Bears Week 13 at Lions on Thanksgiving morning, 11:30 on CBS

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On 11/29/2024 at 1:46 AM, Hairyducked Idiot said:

OldKyle>NotKyle

We have not had repeated sniper attacks in recent weeks. We have had repeated operational problems with the field goal unit in recent weeks.

No one has actually stepped up to say "yes, we would have said it was the right call even if it had failed" because you know I'm right, which doesn't matter to most people but it does matter to me so you'll just have to live with a few more posts about it.  The only one I actually trust on this stuff is UmFan, who consistently makes calls in advance and sticks with them.

The fact that the offense can't get a play called and set in less than 26 seconds in that scenario is a massive indictment on the coaching staff. As is the fact that Kmet felt comfortable committing the exact same penalty as he has been called for earlier. And Borom not knowing the snap count.

 And it doesn't even matter that it was right, because the players very clearly don't have enough faith in him to trust him, and aren't being shy about it in the media, which is an infinitely bigger problem and is immediately firable.

I'll say it.  horsefeathers up the FG attempt is better than not getting one at all.  Period.

[Wilson A2000]

If true, not good if you are Poles 

[Brian707]

If true, than just can his ass too

[WrigleyField 22]

I think NFL teams operate with this level of HC-GM power imbalance more than people realize.  In the absolute best case scenario when a GM is the clear head of the HC, if the team finds any sort of success there will be a power struggle from the HC.

If it means anything, hopefully it means there aren't budget and "type" constraints on the process.  The Bears want to idolize the positions of Head Coach so much (hence the aversion to mid-season firings), might as well make him the clear face of football ops and make it a big hire.  Poles can run the personnel department.

 

[Tryptamine]

21 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

If true, not good if you are Poles 

No GM worth anything is going to touch this franchise if they can't make their own decisions. 

[UMFan83]

I like that Warren seems to recognize the importance of this particular hire and is taking a hands on approach to finding the best candidate,  It just feels like, if true, Poles is being neutered a bit here.  Warren has a long history in football but not sure he's a strategic football guy.  I guess that's where Poles assisting comes in.

Edited December 2, 2024 by UMFan83

[We Got The Whole 9]

What has this guy done to earn trust in this? This org lol

[CubinNY]

I don't have a problem with it. I assume Warren and Poles are more likely minded than not, so this decision will be like, give me two guys you like and I'll pick one. I hope it's a guy with a track record of nurturing young QBs. 

That said, if they want to fire Poles too, I'm ok. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

13 hours ago, Soul said:

Ok you convinced me.  Never ever draft a punter again.

See you in 20 years when we draft one and people have forgotten and spend the off-season crowing about how amazing it's going to be.   Gardocki to Sauerbrun to Taylor, the circle of life 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Poles should be getting full control over the coach hiring. Just be normal you freaking weirdos 

[Tryptamine]

17 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I don't have a problem with it. I assume Warren and Poles are more likely minded than not, so this decision will be like, give me two guys you like and I'll pick one. I hope it's a guy with a track record of nurturing young QBs. 

That said, if they want to fire Poles too, I'm ok. 

And replace them with who? Who is this great GM who is going to join an organization where they can't even pick their own coach? I'm actually scared Poles is going to end up leaving. 

[Brian707]

26 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

might as well make him the clear face of football ops and make it a big hire.  Poles can run the personnel department.

 

Who would constitute  a big hire? Vrabel? I know they won't go after Belichick(nor should they)

[CubinNY]

I know this is the Bears thread, but at least they aren't the Jets. 

Lol, who couldn't see this train wreck a mile away? 

[BigSlick]

ah jesus christ

a year ago things seemed so much brighter. sure, retaining eberflus seemed like a mistake, but he had the defense rolling and we had just acquired a bunch of new offensive toys and we had a new OC who had a pretty impressive QB reclamation project under his belt and, the thing I was most impressed by: Poles had a bold vision - take big swings, get talent, take risks, and roll the dice. I liked that in a GM.

Now he's been neutered, several of his moves have panned out disastrously (none worse than the decisions on coaching), and now he doesn't get final say on the next coach decision. bizarre, and bad. bears. 

Edited December 2, 2024 by BigSlick

[gflore34]

14 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

ah jesus christ

a year ago things seemed so much brighter. sure, retaining eberflus seemed like a mistake, but he had the defense rolling and we had just acquired a bunch of new offensive toys and we had a new OC who had a pretty impressive QB reclamation project under his belt and, the thing I was most impressed by: Poles had a bold vision - take big swings, get talent, take risks, and roll the dice. I liked that in a GM.

Now he's been neutered, several of his moves have panned out disastrously (none worse than the decisions on coaching), and now he doesn't get final say on the next coach decision. bizarre, and bad. bears. 

As long as they get it right I don't care who makes the decision, does Poles getting the final say guarantee correct hire?

Edited December 2, 2024 by gflore34

[BigSlick]

2 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

As long as they get it right I don't care who makes the decision, does Poles getting the final say guarantee correct hire?

It just seems to be another way the Bears org makes slapdash decisions without a clear chain of command, retain people to hire other people who get held onto as legacies when the people who hired them get fired, nothing has a clear systematic approach. Its so much being decided on the fly. I ideally want my GM and coach in lockstep, the talent acquisition matching coaching philosophy and etc. It's not the end all be all, but it makes more sense than what they're doing. It also signals to me that Poles may be on his way out, and if he is, JUST FIRE HIM. Don't do this thing where he stays on for another year to be fired and we do the circus all over again. 

[WrigleyField 22]

34 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

Who would constitute  a big hire? Vrabel? I know they won't go after Belichick(nor should they)

Ben Johnson, for sure, among the first time coach candidates. There's been plenty of smoke that he'll be selective.

 

Granted Ryan Pace in a similar scenario/track record got what many considered the hottest name in the market in 2018 and went it all alone.  But enough has probably changed (even if some of that is the self inflicted perception of the Bears org) that having the HC hire come from the highest level of organization possible might be the best approach if you want to swing as big as possible.

 

If you wanna just spin the OC wheel and don't care if Johnson and Vrabel or others turn you down because you just trust Poles, then Warren taking the reigns sucks.  Just depends.

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14 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Ben Johnson, for sure, among the first time coach candidates. There's been plenty of smoke that he'll be selective.

 

Granted Ryan Pace in a similar scenario/track record got what many considered the hottest name in the market in 2018 and went it all alone.  But enough has probably changed (even if some of that is the self inflicted perception of the Bears org) that having the HC hire come from the highest level of organization possible might be the best approach if you want to swing as big as possible.

 

If you wanna just spin the OC wheel and don't care if Johnson and Vrabel or others turn you down because you just trust Poles, then Warren taking the reigns sucks.  Just depends.

I read that Warren wanted Flus gone in the offseason, but Poles went out of his way to bring Flus back (sorry if this is rehashing something alreaedy covered here). 

If true, I can totally understand Warren wanting final say or input on the coaching hire. Poles insisted on Flus coming back, and pounded the table to Warren; Warren acquiesced, now they're firing Poles' guy. 

If that means Poles should just be out instead of saying, so be it. I think he's average - slightly above average in terms of GM's. He has some bad personell misses (uyou know who they are) but he is both aware of the idea of amassing draft capital (unlike pace) and not being afraid to spend it (like Pace). In the long run we'll figure out if his scouting operation is good enough. 

[Tryptamine]

Thanks to there being an absurd amount of terrible teams this year, despite being 4-8 the Bears would still only pick 11th as of this moment. They're also basically going to lose any tie because they have the highest SoS. 

[Wilson A2000]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

No GM worth anything is going to touch this franchise if they can't make their own decisions. 

“He will have the final say,” Warren said.

Poles made the decision to fire coach Matt Eberflus on Friday, one day after he held on to a timeout as the clock ran out on his offense against the Lions.

“This will be the most coveted job in the National Football League this year,” Warren said.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Wilson A2000

[Tryptamine]

9 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

 

Good, I'm happy he's staying.

[We Got The Whole 9]

Poles sitting in the principal's office while his dad explains reasons for his behavior 

[BigSlick]

I’m mad the Bears robbed me of a season where they were relevant late, something they were clearly talented enough for. Playoffs? Maybe not, not where the division is this year. But this was a team talented enough to still be playing relevant games at this point in the season. I should be able to turn on a game in week 13 and watch them play for something other than their own dignity and to improve their stats.

unforgivable that they did this to us. Makes me very angry. 

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

And replace them with who? Who is this great GM who is going to join an organization where they can't even pick their own coach? I'm actually scared Poles is going to end up leaving. 

I’d be fine with him leaving. He’s the head of a garbage team. Where’s his next gig coming from? 

[Tryptamine]

19 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I’d be fine with him leaving. He’s the head of a garbage team. Where’s his next gig coming from? 

Again, who is this great GM coming to the Bears knowing that they don't get to pick their own coach and they have to deal with a meddling owner? It's not that I think poles is great, it's that I think, given the situation, he's probably as good as it's going to get thanks to this horsefeathers organization.