Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[gflore34]

With Rodgers creating a story about potentially leaving GB, to join Stafford, Watson and long list of other QBs likely to change teams this year I get a feeling that Pace is going to get involved, give up a draft picks but somehow not finish with a new QB.

 

I was trying to figure out what is the most Bears outcome to this situation and figured it was either giving up too much for Darnold or acquiring Wentz without any relief for his salary factored in. But I don't think Wentz is going anywhere now so the second most likely may be Pace bidding against himself and somehow giving Mitch 3 years with no cap relief in years 2 and 3.

Give up 3 1sts for Rodgers and then he retires next year after an 8-8 finish. Packers select HOF QB Mac Jones with one of those picks.

 

That is the most Bear outcome.

 

I liked the one above however, this one is most fantastic and damaging. With the Bears its what's the dumbest current move that'll negatively impact the future this one is certainly comes close.

[Bertz]

I think the most Bears thing would be to trade a ransom for Watson, and have it turn out that this was his career year and he's more good than great. Basically a replay of the Cutler saga.

 

The most Pace thing that could happen is clearly Wentz IMO. Trade fairly significant draft capital for Wentz, despite his huge contract. Be correct in predicting a big rebound. Congrats, you now have the 13th best QB in the NFL, but you're paying him like a Pro Bowler and you gave up three Day 2 picks for the privilege.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

[jersey cubs fan]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

Hell yes baby, go big or go home!

[minnesotacubsfan]

Minshew, right?

 

hahahaha

[Bertz]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

 

If Dak hits FA, I'd be ecstatic to give him an outrageous contract. Otherwise this terrifies me.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

 

If Dak hits FA, I'd be ecstatic to give him an outrageous contract. Otherwise this terrifies me.

 

horsefeathers it . lets go deep

[jersey cubs fan]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

 

If Dak hits FA, I'd be ecstatic to give him an outrageous contract. Otherwise this terrifies me.

 

horsefeathers it . lets go deep

[WrigleyField 22]

The "set the franchise back" thing is overrated anyways. It's usually said by people who either don't understand the cap or don't understand what a sunk cost is.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think the most Bears thing would be to trade a ransom for Watson, and have it turn out that this was his career year and he's more good than great. Basically a replay of the Cutler saga.

 

This thinking is why I'm not gungho about the Jets trading for Watson. His arm strength really leaves alot to be desired, it's long forgotten but his velocity at the combine was *really* bad. I haven't even considered him the Texans' best offensive player, that would be Tunsil, over the past two years

 

its not forgotten, its the #1 reason I had Trubisky over Watson. I know he carved up Alabama, but lack of arm strength sucks in the nfl*. How do you sling back a 750 of vodka and go deep the way the GREAT ORTON did?

 

of course, I had noooo idea who Patrick Mahomes was. never heard of him

 

 

*old man patronage taken liberally here

[gflore34]

I think the most Bears thing would be to trade a ransom for Watson, and have it turn out that this was his career year and he's more good than great. Basically a replay of the Cutler saga.

 

The most Pace thing that could happen is clearly Wentz IMO. Trade fairly significant draft capital for Wentz, despite his huge contract. Be correct in predicting a big rebound. Congrats, you now have the 13th best QB in the NFL, but you're paying him like a Pro Bowler and you gave up three Day 2 picks for the privilege.

 

This about Watson.

[Bertz]

Time to set the franchise back 5 years!

 

 

If Dak hits FA, I'd be ecstatic to give him an outrageous contract. Otherwise this terrifies me.

 

horsefeathers it . lets go deep

 

I'm cool with going deep. My biggest worry is that Ryan Pace is going to pay going deep prices for someone who is decidedly not deep, like Matt Stafford.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

If Dak hits FA, I'd be ecstatic to give him an outrageous contract. Otherwise this terrifies me.

 

horsefeathers it . lets go deep

 

I'm cool with going deep. My biggest worry is that Ryan Pace is going to pay going deep prices for someone who is decidedly not deep, like Matt Stafford.

 

totally possible

 

on the other hand, maybe he's learned his lesson

[WrigleyField 22]

 

horsefeathers it . lets go deep

 

I'm cool with going deep. My biggest worry is that Ryan Pace is going to pay going deep prices for someone who is decidedly not deep, like Matt Stafford.

 

totally possible

 

on the other hand, maybe he's learned his lesson

If we're being as objective as possible about Pace, while he is agressive, it's not like he gives up high level assets for super dumb things. Like sure he gave up a lot for Mack, but that was a really big, cool, piece. And he's given up smaller pieces to move up for guys like Trubisky, Floyd, Jackson, and Montgomery, which has arguably added up over time, but it's not like classic late 90s Bears giving up a first for Mirer.

 

If he goes and trades like 2 first rounders for Carson Wentz, I guess we'll say the other moves were warning signs, but I actually don't read him as a guy just wildly misreading the market.

[raw]

 

I'm cool with going deep. My biggest worry is that Ryan Pace is going to pay going deep prices for someone who is decidedly not deep, like Matt Stafford.

 

totally possible

 

on the other hand, maybe he's learned his lesson

If we're being as objective as possible about Pace, while he is agressive, it's not like he gives up high level assets for super dumb things. Like sure he gave up a lot for Mack, but that was a really big, cool, piece. And he's given up smaller pieces to move up for guys like Trubisky, Floyd, Jackson, and Montgomery, which has arguably added up over time, but it's not like classic late 90s Bears giving up a first for Mirer.

 

If he goes and trades like 2 first rounders for Carson Wentz, I guess we'll say the other moves were warning signs, but I actually don't read him as a guy just wildly misreading the market.

 

I agree with this 100%. Mack was his bold move because he thought he had his QB. I guess Robinson could be considered a big move, because he was the highest paid FA WR that year. But every move Pace has made has been with the frame of mind that Trubisky either was his QB or could be his long-term QB. Even down to the Brady and Bridgewater interest last offseason. The Bears probably could have gone a little more for either QB, but wanted to give Trubisky 1 more shot. I think this year, Pace is more desperate than he has ever been. As mediocre as this team is, they still have gone 28-20 with 2 playoff berths with bottom 1/3 QB play. So, I have no doubt Pace will give up as much as it takes to add an elite QB or elite QB prospect.

[gflore34]

 

totally possible

 

on the other hand, maybe he's learned his lesson

If we're being as objective as possible about Pace, while he is agressive, it's not like he gives up high level assets for super dumb things. Like sure he gave up a lot for Mack, but that was a really big, cool, piece. And he's given up smaller pieces to move up for guys like Trubisky, Floyd, Jackson, and Montgomery, which has arguably added up over time, but it's not like classic late 90s Bears giving up a first for Mirer.

 

If he goes and trades like 2 first rounders for Carson Wentz, I guess we'll say the other moves were warning signs, but I actually don't read him as a guy just wildly misreading the market.

 

I agree with this 100%. Mack was his bold move because he thought he had his QB. I guess Robinson could be considered a big move, because he was the highest paid FA WR that year. But every move Pace has made has been with the frame of mind that Trubisky either was his QB or could be his long-term QB. Even down to the Brady and Bridgewater interest last offseason. The Bears probably could have gone a little more for either QB, but wanted to give Trubisky 1 more shot. I think this year, Pace is more desperate than he has ever been. As mediocre as this team is, they still have gone 28-20 with 2 playoff berths with bottom 1/3 QB play. So, I have no doubt Pace will give up as much as it takes to add an elite QB or elite QB prospect.

 

Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

[jersey cubs fan]

Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

Yes, some of Mitch's success was also do to the fact that he had a good deal of talent. But he was dumb as a box of rocks and incapable of making basic plays against decent teams. I think referring to Nagy as gutless is a reach when the fact is he didn't have any faith in Mitch and that lack of faith was entirely deserved. I trust that Nagy can make this a productive offense with a good QB. It's still way up in the air whether they can actually accomplish that part of it, but I doubt they still struggle to score so badly if they actually do get a real QB.

[gflore34]

Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

Yes, some of Mitch's success was also do to the fact that he had a good deal of talent. But he was dumb as a box of rocks and incapable of making basic plays against decent teams. I think referring to Nagy as gutless is a reach when the fact is he didn't have any faith in Mitch and that lack of faith was entirely deserved. I trust that Nagy can make this a productive offense with a good QB. It's still way up in the air whether they can actually accomplish that part of it, but I doubt they still struggle to score so badly if they actually do get a real QB.

 

Gutless coming from the playoff game, literally no expectations, playing with house money and still wasn't aggressive. If they ever was a game in which to let it all fly, consequences be damned, that was certainly the game.

[raw]

Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

Yes, some of Mitch's success was also do to the fact that he had a good deal of talent. But he was dumb as a box of rocks and incapable of making basic plays against decent teams. I think referring to Nagy as gutless is a reach when the fact is he didn't have any faith in Mitch and that lack of faith was entirely deserved. I trust that Nagy can make this a productive offense with a good QB. It's still way up in the air whether they can actually accomplish that part of it, but I doubt they still struggle to score so badly if they actually do get a real QB.

 

Gutless coming from the playoff game, literally no expectations, playing with house money and still wasn't aggressive. If they ever was a game in which to let it all fly, consequences be damned, that was certainly the game.

 

Yeah, that pissed me off too. He could've let Mitch be aggressive and if he was bad, go to Foles. I don't think anyone would have blamed him for it in that situation.

 

But look at it like this, if the Bears do get a marked improvement at QB, and there is no significant uptick in offense....then in 2022, we get a new coach in here that can run an offense and hopefully, for the first time in franchise history, the Bears already come equipped with a franchise QB. Just get the QB worry about the rest later.

[gflore34]

Yes, some of Mitch's success was also do to the fact that he had a good deal of talent. But he was dumb as a box of rocks and incapable of making basic plays against decent teams. I think referring to Nagy as gutless is a reach when the fact is he didn't have any faith in Mitch and that lack of faith was entirely deserved. I trust that Nagy can make this a productive offense with a good QB. It's still way up in the air whether they can actually accomplish that part of it, but I doubt they still struggle to score so badly if they actually do get a real QB.

 

Gutless coming from the playoff game, literally no expectations, playing with house money and still wasn't aggressive. If they ever was a game in which to let it all fly, consequences be damned, that was certainly the game.

 

Yeah, that pissed me off too. He could've let Mitch be aggressive and if he was bad, go to Foles. I don't think anyone would have blamed him for it in that situation.

 

But look at it like this, if the Bears do get a marked improvement at QB, and there is no significant uptick in offense....then in 2022, we get a new coach in here that can run an offense and hopefully, for the first time in franchise history, the Bears already come equipped with a franchise QB. Just get the QB worry about the rest later.

 

The QB part, as many have said perhaps, the hardest part to get right, is Pace capable? Thus far, he has a very poor QB track record, this time the job is on the line, desperate people sometimes, do stupid desperate things.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

If we're being as objective as possible about Pace, while he is agressive, it's not like he gives up high level assets for super dumb things. Like sure he gave up a lot for Mack, but that was a really big, cool, piece. And he's given up smaller pieces to move up for guys like Trubisky, Floyd, Jackson, and Montgomery, which has arguably added up over time, but it's not like classic late 90s Bears giving up a first for Mirer.

 

If he goes and trades like 2 first rounders for Carson Wentz, I guess we'll say the other moves were warning signs, but I actually don't read him as a guy just wildly misreading the market.

 

I agree with this 100%. Mack was his bold move because he thought he had his QB. I guess Robinson could be considered a big move, because he was the highest paid FA WR that year. But every move Pace has made has been with the frame of mind that Trubisky either was his QB or could be his long-term QB. Even down to the Brady and Bridgewater interest last offseason. The Bears probably could have gone a little more for either QB, but wanted to give Trubisky 1 more shot. I think this year, Pace is more desperate than he has ever been. As mediocre as this team is, they still have gone 28-20 with 2 playoff berths with bottom 1/3 QB play. So, I have no doubt Pace will give up as much as it takes to add an elite QB or elite QB prospect.

 

Say Pace is able to get a marked improvement at QB, do we trust that'll translate to an uptick in offense under Nagy? I'm not certain it'll happen, he's gutless and has a tendency of playing not to lose against good teams. Sure Mitch sucked, didn't help he was deliberately handcuffed, not all of the success Mitch had was because he was facing bad defenses. Most of it, maybe, 95%, but, still, not all.

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

*sigh* It's incredibly obvious what's about to happen.

 

We're going to go after a veteran QB because Pace and Nagy are convinced that it was Trubisky that held it all back (which, they kind of have a point, but sucks to be you, we still need a rebuild to reach championship caliber. Window's closed).

 

In an offseason where tons of QBs are available, Pace will fixate on one that is "his guy" and pay a premium for him.

 

Then we'll enter the season with a shallow roster depending on aging big names, win somewhere between 6 and 11 games, and get shitkicked in the playoffs if we get there.

 

No QB will be drafted, or at least not in the first few rounds.

[UK]

*sigh* It's incredibly obvious what's about to happen.

 

We're going to go after a veteran QB because Pace and Nagy are convinced that it was Trubisky that held it all back (which, they kind of have a point, but sucks to be you, we still need a rebuild to reach championship caliber. Window's closed).

 

In an offseason where tons of QBs are available, Pace will fixate on one that is "his guy" and pay a premium for him.

 

Then we'll enter the season with a shallow roster depending on aging big names, win somewhere between 6 and 11 games, and get horsefeathers in the playoffs if we get there.

 

No QB will be drafted, or at least not in the first few rounds.

 

I'm expecting Jimmy G or Darnold, with Garoppolo being the likely one of the two.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

*sigh* It's incredibly obvious what's about to happen.

 

We're going to go after a veteran QB because Pace and Nagy are convinced that it was Trubisky that held it all back (which, they kind of have a point, but sucks to be you, we still need a rebuild to reach championship caliber. Window's closed).

 

In an offseason where tons of QBs are available, Pace will fixate on one that is "his guy" and pay a premium for him.

 

Then we'll enter the season with a shallow roster depending on aging big names, win somewhere between 6 and 11 games, and get horsefeathers in the playoffs if we get there.

 

No QB will be drafted, or at least not in the first few rounds.

 

I'm expecting Jimmy G or Darnold, with Garoppolo being the likely one of the two.

 

Jimmy G is my guess too.

 

Unless it's Dak or Watson, I hope they don't trade draft picks.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

This feels like a chicken or egg situation that we can't answer yet because Nagy never had a chance to run an offense with a competent QB.

 

this is dumb because while Mitch turned out not to be the answer, Nagy knew who he was when he took the job and at the time glowingly talked about him. Nagy was brought in to develop Mitch, not install his offense. Somehow, that has reversed. Nagy shares responsibility in the mess