and of itself, has very little value.

[davell]

For what it's worth, Keith Law likes the trade for the Cubs. Based on who he thinks the 2 prospects are.

[SouthSideRyan]

So the better term is that they are useful. Their value can vary by quite a wide margin.

 

Semantics. Their value is that you don't have to waste $5 million on some veteran not-terrible player to do the same work.

 

The value on that 5M not terrible player is having a much better idea what they're bringing. For next year's 68 win extravaganza who gives a [expletive] about being certain what Wood's doing for us. But down the road, yeah I'd like to be confident that this guy is going to matter at all rather than be non-tendered when he reaches Arb 2.

[SouthSideRyan]

For what it's worth, Keith Law likes the trade for the Cubs. Based on who he thinks the 2 prospects are.

 

Like we need 2 more Juan Pierres

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So the better term is that they are useful. Their value can vary by quite a wide margin.

 

Semantics. Their value is that you don't have to waste $5 million on some veteran not-terrible player to do the same work.

 

The value on that 5M not terrible player is having a much better idea what they're bringing. For next year's 68 win extravaganza who gives a [expletive] about being certain what Wood's doing for us. But down the road, yeah I'd like to be confident that this guy is going to matter at all rather than be non-tendered when he reaches Arb 2.

 

I think that's a bad way of looking at it. Properly adjusted AAA stats are just as predictive as MLB stats.

[ctcf]

Has that insider guy on the other forum said anything?