Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[bjam12]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

[WrigleyField 22]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

Supposedly Phillys owner doesn't want to eat Wentzs contract and wants to salvage him, which is why Pederson was fired, as he wanted to move on. So I don't think it will be Wentz.

 

Ryan will be interesting to watch. His cap number still is pretty tough to swallow in 2021. In 2022 it becomes much easier to cut or trade him. So even if they might draft a successor he'd be a good, albeit expensive, one year bridge.

 

Stafford seems more realistic than either of those.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

Supposedly Phillys owner doesn't want to eat Wentzs contract and wants to salvage him, which is why Pederson was fired, as he wanted to move on. So I don't think it will be Wentz.

 

Ryan will be interesting to watch. His cap number still is pretty tough to swallow in 2021. In 2022 it becomes much easier to cut or trade him. So even if they might draft a successor he'd be a good, albeit expensive, one year bridge.

 

Stafford seems more realistic than either of those.

 

God I have seen this movie so many times.

[WrigleyField 22]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

Supposedly Phillys owner doesn't want to eat Wentzs contract and wants to salvage him, which is why Pederson was fired, as he wanted to move on. So I don't think it will be Wentz.

 

Ryan will be interesting to watch. His cap number still is pretty tough to swallow in 2021. In 2022 it becomes much easier to cut or trade him. So even if they might draft a successor he'd be a good, albeit expensive, one year bridge.

 

Stafford seems more realistic than either of those.

 

God I have seen this movie so many times.

To be clear, we are probably at Lloyd Christmas "so you're telling me there's a chance" levels of acquiring a veteran top half of the league type starter. But 1 in a hundred is more likely than 1 in a million.

 

Particularly with Stafford, there's some rumors Denver could be interested. And unless the Bears blow Detroit away with an offer, they'd probably move him to Denver all being the same.

 

The good thing with Stafford is Detroit has motivation t move him before March 17 because of a roster bonus. So we won't spend all offseason speculating about the possibility.

[champaignchris]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

 

I don’t like the idea of the Bears picking up Wentz.

 

Physically, Wentz and Trubisky are completely different QBs, but in terms of production, they’ve put up very similar numbers, and at two years older, he’s much more of a finished product than Trubisky is.

 

Between the two at the same price, I’d rather have Trubisky.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

 

I don’t like the idea of the Bears picking up Wentz.

 

Physically, Wentz and Trubisky are completely different QBs, but in terms of production, they’ve put up very similar numbers, and at two years older, he’s much more of a finished product than Trubisky is.

 

Between the two at the same price, I’d rather have Trubisky.

 

I'd rather have Watson, but yea Trubisky and Wentz aren't all that different in production. Might as well go with price

 

also, am I the only one who thinks Geo Mc could have pulled the three (Phillips, Pace, and Nagy) in and said "you guys created this, you have 1 year to win the div and go deep in the playoffs or you're all gone"? at least I hope that was the meeting they had.

[d_money]

I could see him doing it to Pace and Nagy but not Phillips.

[raw]

I posted in the "other teams" thread about the QBs in the AFC vs. the NFC, and the more I think about it, the more I am OK with the Bears taking a(nother) big swing at the QB position. The NFC is ripe for the taking long-term for anyone who gets a young franchise QB. Just not a lot of good QBs in the conference under age 32. The NFC teams that pulls Zach Wilson or Justin Fields (if neither goes to the Jets) will have a leg up on the conference long-term. Dak is probably top 5-7 in the league and still young, so if he's made available I think the Bears go hard after him, but other than that, Kyler Murray is the best young QB in the NFC.

 

The Bears are in competition with SF, WFT, and maybe DET, NO, Atlanta, and Carolina for QBs this offseason. Whichever of these teams can come out of this draft with one of the top 4 can set themselves up for long-term success in the NFC.

[raw]

I would bet that the Bears end up with Wentz or Ryan this offseason. More likely Wentz because he's younger and knows the system.

 

I don’t like the idea of the Bears picking up Wentz.

 

Physically, Wentz and Trubisky are completely different QBs, but in terms of production, they’ve put up very similar numbers, and at two years older, he’s much more of a finished product than Trubisky is.

 

Between the two at the same price, I’d rather have Trubisky.

 

That's an understandable conclusion, but Wentz has at least done things in his career that Mitch hasn't come close to. The last 2 years the numbers are similar, with Wentz having more turnovers. But Wentz's previous 2 years was top 5 QB performance. Obviously, things like salary and the fact that Wentz would require trade capital matters, but at this point I'm pretty sure Nagy doesn't want Trubisky back and them together just doesn't work. The Bears have to be better at QB, but if that's not possible, they at least have to be "different" at QB. Wentz would be different, with a chance to be better if his receivers and OL can stay healthy.

[Bertz]

By Football Outsiders dYAR (DVOA translated into yards essentially), Wentz was further below replacement level than Russell Wilson was above it this season.

 

HELL. NO.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

https://twitter.com/lukezim/status/1350883741326041088?s=21

[BigbadB]

The receiver situation in Philadelphia has been much more putrid than the Bears during the Wentz era. Ertz saved him from having no one to throw to at times. I'm on board if Phily was willing to move him. Doesn't seem all that likely if the new coach wants Wentz to stay.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

[CaliforniaRaisin]

[WrigleyField 22]

I believe they interviewed him for the HC job a few years ago.

[raw]

I'd rather have Rodgers or Desai than any of these outside guys who have never been coordinators. I'd hate to lose Jay Rodgers, but he's not under contract and it sounds like he could join Staley in LA. But Sam Acho said on twitter that Desai is Staley 2.0. Brilliant defensive mind, who the Bears blocked from leaving with Fangio (they did not block Staley).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'd rather have Rodgers or Desai than any of these outside guys who have never been coordinators. I'd hate to lose Jay Rodgers, but he's not under contract and it sounds like he could join Staley in LA. But Sam Acho said on twitter that Desai is Staley 2.0. Brilliant defensive mind, who the Bears blocked from leaving with Fangio (they did not block Staley).

 

I'm with you on that. Hire a Fangio protégé internally if the hire won't have DC experience and that Acho tweet really got me excited.

 

(Not gonna lie, having an Indian American defensive coordinator would be awesome.)

[gflore34]

Hypothetically what would it take for the Bears to acquire Watson? 2021 1st round pick and Mack or, firsts in '21 and '22? Do not know much about NFL trade mechanisms nor am I certain Nagy can get it right with Watson. Do know Watson managed to put up impressive numbers with a collection of receivers arguably worst than those of the Bears. Along with a worse OL, RB and TE.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hypothetically what would it take for the Bears to acquire Watson? 2021 1st round pick and Mack or, firsts in '21 and '22? Do not know much about NFL trade mechanisms nor am I certain Nagy can get it right with Watson. Do know Watson managed to put up impressive numbers with a collection of receivers arguably worst than those of the Bears. Along with a worse OL, RB and TE.

Start with multiple 1sts and build from there. They'd have no use for Mack.

[ChiCubsFan]

Hypothetically what would it take for the Bears to acquire Watson? 2021 1st round pick and Mack or, firsts in '21 and '22? Do not know much about NFL trade mechanisms nor am I certain Nagy can get it right with Watson. Do know Watson managed to put up impressive numbers with a collection of receivers arguably worst than those of the Bears. Along with a worse OL, RB and TE.

 

3 first rounders and some additional day 2/3 picks.

 

Texans wouldn’t want Mack.

[raw]

Hypothetically what would it take for the Bears to acquire Watson? 2021 1st round pick and Mack or, firsts in '21 and '22? Do not know much about NFL trade mechanisms nor am I certain Nagy can get it right with Watson. Do know Watson managed to put up impressive numbers with a collection of receivers arguably worst than those of the Bears. Along with a worse OL, RB and TE.

 

The theory is that he will be the first player to get 3 first round picks in a trade. The Texans don't really have a ton of cap space (though losing Watson would help some of that), so I don't see them taking a player back that's NOT on a rookie deal.

 

For a team like the Dolphins, with a young QB and a high 1st, I think Watson could be had for: Tua, #3 overall, #18 overall, 2021 3rd round pick, 2022 2nd round pick.

 

For the Bears, who don't have a young QB to trade and pick 20th, I think it would take more like: 2021 1st round pick, 2021 3rd round pick, 2022 1st round pick, 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 1st round pick. Probably get a pick back from the Texans in the 4th round in 2022.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears don't really have a shot unless Watson tries to steer himself to the Bears specifically. What they could do is act as a third party to acquire a QB from a team that ultimately gets Watson. Don't ask me for details.

[gflore34]

Hypothetically what would it take for the Bears to acquire Watson? 2021 1st round pick and Mack or, firsts in '21 and '22? Do not know much about NFL trade mechanisms nor am I certain Nagy can get it right with Watson. Do know Watson managed to put up impressive numbers with a collection of receivers arguably worst than those of the Bears. Along with a worse OL, RB and TE.

 

3 first rounders and some additional day 2/3 picks.

 

Texans wouldn’t want Mack.

 

With Mack I was thinking about offsetting the additional salary they'd have to take on or something such. Saw someone mentioned the Texans not having much cap space so, trading a big salary and taking on a big salary is probably not in their interests.

Edited January 19, 2021 by gflore34

[gflore34]

The Bears don't really have a shot unless Watson tries to steer himself to the Bears specifically. What they could do is act as a third party to acquire a QB from a team that ultimately gets Watson. Don't ask me for details.

 

And that doesn't sound like a QB solution for the Bears.

[raw]

The Bears don't really have a shot unless Watson tries to steer himself to the Bears specifically. What they could do is act as a third party to acquire a QB from a team that ultimately gets Watson. Don't ask me for details.

 

Agreed. Watson also has a no-trade clause, so he can basically pick where he wants to go. If the other QB needy teams (Miami, SF, NYJ, maybe Den, Det, Carolina) want him they'll offer a more attractive package than the Bears can possibly put together. Houston most likely also wants a young QB in return so most of those team also have that with a couple of them additionally having very high draft picks.

 

If the Bears are smart (they aren't) they would definitely act as a 3rd party to pick up any potential scraps. Not just in a Watson trade either. If Denver goes after Stafford as rumored, they should be in on Drew Lock. If SF goes after someone, they should be in on Jimmy G (with restructured contract or after he's cut). Same for Darnold, Carr, Bridgewater, whoever. I don't even want most of these guys, but the Bears probably have to grab one of these or trade into the top 8 in this draft.