Bears Week 13 at Lions on Thanksgiving morning, 11:30 on CBS

[gflore34]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So now that that's done we can talk about the long term vision for the Bears, which I think is interesting.

The immediate needs for next off-season are safety, edge and iOL, and I would strongly prefer to fill those in free agency and let our draft picks take a longer-term outlook.

What long-term vision do I want? To give Caleb Williams every single tool he could possibly need to be the most productive offensive player in the league.

My dream scenario would be that we stumble to a top-10 pick and there's a franchise LT sitting there, although I don't think this draft is well regarded at tackle.  You can move Jones to guard, keep him as a swing tackle, or just wish him well.  

If that doesn't happen, there's a chance we are picking in that sweet spot to take the best iOL in the draft.

I would also be fine taking other parts on offense, probably in the second round but maybe even with a mid first.  Wr? Why not, Keenan Allen is decrepit and Moore is not far behind.   TE?  I would love a strong blocking technique TE to pair with Kmet, who is a great receiving TE but a consistent liability in blocking.

God help me, I wouldn't even hate a RB.  Swift is a nice long down back and big play merchant, but it would be really nice to get Williams to 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 12 more often, and Roschon Johnson is not the answer.

Maybe, look a kicker with a big leg late in the draft, Santos is reliable and accurate but, only at short distances.  Need that kicker who routinely nails FG from 50+ yards out like every other team seems to possess.

[SpongeWorthy]

6 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So now that that's done we can talk about the long term vision for the Bears, which I think is interesting.

The immediate needs for next off-season are safety, edge and iOL, and I would strongly prefer to fill those in free agency and let our draft picks take a longer-term outlook.

What long-term vision do I want? To give Caleb Williams every single tool he could possibly need to be the most productive offensive player in the league.

My dream scenario would be that we stumble to a top-10 pick and there's a franchise LT sitting there, although I don't think this draft is well regarded at tackle.  You can move Jones to guard, keep him as a swing tackle, or just wish him well.  

If that doesn't happen, there's a chance we are picking in that sweet spot to take the best iOL in the draft.

I would also be fine taking other parts on offense, probably in the second round but maybe even with a mid first.  Wr? Why not, Keenan Allen is decrepit and Moore is not far behind.   TE?  I would love a strong blocking technique TE to pair with Kmet, who is a great receiving TE but a consistent liability in blocking.

God help me, I wouldn't even hate a RB.  Swift is a nice long down back and big play merchant, but it would be really nice to get Williams to 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 12 more often, and Roschon Johnson is not the answer.

from what i've read the tackle class is deep but probably not a pro bowl stud at the top and the IOL is pretty thin but i still want to go tackle 

if we lose out, we might be in a position to trade down a little and pick up campbell or banks at tackle. if we win a couple games we'll probably be comfortable staying put and taking one of those guys.

 

[UMFan83]

6 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

the jobs that are definitely going to be open:

raiders

saints

jets

giants

jaguars

cowboys

bears

you figure cam ward and shadeur are going to end up on the raiders and giants and neither will be nearly as highly regarded as caleb. we shouldn't lose a beauty contest to anyone here right?

Concerns about leadership/ownership would be the biggest negative for the bears. We kind of seem like a horsefeathers show of an organization and haven’t been a relevant team since 2012. Having a great looking 2nd year QB and other pieces in place may be enough to override the negatives though. 

[UMFan83]

8 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Maybe, look a kicker with a big leg late in the draft, Santos is reliable and accurate but, only at short distances.  Need that kicker who routinely nails FG from 50+ yards out like every other team seems to possess.

Just not in the 4th round please 

[gflore34]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

Concerns about leadership/ownership would be the biggest negative for the bears. We kind of seem like a horsefeathers show of an organization and haven’t been a relevant team since 2012. Having a great looking 2nd year QB and other pieces in place may be enough to override the negatives though. 

I'm probably wrong but, I think leadership may have improved under Poles, I truly believe he convinced McCaskey Eberflus had to go.  Eberflus being allowed to do his Zoom call was enough evidence to me that, were it up to McCaskey, he was going to be allowed to finish the season.  Poles thought otherwise.

Edited November 29, 2024 by gflore34

[Tryptamine]

For me these are the biggest needs. Edge>OT>run stopping DL>safety>OL depth

[PackLandVA]

2 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Fwiw Brown had head coaching interviews with Houston in 2023 and Tennessee in 2024 so his name isn’t coming out of nowhere, though I get the feeling that at least 1 was Rooney Rule. 

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Seems kind of odd/random. What makes you think this?

[SouthSideRyan]

2 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

I think Stefanski might be my preferred guy. Saw something where the Browns have had a 300 yard passer every game the last 2 years that Watson didn't start, except the game they started Jeff Driskel with a playoff spot locked up already

Winston threw for 219 last week and 235 2 weeks prior to that. Non Watson/Driskel QBs threw for less than 300 in 6 out of 10 games last year. I don't know if the stat is supposed to include the 2022 season, but needless to say Jacoby Brisset did not throw for 300 yards in all 11 starts he had that year.

[UMFan83]

7 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

Seems kind of odd/random. What makes you think this?

If I recall correctly the Titans were reportedly ready to hire Brian Callahan to the point where some outlets were reporting it and Brown’s interview came after that was starting to leak. I could be wrong and mixing it up with another hire though, and if so I apologize for implying that race was a factor in his candidacy. . 

[PackLandVA]

6 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

If I recall correctly the Titans were reportedly ready to hire Brian Callahan to the point where some outlets were reporting it and Brown’s interview came after that was starting to leak. I could be wrong and mixing it up with another hire though, and if so I apologize for implying that race was a factor in his candidacy. . 

Titans requested virtual interviews from (at least) Aaron Glenn and Antonio Pierce. Also, their GM is Ran Carthon, so it seems odd he would only interview a minority because it's mandated.

[Rex Buckingham]

1 hour ago, SouthSideRyan said:

Winston threw for 219 last week and 235 2 weeks prior to that. Non Watson/Driskel QBs threw for less than 300 in 6 out of 10 games last year. I don't know if the stat is supposed to include the 2022 season, but needless to say Jacoby Brisset did not throw for 300 yards in all 11 starts he had that year.

Apparently that video was chock-full of bad information

[minnesotacubsfan]

idk what else to say different than everything that has been said other than this: horsefeathers the bears and their revoving door at leadership. figure it out already

 

 

also,, thats a lot of "thans"

 

 

[Old Style]

4 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

Concerns about leadership/ownership would be the biggest negative for the bears. We kind of seem like a horsefeathers show of an organization and haven’t been a relevant team since 2012. Having a great looking 2nd year QB and other pieces in place may be enough to override the negatives though. 

A similar issue for the Cowboys too. 

[sweetpeteman]

3 minutes ago, Old Style said:

A similar issue for the Cowboys too. 

And the jets

And the jags

And the raiders

[UK]

Hopefully when the Bears bring in HC candidates, they do better than flying them coach (although I can see how that might confuse the McCaskeys).

[UK]

If candidates turn down opportunities to interview with the Bears, their reputation is even worse than expected.

[UMFan83]

5 hours ago, PackLandVA said:

Titans requested virtual interviews from (at least) Aaron Glenn and Antonio Pierce. Also, their GM is Ran Carthon, so it seems odd he would only interview a minority because it's mandated.

How many of them did they actually interview?  Like I said my understanding is that they had decided to hire Callahan but had not interviewed 2 minority candidates yet. It’s not the first time that this has happened. The GM being a minority has nothing to do with anything. I’m not accusing anyone of being racist, simply that they felt strongly about hiring Callahan before they had completed their interview process. 

[Soul]

1 hour ago, UK said:

If candidates turn down opportunities to interview with the Bears, their reputation is even worse than expected.

Especially since HC candidates will put a premium on teams with a budding star at QB.

[Brian707]

If Poles seat is getting warm what coach would want to come here? Or at least if it's perceived it's getting warm. I think Brown has a better shot at the job next season than most think. 

[Rex Buckingham]

59 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

If Poles seat is getting warm what coach would want to come here? Or at least if it's perceived it's getting warm. I think Brown has a better shot at the job next season than most think. 

One that thinks he can help Caleb Williams move from good rookie QB to good QB to great QB

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5957910/2024/11/30/matt-eberflus-fired-bears-players-locker-room/

 

This is paywalled but a really good in-depth look at what we basically already knew: we've had a full-on player mutiny going all season.

The offensive players hated Waldron and felt like he was screwing up Williams' development.

The defensive players felt like Eberflus screwed up by allowing a free completion on the Washington hail Mary drive, and not calling a timeout before the hail Mary. (Personally I think they're wrong, but it doesn't matter, if you don't have the players' respect enough for them to trust you on calls like this, then you can't be a head coach).

Things really boiled over after the end of this game. Eberflus tried to give his speech about perseverance or whatever, but Jaylon Johnson and then other players were yelling at him for not calling a timeout after Williams was sacked. Eberflus finished his speech and left the room.

 

My thing has always been people get too worked up over tiny differences in in-game strategy, but the one thing you cannot do as a head coach is lose the locker room.  Whether the calls were right or wrong is irrelevant, the fact that he didn't have the players' trust is disqualifying.

The issue going forward is that we need to get control of things. I do not want the inmates running the asylum in the locker room long-term.  

I know this is where rooting for draft position makes sense, but I would like to see them win some games down the stretch to help return things to normalcy

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's all coming out now

Bears offensive players apparently never liked Waldron going back to the summer, when they thought that he was negating work they had done in previous years by installing a new running scheme and that he was installing a passing offense too complicated for a rookie QB.

Meanwhile Eberflus had a full five year guaranteed deal so we will be paying him through 2026

[Tryptamine]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's all coming out now

Bears offensive players apparently never liked Waldron going back to the summer, when they thought that he was negating work they had done in previous years by installing a new running scheme and that he was installing a passing offense too complicated for a rookie QB.

Meanwhile Eberflus had a full five year guaranteed deal so we will be paying him through 2026

No idea why Eberflus would have ever been given a 5 year deal

[Tryptamine]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's all coming out now

Bears offensive players apparently never liked Waldron going back to the summer, when they thought that he was negating work they had done in previous years by installing a new running scheme and that he was installing a passing offense too complicated for a rookie QB.

Meanwhile Eberflus had a full five year guaranteed deal so we will be paying him through 2026

I've seen various former NFL QBs say this same thing. He was running an offense like Caleb was a seasoned veteran which is probably why Caleb was hesitating so much under his system. 

[jersey cubs fan]

19 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

No idea why Eberflus would have ever been given a 5 year deal

Every Tom dick and Harry in the ncaa was getting 10 year extensions. It’s the market.