Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[gflore34]

I'm all for this. He had a lot of great football with Defillipo (sp?). We'd have been falling over ourselves to add him a couple years ago. I think he could have handled the situation in Philly in a more professional manner. However I would not be surprised if he has a major bounce back with the change in scenery.

 

If the price tag isn't too steep OK but, Pace, no, he's going to get taken to the cleaners, bidding against himself.

[raw]

 

I don't like the idea of a bigger offer than expected for an expensive QB with cratered value.

 

Carson Wentz has $59M guaranteed left on his deal and was the worst full time QB in the NFL last year. I don't understand why it isn't incumbent on them to pay us for the favor of taking him.

 

I’m with you. I don’t see why the Bears should give up much in value for the privilege of paying Wentz $20MM a year.

 

Put Mitch’s and Wentz’s career numbers side by side. Wentz is better but only marginally so. Certainly not to the extent where the Bears should be giving up picks to pay him $20MM a year when Mitch could be had for Marcus Mariota’s contract.

 

Not that those are the only two options. I just don’t see why one guy is gold in the Bears’ eyes and the other guy is trash.

 

Eh. The difference is Wentz has an MVP caliber season in 2017 before he got hurt. He lowkey followed that up with a season where his completion percentage was 9.5% better, his yards per game, and passer rating all increased (again before injury). Mitch can't touch Wentz's 2017-18. While it remains to be seen if Wentz can touch it again, Trubisky has all but proven he never will.

[Splendid Splinter]

If Pace does end up trading for Wentz, how does that work out for salary cap purposes as far as a team goes? You would think that Pace will have to send Foles or someone else to offset the $$$ some and then start figuring out how to get back under the cap? Aren't the Bears already pretty much right up to it right now?

 

Also... if this does happens, hopefully it'll make ARob want to stay and get a deal. That could be a nice bonus.

[Bertz]

[Hairyducked Idiot]

We are throwing in an extra future second because one time Wentz met Pace in the hallway and gave an extra firm handshake and they wore the same brand of jeans

[raw]

Another thing I will say is if there is a deal close, I really hope the Bears drag their feet on this a little. There's no reason to go crazy to get Wentz when potentially Watson, Carr, draft picks, and Dak are still on table. Even if they asked about all these QBs and the price is astronomical, while the Wentz deal is a steal, asking prices do come down as reality starts to hit. Even the Eagles will become more desperate when it gets close to March 19 and they have to write that 10Mil check for Wentz and keep him thru the year.

[raw]

If Pace does end up trading for Wentz, how does that work out for salary cap purposes as far as a team goes? You would think that Pace will have to send Foles or someone else to offset the $$$ some and then start figuring out how to get back under the cap? Aren't the Bears already pretty much right up to it right now?

 

Also... if this does happens, hopefully it'll make ARob want to stay and get a deal. That could be a nice bonus.

 

I'm assuming any trade with the Eagles would involve Foles. If no Wentz, the Eagles have no #2 QB. Foles is a legend in Philly and the ideal backup to mentor Hurts. The Bears are up to the cap right now. Depending on where you look, the cap is supposed to be about 185M next year, and the Bears are about 500K over it. 5.3M of Foles deal would go to the Eagles. 25.4M of Wentz's deal would come to the Bears, so net of 20Mil basically.

 

Also, this move would probably hurt the chances of ARob staying. Have to clear 20Mil for Wentz, then another 18Mil if ARob is tagged. Be easier to fit the 1st year of a long-term deal into the cap, but I don't really see Robinson going, "oh snap, we got Wentz! I'm staying!"

[gflore34]

Another thing I will say is if there is a deal close, I really hope the Bears drag their feet on this a little. There's no reason to go crazy to get Wentz when potentially Watson, Carr, draft picks, and Dak are still on table. Even if they asked about all these QBs and the price is astronomical, while the Wentz deal is a steal, asking prices do come down as reality starts to hit. Even the Eagles will become more desperate when it gets close to March 19 and they have to write that 10Mil check for Wentz and keep him thru the year.

 

Sure but, when, if ever, has Pace shown any kind of such logic? What you're saying is something strategic and tactical Pace has not even hinted at knowing how to do these things.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

is this quote from April 27, 2017?

[UMFan83]

I dont hate the move if it happens depending on what we give them in return but not really an option that has me all that excited. Maybe he bounces back and is awesome, but hard to ignore just how bad he was recently, regardless of the reason why.

 

That said, a drafted QB would probably buy Pace 2-3 years. This move could get him canned this year if it doesnt work out. So I guess we've got that going for us?

[ChiCubsFan]

That’s pretty much my take. They aren’t going to tear it down and rebuild so let’s accelerate the sink or swim. Drafting a rookie QB allows for more excuses. Maybe Wentz gets back to performing like a top 5 QB he was in 2017 or even top half QB like he was in 2018-2019 and the defense gets re-energized and the team is a somewhat serious contender. Or Wentz fails miserably and everyone is fired and the franchise goes back into rebuild mode.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Just don't trade high round future draft picks and then have a situation like this year's Texans' #3 overall pick.

[minnesotacubsfan]

man, all I can say is Wentz better mean SB, or the rebuild just means more years of stupidnes. I was never a fan of his, but if he's the guy, I'll hope for the best

[UMFan83]

This can’t be real can it?

 

[Sosa21MVP]

This can’t be real can it?

 

 

If they make that kind of deal I am going to be a sad panda.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Hahahahahahahaha REBUILD IT IS

[jersey cubs fan]

Only way thats true is if Pace asked George for permission to do it and George, having no earthly idea how it evaluate talent or value in the NFL floated the idea to the media to gather feedback.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This can’t be real can it?

 

 

It's not only real, it's practically the Platonic ideal of a Pace trade.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Only way thats true is if Pace asked George for permission to do it and George, having no earthly idea how it evaluate talent or value in the NFL floated the idea to the media to gather feedback.

You'd hope so. Alternatively, this is Pace we are talking about

[Wilson A2000]

Trading for a worse QB than Mitch is a bad idea

[We Got The Whole 9]

Only people who ignore the advanced stats put Mitch as equal to or better than Wentz.

 

 

Wentz had an entirely putrid 2020. With his track record I think its only fair to view that as an aberration with a major deal of skepticism that he should shoulder the blame for it.

 

Wentz is being made out to be this totally awful QB because 1 season out of 5 and I just don't think it's true.

 

I also am starting to doubt the veracity of these trade claims in the first place.

[Bertz]

Only people who ignore the advanced stats put Mitch as equal to or better than Wentz.

 

 

Wentz had an entirely putrid 2020. With his track record I think its only fair to view that as an aberration with a major deal of skepticism that he should shoulder the blame for it.

 

Wentz is being made out to be this totally awful QB because 1 season out of 5 and I just don't think it's true.

 

I also am starting to doubt the veracity of these trade claims in the first place.

 

Wentz's ranks in DVOA the last 4 years: 6th, 13th, 20th, 34th

 

Trubisky's: 29th (Rookie year), 19th, 26th, 24th

 

Wentz is probably better than Trubisky, but I think the point is it's way too close for this to be the guy you hitch your wagon to. The only real arguments for Wentz being actually good and not just good by Bears' standards essentially boil down to making it 2017 again through either science or magic.

[BigbadB]

I'd like to point out that Wentz has had way less weapons in his arsenal over the last 3 years. Outside of Zach Ertz, he's had nothing. This isn't my attempt at justifying giving up too much for Wentz, but rather that he's better than Trubisky.

[raw]

Only people who ignore the advanced stats put Mitch as equal to or better than Wentz.

 

 

Wentz had an entirely putrid 2020. With his track record I think its only fair to view that as an aberration with a major deal of skepticism that he should shoulder the blame for it.

 

Wentz is being made out to be this totally awful QB because 1 season out of 5 and I just don't think it's true.

 

I also am starting to doubt the veracity of these trade claims in the first place.

 

Wentz's ranks in DVOA the last 4 years: 6th, 13th, 20th, 34th

 

Trubisky's: 29th (Rookie year), 19th, 26th, 24th

 

Wentz is probably better than Trubisky, but I think the point is it's way too close for this to be the guy you hitch your wagon to. The only real arguments for Wentz being actually good and not just good by Bears' standards essentially boil down to making it 2017 again through either science or magic.

 

Wentz is clearly better, but not significantly better. But let's stop thinking that Mitch is an actual factor here. The Bears aren't bringing him back. When he was a factor, Nagy didn't even let him throw the ball any significant distance down the field....boosting his stats to make this even as close as it is. Ultimately, Wentz would probably be similar to Cutler. League average to slightly above, probably good enough to compete with the franchise records, but needs everything to go right with the OL, run game, weapons and his own health to do anything of substance in January.

[champaignchris]

My question comes down to why the Bears would think this 60% completion percentage, 2:1 TD:Int ratio, 90 QB rating quarterback will be so much better than the 60% CMP%, 2:1 TD:Int, 90 Rtg quarterback that they just gave up on?

 

To such an extent that they’d give up assets to get him and pay $25MM in 20201 when they’re already over the salary cap?

 

Are they hanging their hats on 2017 and 2018? Because that’s starting to be a long time ago in NFL terms. People can point to his lack of weapons these last few years, but what weapons do the Bears have? Especially if they have to let Robinson walk because they can’t get under the cap any other way.

 

If they really need to give up multiple draft picks and a player to get Wentz, they should just go all the way in and go after Watson.