Bears Week 13 at Lions on Thanksgiving morning, 11:30 on CBS

[Wilson A2000]

3 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So from the press conferences, it was indeed a designed QB run on the second to last play (I hate that call) and Borom didn't hear the snap count and thus didn't slow down his man at all.

The offensive players all assumed a timeout was coming, hence not hustling to the line at fi st

Then the coaching staff wanted to re run the same play, Williams overruled it and tried to audible, which is why there was confusion at the line 

 

Caleb has to have a better grasp on the clock too. With the game clock running, you have get the play off sooner if you are going to audible. Is it true that the Bears won’t let Caleb call timeouts?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, Wilson A2000 said:

Caleb has to have a better grasp on the clock too. With the game clock running, you have get the play off sooner if you are going to audible. Is it true that the Bears won’t let Caleb call timeouts?

He called one earlier in the drive 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

He called one earlier in the drive 

He referred to that in his press conference, but made it sound like at the very end of the game he doesn't have that option. 

[Tryptamine]

Here's the press conference

 

[jersey cubs fan]

22 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

If we think he was allowed to fire Eberflus last offseason

I’m not a fan of the “but maybe he wasn’t allowed to make the decision he wanted to make” built in excuses that are given to every bears gm and head coach. Poles is the gm. He hired Eberflus. He chose to tank. He lost on purpose and then kept the head coach and now it’s blowing up in his face. This is his team and his coach. Full stop 

Edited November 29, 2024 by jersey cubs fan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If you have to have a meeting about whether to fire your coach because you're worried about the locker room, you already have your answer on what you should do.

[Wilson A2000]

11 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I’m not a fan of the “but maybe he wasn’t allowed to make the decision he wanted to make” built in excuses that are given to every bears gm and head coach. Poles is the gm. He hired Eberflus. He chose to tank. He lost of purposes and then kept the head coach and now it’s blowing up in his face. This is his team and his coach. Full stop 

Poles has plenty of blame and I wouldn’t mind seeing him go too, but we can still admit that he wasn’t given full reign of football ops from the beginning. He was given 3 coaches to choose from. Has every Bears GM not wanted to fire their coach midseason or does that come from ownership? It’s clearly ownership. They meddle. 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Wilson A2000

[jersey cubs fan]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I can’t say full stop. Poles has plenty of blame and I wouldn’t mind seeing him go too, but we can still admit that he wasn’t given full reign of football ops from the beginning. He was given 3 coaches to choose from. Has every Bears GM not wanted to fire their coach midseason or does that come from ownership? It’s clearly ownership. They meddle. 

He could have moved on last offseason. He chose not to

[Wilson A2000]

8 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

He could have moved on last offseason. He chose not to

And that’s one reason why I wouldn’t mind seeing him fired. I always wanted Harbaugh, but the McCaskeys didn’t. 

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

And that’s one reason why I wouldn’t mind seeing him fired. I always wanted Harbaugh, but the McCaskeys didn’t. 

Harbaugh wouldn’t have come to Chicago anyways. The word from Michigan sources is his wife really wanted to return to California and that was a driver in his decision to return to the NFL. But I do agree that the McCaskeys would never hire him

[UMFan83]

Some smoke?

 

[Soul]

57 minutes ago, muntjack said:

He was the consensus #1 pick? 

Meh, I’ve seen too many teams, especially the Bears, deviate from consensus to not give Poles credit for the decision to select Williams.

[Wilson A2000]

“Whatever that situation is, that’s going to be coach’s call,” Williams said. “Maybe in the later years of my career, but right now, I get the call, I’m trying to lead the guys to win and I’m trying to get everybody lined up. And from there, I’m trying to make a play for the Chicago Bears.”

Is Caleb talking about not wanting to take a TO or the play call? He audibled out of the call, so clearly he’s given reign to do that. But if you are going to audible out, you have to have a quick play ready to go.

[UMFan83]

There’s a world out there where Eberflus is 4-1 against the Lions as head coach

2022 home: bears blow a 24-10 lead with 12 mins left in the game and lose 31-30 on a missed XP.  This was the first of Eberflus’ infamous 85%+ win probability loss games

2022 road: lose 41-10

2023 road: bears blow a 26-14 lead with 3 minutes left to lose 31-26

2023 home: actually win 28-13

2024 road: todays debacle

All of these games are after the Lions started playing like world beaters. We’ve actually played them extremely well but Eberflus has completely botched 3 of them

[BigSlick]

I’m really hoping they just fire Eberflus tomorrow.

in other news, Caleb Williams season QBR has improved to 50.5, which moves him to above average for NFL QBs 

[Irrelevant Dude]

3 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I can't stand people who refuse to acknowledge when they horsefeathers up. You say you horsefeathered up and you'll do better, but even refusing that you did anything wrong is why he's a complete failure as a head coach. 

This is it.  If you don't acknowledge your mistakes, you will never improve.  And he doubles down on every single mistake he makes.

[Soul]

42 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

This is it.  If you don't acknowledge your mistakes, you will never improve.  And he doubles down on every single mistake he makes.

And now he’s so far down that road it doesn’t matter if he starts acknowledging mistakes.  It’s just too late.  The time to learn has passed.

[WrigleyField 22]

Hey, late to the the thread.

 

Lol boars 

[Outshined_One]

Good news everyone, Eberflus said everything was handled the right way.

I feel like the man can't be trusted to perform simple tasks like opening jars or cutting out coupons.

[Irrelevant Dude]

31 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

I feel like the man can't be trusted to perform simple tasks like opening jars 

"I opened the jar perfectly and would do it the same way again."

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, Outshined_One said:

Good news everyone, Eberflus said everything was handled the right way.

I feel like the man can't be trusted to perform simple tasks like opening jars or cutting out coupons.

I was floored when I heard him say that. It’s complete insult to our intelligence to that what we saw out there was handled correctly. Especially with Caleb saying he ended up changing the play call after he received it. Doesn’t sound like something that was happened the right way. 

Based on what I’m reading, they wanted to run a similar play as the one they called before, just with people blocking this time, a QB draw. They were at about 58 yard FG distance at that point so while it’s possible Caleb breaks off a decent chunk (keeping in mind the most he can run is maybe 10 yards given the time constraints), you’re probably looking at a 3-5 yard gain.  So this great plan Eberflus cooked up was having Santos try a 53-55 yard FG, close to his career long. 

So Caleb was right to change out of the play ASAP but not sure Caleb made the right decision to take a full drop back and throw the ball short of the end zone. Should have been looking for a 8-10 yard pass and a quick timeout. 

[Outshined_One]

38 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

"I opened the jar perfectly and would do it the same way again."

WHAT THE horsefeathers IS WRONG WITH HIS FINGERS

[CubColtPacer]

From an outsider's perspective:

Kyle is right that the ideal clock move is to not call the timeout and run the play.....if you trust your QB and your team's execution in an incredibly stressful situation.

Kyle is wrong in this specific case because you shouldn't trust a rookie QB to be able to handle that situation correctly.  I would rather trust my kick team to run on quickly than my offense to recover from the sack and not do something dumb in that situation.

And as far as Caleb goes, you simply can't audible out of the play in that situation.  It doesn't matter what you think of the call or how dumb it was, you have to run the play because audibling increases your risk of what happened today by a ton.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

None of this becomes a problem if Cole Kmet doesn't run the exact same pick he got called on earlier in the game, or if our veteran swing tackle knew the snap count.  

Those kinds of things point to a deeper culture problem that speaks more poorly of the coaches than late game strategy, imo 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ok, he calls the timeout immediately with 31 seconds left after the sack

They set up a play call they like and get the kick unit ready for a scramble drill kick 

The play takes 3-5 seconds and the offense rushes off the field, the place kicking team rushes out, but something goes wrong as they try to get set.  A procedure penalty causes a runoff to end, the blocking scheme gets screwed up and yet another kick gets blocked, or maybe Santos just misses it.

Would people *really* be saying Eberflus made the right call by calling the timeout earlier and putting all the pressure on the place kicking unit?