Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess

 

Trubisky had 12 games as a rookie under John Fox at the time of Nagy's hire - the jury was definitely out on Trubisky at the time. And, let's be real, Nagy wasn't going to horsefeathers on his starting QB when he was hired.

 

I'm not denying Nagy doesn't share some responsibility too.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess

FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess

FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy.

 

really? I don't remember that (not before and during 2018 anyway)

[jersey cubs fan]

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess

FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy.

 

really? I don't remember that (not before and during 2018 anyway)

It wasn't a publicly discussed issue, it was a person in the organization who speaks to a friend of mine. Back when I thought Mitch had a chance to live up to the draft pick, he told me not to get my hopes up.

[gflore34]

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess

FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy.

 

The prospect of replacing Mitch with Jimmy G does not seem like much of an upgrade. If that's avenue might as well sign Mitch for a year, tank while keeping draft capital.

[minnesotacubsfan]

FWIW I know that the offensive coaches had relatively low opinions of Mitch very early on, it was why I've thought all along that Nagy would survive a Mitch collapse. I am assuming they were honest with Pace about what they (and the rest of the league) thinks about Mitch and felt they'd have an opportunity to help pick the next guy.

 

really? I don't remember that (not before and during 2018 anyway)

It wasn't a publicly discussed issue, it was a person in the organization who speaks to a friend of mine. Back when I thought Mitch had a chance to live up to the draft pick, he told me not to get my hopes up.

 

 

thats interesting

[gflore34]

 

really? I don't remember that (not before and during 2018 anyway)

It wasn't a publicly discussed issue, it was a person in the organization who speaks to a friend of mine. Back when I thought Mitch had a chance to live up to the draft pick, he told me not to get my hopes up.

 

 

thats interesting

 

Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him?

[minnesotacubsfan]

It wasn't a publicly discussed issue, it was a person in the organization who speaks to a friend of mine. Back when I thought Mitch had a chance to live up to the draft pick, he told me not to get my hopes up.

 

 

thats interesting

 

Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him?

 

sure, but there were also the highlights of him hitting guys in stride down the sidelines against Fuller. Not to mention, anytime the practice D got the better of a rookie/2nd year quarterback it just fell back to "wow, the Bears have an AWESOME D!" and they did in 2018

[gflore34]

 

 

thats interesting

 

Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him?

 

sure, but there were also the highlights of him hitting guys in stride down the sidelines against Fuller. Not to mention, anytime the practice D got the better of a rookie/2nd year quarterback it just fell back to "wow, the Bears have an AWESOME D!" and they did in 2018

 

Just for the hell of it I looked at some pre-draft scouting reports of Mitch and it's all there - strong arm but, struggles with downfield accuracy, questionable footwork, trouble recognizing disguised overages, good scrambler - once again just what the hell was so special that Pace HAD to draft him?

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Weren't there whispers of the defense abusing Mitch in practice? That is doing things like showing one look but, go another on the snap, etc. confusing the hell out of him?

 

sure, but there were also the highlights of him hitting guys in stride down the sidelines against Fuller. Not to mention, anytime the practice D got the better of a rookie/2nd year quarterback it just fell back to "wow, the Bears have an AWESOME D!" and they did in 2018

 

Just for the hell of it I looked at some pre-draft scouting reports of Mitch and it's all there - strong arm but, struggles with downfield accuracy, questionable footwork, trouble recognizing disguised overages, good scrambler - once again just what the hell was so special that Pace HAD to draft him?

 

all three had questions, Watson's arm strength was questionable, Mahomes was a "project". idk. The only real damning issue with Trubisky was his lack of experience which was 1-year starting, and against weaker comp iirc. But then again, Mahomes hadn't really played anyone either at that point.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I have no interest in working today, so I thought I peruse moc drafts

 

1-4 all QBs, Bears take Bateman

 

Bears take Mayfield OT, miss Trey by one pick

 

this Mayfield guy pops up again

 

Bateman, again

 

Olave because Robinson leaves - I guess

 

Toney....yaaawn

 

Slater, T

 

so, consensus is its either WR or OT

[raw]

I have no interest in working today, so I thought I peruse moc drafts

 

1-4 all QBs, Bears take Bateman

 

Bears take Mayfield OT, miss Trey by one pick

 

this Mayfield guy pops up again

 

Bateman, again

 

Olave because Robinson leaves - I guess

 

Toney....yaaawn

 

Slater, T

 

so, consensus is its either WR or OT

 

Olave went back to school, so that one is not happening. I honestly don't think the Bears are picking 20th unless they pull Dak in free agency. The 20th pick will either be traded for Watson (long shot) or traded to move up for a QB in the draft. But only a WR is the pick if Robinson is gone.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know you have to go BPA or whatever, but if it's not a QB, I really want an OT.

[WrigleyField 22]

I know you have to go BPA or whatever, but if it's not a QB, I really want an OT.

Its looking like a good year for it, luckily.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I really want Bateman if we don't trade the pick

[raw]

I really want Bateman if we don't trade the pick

Bateman reminds me of Allen Robinson a lot. Especially from before the ACL tear for Arob. Good route runner for a 6-2 WR, not as good as Robinson in jump balls but better after the catch since Robinson's injury.

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

Yea, Arob is a good comp

[gflore34]

I know you have to go BPA or whatever, but if it's not a QB, I really want an OT.

 

Seconded on the OT, all starts with the OL.

[jumbo]

Texans trade:

Deshaun Watson

 

Bears trade:

2021 1st rd pick

2022 1st rd pick

2023 1st rd pick

Nick Foles

 

I'd do it if that was the price. I know Pace would do it

 

ARob may be willing to come back more easily (I'd franchise him anyway)

A bunch of guys are getting cut/restructured to get under the cap (when does the final number get set, anyway?)

[raw]

 

I heard he's best friends with Deshaun Watson. No not really, but one can hope.

 

Also interesting is his kid Chris Rumph II is an OLB prospect in this draft from Duke.

 

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[jersey cubs fan]

 

I heard he's best friends with Deshaun Watson. No not really, but one can hope.

 

Also interesting is his kid Chris Rumph II is an OLB prospect in this draft from Duke.

 

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first impression of his resume is, not great.

 

Career college position coach. Spent some time as a co-defensive coordinator, but only a coordinator outright for four games when his cohort was promoted to interim head coach. One season in the NFL on a terrible team with a bad defense. Doesn't do much to counteract the theory that no top coaching candidates want to work with this group.

[gflore34]

Texans trade:

Deshaun Watson

 

Bears trade:

2021 1st rd pick

2022 1st rd pick

2023 1st rd pick

Nick Foles

 

I'd do it if that was the price. I know Pace would do it

 

ARob may be willing to come back more easily (I'd franchise him anyway)

A bunch of guys are getting cut/restructured to get under the cap (when does the final number get set, anyway?)

 

That's a steep price with such a cost you've got to be certain you're getting back a franchise QB not merely a good QB. It's all academic anyway, a Jimmy G, Marcus Mariottta, Tyrod Talyor type is who the Bears will end up with.

[raw]

 

I heard he's best friends with Deshaun Watson. No not really, but one can hope.

 

Also interesting is his kid Chris Rumph II is an OLB prospect in this draft from Duke.

 

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first impression of his resume is, not great.

 

Career college position coach. Spent some time as a co-defensive coordinator, but only a coordinator outright for four games when his cohort was promoted to interim head coach. One season in the NFL on a terrible team with a bad defense. Doesn't do much to counteract the theory that no top coaching candidates want to work with this group.

 

Nope. I'm choosing to believe this Aaron Wilson guy who I've never heard of that this OLB coach I've never heard of is indeed highly regarded by people I've never heard of.

[raw]

Texans trade:

Deshaun Watson

 

Bears trade:

2021 1st rd pick

2022 1st rd pick

2023 1st rd pick

Nick Foles

 

I'd do it if that was the price. I know Pace would do it

 

ARob may be willing to come back more easily (I'd franchise him anyway)

A bunch of guys are getting cut/restructured to get under the cap (when does the final number get set, anyway?)

 

That's a steep price with such a cost you've got to be certain you're getting back a franchise QB not merely a good QB. It's all academic anyway, a Jimmy G, Marcus Mariottta, Tyrod Talyor type is who the Bears will end up with.

 

Is there doubt that Watson is a franchise QB?

 

But yeah, I don't even think that necessarily gets Watson. I think you're looking at those 3 picks, plus 2-3 day 2 picks (2021 2nd, 2022 3rd).

[minnesotacubsfan]

Texans trade:

Deshaun Watson

 

Bears trade:

2021 1st rd pick

2022 1st rd pick

2023 1st rd pick

Nick Foles

 

I'd do it if that was the price. I know Pace would do it

 

ARob may be willing to come back more easily (I'd franchise him anyway)

A bunch of guys are getting cut/restructured to get under the cap (when does the final number get set, anyway?)

 

That's a steep price with such a cost you've got to be certain you're getting back a franchise QB not merely a good QB. It's all academic anyway, a Jimmy G, Marcus Mariottta, Tyrod Talyor type is who the Bears will end up with.

 

 

Watson is a franchise QB, and young. But when you think about it, Pace will have ultimately drafted him with 4 1st rd pics with that trade.

 

Pace is a horsefeathering idiot