Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[raw]

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears signed a guy who was most recently a defensive analyst? at Nebraska. Bill McGovern, who by the looks of him would probably be the most pro-Trump coach in the NFL.

 

[WrigleyField 22]

No Oakleys though?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I see things got so bad for Chris Bosio, he switched to coaching football.

[David]

[David]

[Hairyducked Idiot]

When you trade a million picks for a QB, aren't you putting yourself a huge step behind every team that drafted their own?

 

Just draft your own. We are trying so hard to come up with any path that doesn't involve that, and I don't get it.

[raw]

When you trade a million picks for a QB, aren't you putting yourself a huge step behind every team that drafted their own?

 

Just draft your own. We are trying so hard to come up with any path that doesn't involve that, and I don't get it.

 

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady.

 

Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy.

 

The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

When you trade a million picks for a QB, aren't you putting yourself a huge step behind every team that drafted their own?

 

Just draft your own. We are trying so hard to come up with any path that doesn't involve that, and I don't get it.

 

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady.

 

Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy.

 

The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is.

 

And Tampa is gonna get bum-rushed by KC, a team that drafted its own QB.

 

It sure feels like five years after a Watson trade, we'll be saying "it's not his fault, he just doesn't have the cast around him." Just like we did with Cutler and Mack.

 

 

I mean, I'll be excited if they do it. But I really just want to draft a successful QB of our own just once.

[gflore34]

When you trade a million picks for a QB, aren't you putting yourself a huge step behind every team that drafted their own?

 

Just draft your own. We are trying so hard to come up with any path that doesn't involve that, and I don't get it.

 

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady.

 

Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy.

 

The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is.

 

And Tampa is gonna get bum-rushed by KC, a team that drafted its own QB.

 

It sure feels like five years after a Watson trade, we'll be saying "it's not his fault, he just doesn't have the cast around him." Just like we did with Cutler and Mack.

 

 

I mean, I'll be excited if they do it. But I really just want to draft a successful QB of our own just once.

 

Watson and Stafford are not realistic options for the Bears, I just don't believe they've the resources to make a trade for either. So that leaves everyone else or draft a QB, while I do not have much confidence Pace and Nagy will get it right, drafting a QB may be the correct route. I thought it bad but, a trade for Tua is almost like drafting a QB. Once in my lifetime I'd like to see the Bears with the QB who manhandles the rest of the NFC North most especially, one who abuses the Packers. It could happen, the Cubs won the WS, this could happen as well.

[jersey cubs fan]

When you trade a million picks for a QB, aren't you putting yourself a huge step behind every team that drafted their own?

 

Just draft your own. We are trying so hard to come up with any path that doesn't involve that, and I don't get it.

 

In theory, but you get Watson and you have the best QB in the NFC under 32. And we are literally seeing right now what happens when you replace negative value QB play with top 5 QB play. Tampa was 7-9 with Winston and now is in the Superbowl. Granted, they didn't have to trade their early draft picks to get Brady.

 

Where the Bears pick, drafting their own QB probably isn't possible without a move up. If they don't go into the draft with a legit franchise QB, it probably means they are going to trade this and next year's 1st round pick to move up for a QB. You're talking 1 more 1st rounder and some other pieces for a proven top 5 guy.

 

The Cutler trade didn't set the Bears a step behind. Not properly surrounding him with talent on offense w/ the resources they did have did. And frankly, Cutler probably wasn't quite good enough. Definitely not a top 5 QB like Watson is.

 

And Tampa is gonna get bum-rushed by KC, a team that drafted its own QB.

 

It sure feels like five years after a Watson trade, we'll be saying "it's not his fault, he just doesn't have the cast around him." Just like we did with Cutler and Mack.

 

 

I mean, I'll be excited if they do it. But I really just want to draft a successful QB of our own just once.

I would pay big money to have the bears get bum-rushed by KC in the super bowl.

 

Yes, the ideal is to draft a QB but odds are they aren't drafting a franchise guy at 20. I'd rather trade away the 20 plus a 4 for a chance at Tua than trade away 20 plus the next 1st rounder+ for a chance to draft the 3rd QB this year.

 

They need to acquire a QB any way they can, and they need to draft one every year from now until the eventual franchise guy signs his first extension and then they need to draft 2 each year.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

[Proven Veteran]

 

I almost posted this but couldn't bring myself to do it. Goff is worst case scenario for me.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea, hard pass.

 

Seriousoy, who would want Goff, especially with all the other names out there?

[ChiCubsFan]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

[raw]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

 

I changed my mind. But I've never been a big Tua fan and LOVE Lance who I think has MVP upside.

[minnesotacubsfan]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

 

I changed my mind. But I've never been a big Tua fan and LOVE Lance who I think has MVP upside.

Exactly how I feel. I wouldn't cry over Tua tho

[WrigleyField 22]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

I wouldn't be pissed about 1st and 4th for Tua, quibbling over the 4th aside. But if the Bears are inserted into this hypothetical it's because Houston doesn't value him. So it helps to not be competing against Houston and against the likely smaller subsey of teams who might be interested in Tua.

 

The Lance question is of course a question of potential verse floor. As raw said, no doubt he has a higher ceiling with his tools.

 

But even if it was a question of 20th and 4th for Tua, you could weigh Tua vs Mac Jones and probably make a case for the latter.

[minnesotacubsfan]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

I wouldn't be pissed about 1st and 4th for Tua, quibbling over the 4th aside. But if the Bears are inserted into this hypothetical it's because Houston doesn't value him. So it helps to not be competing against Houston and against the likely smaller subsey of teams who might be interested in Tua.

 

The Lance question is of course a question of potential verse floor. As raw said, no doubt he has a higher ceiling with his tools.

 

But even if it was a question of 20th and 4th for Tua, you could weigh Tua vs Mac Jones and probably make a case for the latter.

Idk if that trade scenario was a matter of Houston not thinking Tua is that good or more of a way to get Houston (3) first-rounders for Watson.

[WrigleyField 22]

People wouldn’t want Tua for 20 and a future 4th round pick? But would want Lance or whoever for 20 and a future 1st? What the hell...

I wouldn't be pissed about 1st and 4th for Tua, quibbling over the 4th aside. But if the Bears are inserted into this hypothetical it's because Houston doesn't value him. So it helps to not be competing against Houston and against the likely smaller subsey of teams who might be interested in Tua.

 

The Lance question is of course a question of potential verse floor. As raw said, no doubt he has a higher ceiling with his tools.

 

But even if it was a question of 20th and 4th for Tua, you could weigh Tua vs Mac Jones and probably make a case for the latter.

Idk if that trade scenario was a matter of Houston not thinking Tua is that good or more of a way to get Houston (3) first-rounders for Watson.

Eh. I'd assume they'd want to use one of those 3 on a QB. Unless it's the 3rd overall fromMIA, they are using for a QB, it kind of makes the point they'd rather role the dice on another QB. But either way, it kind of shows that his value is tamped down. And I could imagine not many teams parting with a 1st for Tua, either because that 1st is too high or they'd prefer a more known quantity to their QB search (although arguably so will the Bears).

Edited January 30, 2021 by WrigleyField 22

[minnesotacubsfan]

I wouldn't be pissed about 1st and 4th for Tua, quibbling over the 4th aside. But if the Bears are inserted into this hypothetical it's because Houston doesn't value him. So it helps to not be competing against Houston and against the likely smaller subsey of teams who might be interested in Tua.

 

The Lance question is of course a question of potential verse floor. As raw said, no doubt he has a higher ceiling with his tools.

 

But even if it was a question of 20th and 4th for Tua, you could weigh Tua vs Mac Jones and probably make a case for the latter.

Idk if that trade scenario was a matter of Houston not thinking Tua is that good or more of a way to get Houston (3) first-rounders for Watson.

Eh. I'd assume they'd want to use one of those 3 on a QB. Unless it's the 3rd overall fromMIA, they are using for a QB, it kind of makes the point they'd rather role the dice on another QB. But either way, it kind of shows that his value is tamper down. And I could imagine not many teams parting with a 1st for Tua, either because that 1st is too high or they'd prefer a more known quantity to their QB search (although arguably so will the Bears).

 

I mean, sure Houston might think that way but the guy who dreamed up the trade scenario was prolly just thinking 3 firsts for Watson. I don't disagree with what you're saying otherwise, however, I would take Tua for our 20th and a 4th. He's probably worth it and especially worth more than Mac Jones imo.

[ChiCubsFan]

Interesting. Is there a reason people are so down on Tua? He looked great at times (vs Arizona, for example) then other times looked like a rookie QB less than a year removed from a devastating hip injury, with no training camp, throwing to practice squad receivers behind an O Line starting 3 rookies.

 

Sure, those are excuses but it seems crazy that he goes from the consensus top pick a little over a year ago, to the 5th overall, to now not even being worth a first rounder?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Because quarterbacks?

[UMFan83]

Interesting. Is there a reason people are so down on Tua? He looked great at times (vs Arizona, for example) then other times looked like a rookie QB less than a year removed from a devastating hip injury, with no training camp, throwing to practice squad receivers behind an O Line starting 3 rookies.

 

Sure, those are excuses but it seems crazy that he goes from the consensus top pick a little over a year ago, to the 5th overall, to now not even being worth a first rounder?

 

He seems like a QB that can be good with the right system but could also be a complete bust. Not sure Nagy is the guy that can design a system to take advantage of his strengths.

 

Tua wouldn’t be my first choice for QBs but I would prefer him over like resigning Mitch because of that high ceiling potential

[minnesotacubsfan]

so, with news reports that Arob wants $25 million yr/ave and the franchise likely closer to $18 million, what would the trade market look like for him on a tag and trade deal?