Bears Week 13 at Lions on Thanksgiving morning, 11:30 on CBS

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

from that point until there were maybe 15 seconds left, YES THAT WAS THE TIME TO CALL A TO

No chance. There's no universe where calling your last timeout facing 3rd and 27 and needing yards to get into field goal range is the right call.  Zero.   You take away everything in the middle of the field on a must-gain play.

[UMFan83]

I’m still hopelessly confused at what just happened? This goes beyond normal botching of game situations. It defies all logic. It’s beyond comprehension

[Derwood]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Then you're just wrong.

Things that you can blame on coaching in the closing minute:

1) Kmet running the exact same pick that got him called before
2) Whatever that weird QB draw where nobody blocked was
3) The offense being slow to get back to the line
4) The receivers making adjustments so we can't snap with 10 seconds left

But calling the timeout at any point between 36 seconds and that play being snapped was objectively the wrong call.

But all of those things did happen, and you have a timeout.

You are really dying on this hill?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

But calling the timeout at any point between 36 seconds and that play being snapped was objectively the wrong call.

Haha, what?

[soccer10k]

I’d call the timeout immediately. Get your best play that can pick up 10 yards so you’re in FG range. You should have enough time to run the FG team out there if you can’t get out of bounds.

[SpongeWorthy]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

No chance. There's no universe where calling your last timeout facing 3rd and 27 and needing yards to get into field goal range is the right call.  Zero.   You take away everything in the middle of the field on a must-gain play.

you can absolutely get an inbounds (if necessary) quick hitter for a short gain to put yourself in realistic field goal range and still have enough time to fire drill your kick team out there especially if you have a timeout to talk it over

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

I’m still hopelessly confused at what just happened? This goes beyond normal botching of game situations. It defies all logic. It’s beyond comprehension

The correct play was to get to the line quickly, snap with about 12 seconds left, throw it over the middle, call your timeout, kick the field goal.

They were slow to get to the line, then some of the receivers started futzing around at the line with something so they weren't set and they couldn't snap, the resulting confusion let the clock run from 12 to like 7 or 8, so Williams had to panic throw toward the end zone and time ran out.

[Rex Buckingham]

Did Borom just never get off on the last sack?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 minutes ago, Derwood said:

But all of those things did happen, and you have a timeout.

You are really dying on this hill?

Yes. I will die on the hill of being correct.

[Wilson A2000]

I’ve never seen a coach get crushed like this on social media. He deserves all of it. 

[Soul]

You simply cannot see zeros on the clock and 1 in the TO column.  Just can’t end that way.  And Eberflus is ultimately in control of that.  Yeah Caleb can do better but he’s not the final authority.

Thrilled with how Caleb responded to real adversity in the 2nd half.

[We Got The Whole 9]

3 of the most egregious losses I've ever seen watching 35 years of football happened in the last 5 weeks 

[Soul]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yes. I will die on the hill of being correct.

I’d like to see notkyle make a return.

[UMFan83]

10 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

When do you want him calling that timeout?  With 10 seconds left after they've already wasted 21 seconds?  Then when they throw an incomplete pass and Santos can't hit from 55 or whatever it was, you'd say "Well, eberflus made the right call on that timeout"?

There are no great options in that situation but the option they took which is running the clock down to 3 seconds and then throwing a pass down the middle short of the end zone is the worst possible one. Calling a time out is not great at all for the reasons you’ve mentioned but giving them a chance to take a breath and draw something up is better than a frazzled Caleb processing everything on the fly

[Derwood]

4 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yes. I will die on the hill of being correct.

Your hypothetical world where the WR's AREN'T preventing the ball from being snapped is fantasy, so you've yet to say what the "correct" thing to do would be given what was ACTUALLY happening on the field

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

There are no great options in that situation but the option they took which is running the clock down to 3 seconds and then throwing a pass down the middle short of the end zone is the worst possible one. Calling a time out is not great at all for the reasons you’ve mentioned but giving them a chance to take a breath and draw something up is better than a frazzled Caleb processing everything on the fly

Which comes back to: when?  You want him to see his team at the line with 11 seconds left and instantly know they're going to take another 3 seconds to get the snap off and call his timeout then?  If that had happened, you would have said "Wow that's the right call by Eberflus"?

 

[SpongeWorthy]

https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1862241869872148727

check borom's draftkings activity 

[MidoreX]

Time for an eberFLUSH

Caleb's a rookie and could've maybe handled the last 30 seconds better, but the entire game was a showing of why our coach is a laughing stock

[UMFan83]

Like in a 2 minute drill do the Bears not seriously have a default quick pass play call drilled into them and at the ready? Should Caleb have even needed a play call to be called in?  That’s where a lot of the time was wasted as it seems like Caleb was trying to understand the play call. 

Just run a quick 8 yard out play or something. Anything at all that gains you 7+ yards probably puts you in FG range. In a 2 minute drill I don’t know how Caleb doesn’t have those plays immediately ready 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

Like in a 2 minute drill do the Bears not seriously have a default quick pass play call drilled into them and at the ready? Should Caleb have even needed a play call to be called in?  That’s where a lot of the time was wasted as it seems like Caleb was trying to understand the play call. 

Just run a quick 8 yard out play or something. Anything at all that gains you 7+ yards probably puts you in FG range. In a 2 minute drill I don’t know how Caleb doesn’t have those plays immediately ready 

These are very good questions.  Going from 36 seconds to 8 seconds before snapping the ball in that situation is criminally poor execution. You can 100% blame coaching for that.

[UMFan83]

11 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Which comes back to: when?  You want him to see his team at the line with 11 seconds left and instantly know they're going to take another 3 seconds to get the snap off and call his timeout then?  If that had happened, you would have said "Wow that's the right call by Eberflus"?

 

 If they were going to call a TO it would have been around 18 seconds when Caleb is frantically waving his hands around trying to get the play call. Once you get to 10 seconds or whatever you just have to run a quick out and hope there’s time left.  But even if they do get down to 6 seconds yes a TO is still a better call. Caleb clearly couldn’t process the situation correctly. Call a TO, run an out play hoping there’s time left afterwards to take a shot at the end zone. Literally anything is better than what happened. 

Edited November 28, 2024 by UMFan83

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

wtf are you talking about? If they were going to call a TO it would have been around 18 seconds when Caleb is frantically waving his hands around trying to get the play call. Once you get to 10 seconds or whatever you just have to run a quick out and hope there’s time left.  But even if they do get down to 6 seconds yes a TO is still a better call. Caleb clearly couldn’t process the situation correctly. Call a TO, run an out play hoping there’s time left afterwards to take a shot at the end zone. Literally anything is better than what happened. 

So you want him to call his last timeout with 18 seconds left facing 3rd and 27 and needing 10+ yards to be in comfortable field goal range.  So now a must-gain play for a field goal is 100% strictly sideline only?

If that had happened, you'd be saying "well, Eberflus managed the clock correctly"?

[Wilson A2000]

7 minutes ago, MidoreX said:

Time for an eberFLUSH

Caleb's a rookie and could've maybe handled the last 30 seconds better, but the entire game was a showing of why our coach is a laughing stock

Pretty much all of Eberflus’ tenure has him as the laughingstock 

[MidoreX]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Pretty much all of Eberflus’ tenure has him as the laughingstock 

Not wrong, didn't mean to imply this was a revelation 

[UMFan83]

5 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So you want him to call his last timeout with 18 seconds left facing 3rd and 27 and needing 10+ yards to be in comfortable field goal range.  So now a must-gain play for a field goal is 100% strictly sideline only?

If that had happened, you'd be saying "well, Eberflus managed the clock correctly"?

You can absolutely pick holes in any suggested option for what to do differently. Like I said there are no optimal suggestions here. But what played out was the clear worst possible outcome. 

also different conversation but it would have been nice if the Bears didn’t burn that second TO to prevent a delay of game (I think that’s what happened right?)