Pie traded to Baltimore for Olson and minor leaguer

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Did we get more for Pie than we got for DeRosa?

[Rob]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

[NCCubFan]

whats olsen throw??

 

A baseball.

 

Bastard.

Better than throwing towels. :D

[rawaction]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

 

Your saying "I wouldn't have minded this trade so much" led me to believe you hated the trade. When in reality, you hated that the trade had to be made in the first place. Which are 2 different things. Also, I wouldn't blame Piniella. Hendry is the one who kept getting him crutches in case Pie didn't kill the ball. Lou went to those crutches after 2 games, but Hendry put them there in the first place.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Did we get more for Pie than we got for DeRosa?

 

If we dont end up flipping a few of these guys to San Diego for Peavy, we'll have gotten a steaming bowl of nothing for the both of them. I just hope that Pie doesnt end up being more productive than the 3 headed monster of Fukudome/Johnson/Gathright.

[cubsfan26]

If we dont end up flipping a few of these guys to San Diego for Peavy, we'll have gotten a steaming bowl of nothing for the both of them

 

 

 

If Olson, Stevens, and Archer(I hear alot of scouts like him) are a steaming bowl of nothing, then why would the Padres want those guys? Even if we don't make a Peavy deal, these guys are pieces we can use in trades during the season. Personally I think when it's all said and done, Vitters, Olson, Cedeno, Stevens or Atkins, Hart and Archer will be going to the Padres for Peavy. If were able to afford Peavy, the only hang up in trade talks I can see being is the Padres wanting Marshall instead of Stevens or Atkins. Or the Padres wanting the Cubs to add another quality postion player prospect in the deal(maybe Castillo). But Hendry/Towers already have had advance talks, and both know what it will take to get a deal done. So if the salary issue is no longer in the way, I think they can get something done.

[Little Slide Rooter]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

[KingCubsFan]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

Bradley and Pie play two totally different positions, though. Bradley is a direct result of Fukudome

[illiniguy]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

I imagine they will be building around Matt Weiters as well.

[Backtobanks]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

 

Your saying "I wouldn't have minded this trade so much" led me to believe you hated the trade. When in reality, you hated that the trade had to be made in the first place. Which are 2 different things. Also, I wouldn't blame Piniella. Hendry is the one who kept getting him crutches in case Pie didn't kill the ball. Lou went to those crutches after 2 games, but Hendry put them there in the first place.

 

Here we go again, don't blame Lou....blame Hendry. I've posted often that one weakness of Hendry is that he lets the manager dictate to him instead of vice versa and he doesn't interfere with the manager's on-field decisions. Hendry has a long track record of pushing for youth and allowing them to play, while Lou is great with young players who produce immediately. If they don't produce immediately they are sent down or replaced with veterans that Lou has asked for. Pie's lack of playing time can be blamed on many things (lack of success, contending team, Lou's reluctance to use him, etc.), but not on Hendry or the fact that Hendry tried to obtain depth in CF (Johnson, Edmonds, etc.).

[sneakypower]

:bye:

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

 

Your saying "I wouldn't have minded this trade so much" led me to believe you hated the trade. When in reality, you hated that the trade had to be made in the first place. Which are 2 different things. Also, I wouldn't blame Piniella. Hendry is the one who kept getting him crutches in case Pie didn't kill the ball. Lou went to those crutches after 2 games, but Hendry put them there in the first place.

 

Here we go again, don't blame Lou....blame Hendry. I've posted often that one weakness of Hendry is that he lets the manager dictate to him instead of vice versa and he doesn't interfere with the manager's on-field decisions. Hendry has a long track record of pushing for youth and allowing them to play, while Lou is great with young players who produce immediately. If they don't produce immediately they are sent down or replaced with veterans that Lou has asked for. Pie's lack of playing time can be blamed on many things (lack of success, contending team, Lou's reluctance to use him, etc.), but not on Hendry or the fact that Hendry tried to obtain depth in CF (Johnson, Edmonds, etc.).

 

While I do agree that Pie was never given the right opportunity, and was sent down quickly, we also have to understand that this team, Lou and Hendry are under a lot of of pressure to win now, especially when we dont know what the new ownership is going to bring, and Felix was just not producing, so the options were to

 

A. keep him in there, as part of a platoon, and if he doesnt produce, he doesnt produce

B. leave him on the bench and let him rot, keeping him as a pinch runner, and mayeb an at bat once a week

C. send him down to Iowa.

 

At least with Baltimore, they're in a constant building process, and will be more patient with him, as the majority of that team will be growing together.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just out of curiosity, how high did Olson rank amongst Baltimores prospects? I know he was a late 1st round pick, but was he ever considered a top prospect? His numbers seem pretty average at every level hes played for, and aside from the fact that hes a lefty, Im not quite sure why the Pads were so high on him.

[BigbadB]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

 

Your saying "I wouldn't have minded this trade so much" led me to believe you hated the trade. When in reality, you hated that the trade had to be made in the first place. Which are 2 different things. Also, I wouldn't blame Piniella. Hendry is the one who kept getting him crutches in case Pie didn't kill the ball. Lou went to those crutches after 2 games, but Hendry put them there in the first place.

 

Here we go again, don't blame Lou....blame Hendry. I've posted often that one weakness of Hendry is that he lets the manager dictate to him instead of vice versa and he doesn't interfere with the manager's on-field decisions. Hendry has a long track record of pushing for youth and allowing them to play, while Lou is great with young players who produce immediately. If they don't produce immediately they are sent down or replaced with veterans that Lou has asked for. Pie's lack of playing time can be blamed on many things (lack of success, contending team, Lou's reluctance to use him, etc.), but not on Hendry or the fact that Hendry tried to obtain depth in CF (Johnson, Edmonds, etc.).

 

While I do agree that Pie was never given the right opportunity, and was sent down quickly, we also have to understand that this team, Lou and Hendry are under a lot of of pressure to win now, especially when we dont know what the new ownership is going to bring, and Felix was just not producing, so the options were to

 

A. keep him in there, as part of a platoon, and if he doesnt produce, he doesnt produce

B. leave him on the bench and let him rot, keeping him as a pinch runner, and mayeb an at bat once a week

C. send him down to Iowa.

 

At least with Baltimore, they're in a constant building process, and will be more patient with him, as the majority of that team will be growing together.

 

Actually, C was not an option since he was out of options. He would have been picked up off waivers pretty quickly.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Pie had ever gotten a real shot and fell on his face, I wouldn't mind this trade so much.

 

As is, I'm pretty pissed at Lou.

 

Even without assuming a Peavy trade, this makes the Cubs better. They got probably as much value out of Pie as they possibly could have.

 

Now, you're probably right. But if Lou had given Pie a real shot last year, maybe we're pretty happy with our OF and don't need to sign Bradley. Maybe his 10mil goes better elsewhere.

 

Lou bungled the situation and refused to ever give Pie a shot. Hendry did the best he could with that... I'll grant him this is about as good a trade as we were gonna get at this point.

 

Your saying "I wouldn't have minded this trade so much" led me to believe you hated the trade. When in reality, you hated that the trade had to be made in the first place. Which are 2 different things. Also, I wouldn't blame Piniella. Hendry is the one who kept getting him crutches in case Pie didn't kill the ball. Lou went to those crutches after 2 games, but Hendry put them there in the first place.

 

Here we go again, don't blame Lou....blame Hendry. I've posted often that one weakness of Hendry is that he lets the manager dictate to him instead of vice versa and he doesn't interfere with the manager's on-field decisions. Hendry has a long track record of pushing for youth and allowing them to play, while Lou is great with young players who produce immediately. If they don't produce immediately they are sent down or replaced with veterans that Lou has asked for. Pie's lack of playing time can be blamed on many things (lack of success, contending team, Lou's reluctance to use him, etc.), but not on Hendry or the fact that Hendry tried to obtain depth in CF (Johnson, Edmonds, etc.).

 

While I do agree that Pie was never given the right opportunity, and was sent down quickly, we also have to understand that this team, Lou and Hendry are under a lot of of pressure to win now, especially when we dont know what the new ownership is going to bring, and Felix was just not producing, so the options were to

 

A. keep him in there, as part of a platoon, and if he doesnt produce, he doesnt produce

B. leave him on the bench and let him rot, keeping him as a pinch runner, and mayeb an at bat once a week

C. send him down to Iowa.

 

At least with Baltimore, they're in a constant building process, and will be more patient with him, as the majority of that team will be growing together.

 

Actually, C was not an option since he was out of options. He would have been picked up off waivers pretty quickly.

 

I was more refering to his treatment last season.

[dew1679666265]

Just out of curiosity, how high did Olson rank amongst Baltimores prospects? I know he was a late 1st round pick, but was he ever considered a top prospect? His numbers seem pretty average at every level hes played for, and aside from the fact that hes a lefty, Im not quite sure why the Pads were so high on him.

 

Ping mentioned a page ago that he was sixth in both '07 and '06. The Oriole farm system was below average both those years, according to Ping.

[BDWeav71]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

[DiamondMind]

I'd be shocked if Pie puts up better numbers than Reed Johnson this year or next.

[DiamondMind]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

 

How many dingers did the Rays' OF hit last year? They were considered a fairly successful OF right?

[haubrich91]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

 

Probably all from Markakis.

[dew1679666265]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

 

Probably all from Markakis.

 

He hit 20 last year, Jones hit 9 and Pie hit 1.

[UK1679666180]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

 

How many dingers did the Rays' OF hit last year? They were considered a fairly successful OF right?

 

The Rays OF was below avg. last year more b/c of health rather than talent, Crawford will never be a power hitter but with his injuries as well as Upton's wrist injury which seemed to heal come post-season. Gross, Hinske, etc. in RF was below avg. as well.

[BigbadB]

The Rays got 55 HR's from their outfielders last year, and another 24 from their DH.

[SouthSideRyan]

Markakis alone can hit 30. Pie and Jones aren't power hitters, but they're not Jason Tyner.

 

And the Cubs were up about 48 games on the Brewers last year, there was no reason Pie couldn't have stayed in CF and the 8 hole for 130 games last year. Granted, I would have missed out on my manlove for Jim Edmonds, but it was a really dumb decision and pretty typical for the Cubs.

[BDWeav71]

With Pie, Jones, and Markakis, that could be a very nice young outfield they have over there in Baltimore. Too bad the rest of that teams miserable besides Roberts and maybe Huff. Maybe they'll be smart enough to build around these guys.

 

 

Man that outfield really lacks power, though. They may end up with less than 30 HR's total between the 3.

 

How many dingers did the Rays' OF hit last year? They were considered a fairly successful OF right?

 

Sure, they could be successful. Still doesn't take away from the fact that they really lack power.