Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

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The LIons hired Brad Holmes from the Rams as their new GM. The good news is that Ed Dodds was right there in the running, and he's a candidate a lot of Bears fans wanted. So, if he doesn't get a job this cycle he may be there for the Bears next year if they ever move on from Pace. The bad news (at least for me personally) is that since he's from the Rams, this could mean Brandon Staley is a strong candidate for the HC job....and he's probably my favorite candidate for the Bears next coach.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The LIons hired Brad Holmes from the Rams as their new GM. The good news is that Ed Dodds was right there in the running, and he's a candidate a lot of Bears fans wanted. So, if he doesn't get a job this cycle he may be there for the Bears next year if they ever move on from Pace. The bad news (at least for me personally) is that since he's from the Rams, this could mean Brandon Staley is a strong candidate for the HC job....and he's probably my favorite candidate for the Bears next coach.

 

And Staley might poach Jay Rodgers

 

[17 Seconds]

i'm a very casual bears fan and i don't follow transactions much. if watson became available, would the bears have the assets?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

[WrigleyField 22]

i'm a very casual bears fan and i don't follow transactions much. if watson became available, would the bears have the assets?

Well Watsons 2021 salary cap hit isn't very big. So they can make that work with minor manuevers.

 

They don't really have extra picks from which they can deal from, but if they wanted to they could deal from the picks they do have, including having all their future firsts.

 

So if it's really something Hou wanted to entertain and CHI was really motivated, sure.

 

But I'll be honest, I really don't know they can build a team around the cap constraints. I think they'd have to move on from Mack by 2022 once Watsons cap hit gets bigger. Will be too much for 2 players. But maybe they could be all in for 2021 then retool. But it's tough to retool once you've traded maybe 3 or 4 future 1sts.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Uh I definitely didn't need a full analysis to know that lol

[scarey]

 

 

 

Not that I have a very high opinion of what the Bears have done in the last 25 years, but I have a feeling these are a little bit cherry picked. That 1995 starting date is significant I'm betting.

[UK]

 

 

 

Not that I have a very high opinion of what the Bears have done in the last 25 years, but I have a feeling these are a little bit cherry picked. That 1995 starting date is significant I'm betting.

 

25 years seems like a good starting point. If you want to even out the #s by going back to the 80s when the Bears dominated, you're further showing how the bad the Bears are.

 

If you go back say 20 years or just during the Rodgers tenure, there's not a theme shift compared to 25.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

 

 

Not that I have a very high opinion of what the Bears have done in the last 25 years, but I have a feeling these are a little bit cherry picked. That 1995 starting date is significant I'm betting.

 

25 years seems like a good starting point. If you want to even out the #s by going back to the 80s when the Bears dominated, you're further showing how the bad the Bears are.

 

If you go back say 20 years or just during the Rodgers tenure, there's not a theme shift compared to 25.

Well 25 ends up being significant since it picks up the first of the Packers first of back to back SB.

 

But that's it. If you did 23 years it'd be just as damning.

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i'm a very casual bears fan and i don't follow transactions much. if watson became available, would the bears have the assets?

Well Watsons 2021 salary cap hit isn't very big. So they can make that work with minor manuevers.

 

They don't really have extra picks from which they can deal from, but if they wanted to they could deal from the picks they do have, including having all their future firsts.

 

So if it's really something Hou wanted to entertain and CHI was really motivated, sure.

 

But I'll be honest, I really don't know they can build a team around the cap constraints. I think they'd have to move on from Mack by 2022 once Watsons cap hit gets bigger. Will be too much for 2 players. But maybe they could be all in for 2021 then retool. But it's tough to retool once you've traded maybe 3 or 4 future 1sts.

 

They can definitely make it work. Watson's cap hit increase in 2022 actually sets up perfectly with the Bears being able to get out of some of the big contracts. Even if they don't cut Mack until AFTER 2022, they can save 24M by cutting Quinn and Jackson with a June 1 designation. Then there's Foles 7Mil off the books. Goldman could be a June 1 cut. If the cap is 200M in 2022, the Bears currently have 75M in cap room. Granted, only 24 players under contract, but that also includes guys like Massie who will certainly be cut this offseason.

[WrigleyField 22]

i'm a very casual bears fan and i don't follow transactions much. if watson became available, would the bears have the assets?

Well Watsons 2021 salary cap hit isn't very big. So they can make that work with minor manuevers.

 

They don't really have extra picks from which they can deal from, but if they wanted to they could deal from the picks they do have, including having all their future firsts.

 

So if it's really something Hou wanted to entertain and CHI was really motivated, sure.

 

But I'll be honest, I really don't know they can build a team around the cap constraints. I think they'd have to move on from Mack by 2022 once Watsons cap hit gets bigger. Will be too much for 2 players. But maybe they could be all in for 2021 then retool. But it's tough to retool once you've traded maybe 3 or 4 future 1sts.

 

They can definitely make it work. Watson's cap hit increase in 2022 actually sets up perfectly with the Bears being able to get out of some of the big contracts. Even if they don't cut Mack until AFTER 2022, they can save 24M by cutting Quinn and Jackson with a June 1 designation. Then there's Foles 7Mil off the books. Goldman could be a June 1 cut. If the cap is 200M in 2022, the Bears currently have 75M in cap room. Granted, only 24 players under contract, but that also includes guys like Massie who will certainly be cut this offseason.

Yea, so you're cutting a bunch of starters and only have FA to really replace them. They can of course fit his cap number, but building a winner around it is entirely different.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Well Watsons 2021 salary cap hit isn't very big. So they can make that work with minor manuevers.

 

They don't really have extra picks from which they can deal from, but if they wanted to they could deal from the picks they do have, including having all their future firsts.

 

So if it's really something Hou wanted to entertain and CHI was really motivated, sure.

 

But I'll be honest, I really don't know they can build a team around the cap constraints. I think they'd have to move on from Mack by 2022 once Watsons cap hit gets bigger. Will be too much for 2 players. But maybe they could be all in for 2021 then retool. But it's tough to retool once you've traded maybe 3 or 4 future 1sts.

 

They can definitely make it work. Watson's cap hit increase in 2022 actually sets up perfectly with the Bears being able to get out of some of the big contracts. Even if they don't cut Mack until AFTER 2022, they can save 24M by cutting Quinn and Jackson with a June 1 designation. Then there's Foles 7Mil off the books. Goldman could be a June 1 cut. If the cap is 200M in 2022, the Bears currently have 75M in cap room. Granted, only 24 players under contract, but that also includes guys like Massie who will certainly be cut this offseason.

Yea, so you're cutting a bunch of starters and only have FA to really replace them. They can of course fit his cap number, but building a winner around it is entirely different.

 

 

yea, unless they were to get Watson with something akin to what they traded for Cutler with it would hamstring the team. Watson would end up where he is: a super talented QB on a team void of another talent.

 

Draft a qb, or get lucky with Prescott

[BigbadB]

Between trying to fit his salary into this current roster and losing all of the draft capital, it would be the current team minus Allen Robinson and no OT replacements, with an aging defense only getting older. I don't think this is the best way for them to go. And that's ignoring how embarrassing it will be to see exactly how much they gave up in moving up to draft Trubisky at #2 and how much they would be giving up for Watson when they could have just taken him with the 3rd overall pick. Very unsettling.

[raw]

Well Watsons 2021 salary cap hit isn't very big. So they can make that work with minor manuevers.

 

They don't really have extra picks from which they can deal from, but if they wanted to they could deal from the picks they do have, including having all their future firsts.

 

So if it's really something Hou wanted to entertain and CHI was really motivated, sure.

 

But I'll be honest, I really don't know they can build a team around the cap constraints. I think they'd have to move on from Mack by 2022 once Watsons cap hit gets bigger. Will be too much for 2 players. But maybe they could be all in for 2021 then retool. But it's tough to retool once you've traded maybe 3 or 4 future 1sts.

 

They can definitely make it work. Watson's cap hit increase in 2022 actually sets up perfectly with the Bears being able to get out of some of the big contracts. Even if they don't cut Mack until AFTER 2022, they can save 24M by cutting Quinn and Jackson with a June 1 designation. Then there's Foles 7Mil off the books. Goldman could be a June 1 cut. If the cap is 200M in 2022, the Bears currently have 75M in cap room. Granted, only 24 players under contract, but that also includes guys like Massie who will certainly be cut this offseason.

Yea, so you're cutting a bunch of starters and only have FA to really replace them. They can of course fit his cap number, but building a winner around it is entirely different.

Eh. Those were just examples. Pace's demonstrated ability to hit in the mid rounds and with cheap free agents shows me that they can build a contender with a top 5 QB. Plus, a top 5 QB alone almost always automatically makes you a contender.....with unironically, Watson being an example of the contrary.

 

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[champaignchris]

 

They can definitely make it work. Watson's cap hit increase in 2022 actually sets up perfectly with the Bears being able to get out of some of the big contracts. Even if they don't cut Mack until AFTER 2022, they can save 24M by cutting Quinn and Jackson with a June 1 designation. Then there's Foles 7Mil off the books. Goldman could be a June 1 cut. If the cap is 200M in 2022, the Bears currently have 75M in cap room. Granted, only 24 players under contract, but that also includes guys like Massie who will certainly be cut this offseason.

Yea, so you're cutting a bunch of starters and only have FA to really replace them. They can of course fit his cap number, but building a winner around it is entirely different.

 

 

yea, unless they were to get Watson with something akin to what they traded for Cutler with it would hamstring the team. Watson would end up where he is: a super talented QB on a team void of another talent.

 

Draft a qb, or get lucky with Prescott

 

Right. The Bears really don’t have any other assets to trade. So they’d probably be looking at minimum their next three first round draft picks for Watson.

[WrigleyField 22]

Between trying to fit his salary into this current roster and losing all of the draft capital, it would be the current team minus Allen Robinson and no OT replacements, with an aging defense only getting older. I don't think this is the best way for them to go. And that's ignoring how embarrassing it will be to see exactly how much they gave up in moving up to draft Trubisky at #2 and how much they would be giving up for Watson when they could have just taken him with the 3rd overall pick. Very unsettling.

So they kind of could fit some stuff in this year. Again, Watson's cap hold isn't bad in 2021. It's 2022 that you have to decide. You probably could do ARob, but then you really need to tear a lot of your D pieces apart starting in 2022. Or you don't do ARob and you can keep a little bit more of the D intact, but maybe still walk from Mack.

 

On some level there's always tough decision when you're paying a QB 20% or so of your cap. The issue is when you are draft capital depleted as one of the means to replace.

[UMFan83]

Between trying to fit his salary into this current roster and losing all of the draft capital, it would be the current team minus Allen Robinson and no OT replacements, with an aging defense only getting older. I don't think this is the best way for them to go. And that's ignoring how embarrassing it will be to see exactly how much they gave up in moving up to draft Trubisky at #2 and how much they would be giving up for Watson when they could have just taken him with the 3rd overall pick. Very unsettling.

 

We'd probably be in the same position or worse than the Texans this year and we see how that worked out despite Watson being a great QB. But regardless I'd still consider it. Youngish elite QBs are so rare, and unbelievably rare for the Bears. If you have an opportunity to get a guaranteed elite QB I think you have to push for it and hope that you can find a way to rebuild with the limitations. Anyways this would have made a lot more sense if Pace was fired. I don't see him doubling down on his draft gaffe at the possible expense of short term wins. He'd rather build an 8-8 or 9-7 team since that seems to be acceptable for George and Ted.

[jersey cubs fan]

Between trying to fit his salary into this current roster and losing all of the draft capital, it would be the current team minus Allen Robinson and no OT replacements, with an aging defense only getting older. I don't think this is the best way for them to go. And that's ignoring how embarrassing it will be to see exactly how much they gave up in moving up to draft Trubisky at #2 and how much they would be giving up for Watson when they could have just taken him with the 3rd overall pick. Very unsettling.

 

We'd probably be in the same position or worse than the Texans this year and we see how that worked out despite Watson being a great QB. But regardless I'd still consider it. Youngish elite QBs are so rare, and unbelievably rare for the Bears. If you have an opportunity to get a guaranteed elite QB I think you have to push for it and hope that you can find a way to rebuild with the limitations. Anyways this would have made a lot more sense if Pace was fired. I don't see him doubling down on his draft gaffe at the possible expense of short term wins. He'd rather build an 8-8 or 9-7 team since that seems to be acceptable for George and Ted.

It didn't work out for the Texans this year as their incompetent HC destroyed the team, but other than the fact that he's disgruntled and wants out they'd be ecstatic to be in their position with a young franchise QB moving forward.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

If I'm the Texans, I'm looking at the bears next three first round picks and thinking they could be pretty valuable considering Nagy's dumb offense plus the defense exiting their primes.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bears need a new passing coordinator and RB coach apparently:

 

https://twitter.com/alexrags1/status/1350201141523574785?s=21

[jersey cubs fan]

Bears need a new passing coordinator and RB coach apparently:

 

https://twitter.com/alexrags1/status/1350201141523574785?s=21

what was the deleted tweet from the dude with 9 followers?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bears need a new passing coordinator and RB coach apparently:

 

https://twitter.com/alexrags1/status/1350201141523574785?s=21

what was the deleted tweet from the dude with 9 followers?

 

Nephew of Dave Ragone saying Ragone was going to be Arthur Smith's OC in Atlanta and bring the Bears RB coach with him.

[raw]

Yea, so you're cutting a bunch of starters and only have FA to really replace them. They can of course fit his cap number, but building a winner around it is entirely different.

 

 

yea, unless they were to get Watson with something akin to what they traded for Cutler with it would hamstring the team. Watson would end up where he is: a super talented QB on a team void of another talent.

 

Draft a qb, or get lucky with Prescott

 

Right. The Bears really don’t have any other assets to trade. So they’d probably be looking at minimum their next three first round draft picks for Watson.

The thing is, with the 20th pick, they're probably looking at 2 first round picks to get a QB that has 0 experience. So 3 for Watson isn't a deal breaker at all for me.

 

The issue I have is all the extra picks. When you start giving up 2nds and 3rds is where these trades can really go bad. Can't go 2-3 years without adding a top 90 pick in any of those drafts.

 

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[Sosa21MVP]

The LIons hired Brad Holmes from the Rams as their new GM. The good news is that Ed Dodds was right there in the running, and he's a candidate a lot of Bears fans wanted. So, if he doesn't get a job this cycle he may be there for the Bears next year if they ever move on from Pace. The bad news (at least for me personally) is that since he's from the Rams, this could mean Brandon Staley is a strong candidate for the HC job....and he's probably my favorite candidate for the Bears next coach.

 

And Staley might poach Jay Rodgers

 

 

I guess I don't pay enough attention but it just now dawned on me that is the Jay Rodgers that played QB at IU when I was in school. The main thing I remember about Jay is running into him drunk one night outside a bar wearing my Bears hat and him yelling DA BEARS. Then he later became a Bears coach. Interesting only to me, I suppose. lol

[raw]

The LIons hired Brad Holmes from the Rams as their new GM. The good news is that Ed Dodds was right there in the running, and he's a candidate a lot of Bears fans wanted. So, if he doesn't get a job this cycle he may be there for the Bears next year if they ever move on from Pace. The bad news (at least for me personally) is that since he's from the Rams, this could mean Brandon Staley is a strong candidate for the HC job....and he's probably my favorite candidate for the Bears next coach.

 

And Staley might poach Jay Rodgers

 

 

I guess I don't pay enough attention but it just now dawned on me that is the Jay Rodgers that played QB at IU when I was in school. The main thing I remember about Jay is running into him drunk one night outside a bar wearing my Bears hat and him yelling DA BEARS. Then he later became a Bears coach. Interesting only to me, I suppose. lol

 

And I just realized that I was also there at the same time. I knew he played QB at IU but I never bothered to look when. He apparently threw 10 INTs as a freshman the year I was actually on the team with him. Lol.

 

Funny thing is I completely remember the starter that year (1996), Chris Dittoe. And I remember Rodgers' backup the next year, Earl Haniford. I also remember Antwaan Randle El came in 1998 and then 1997 starter lost his job and transferred, but had no idea this is who it was until right now.

 

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