Jacque Jones Traded to Detroit for Omar Infante

[Mizzou]

Yeah, there's that one report that says it. I guess we won't know anything for sure until the trade is officially announced. I'd be shocked if we don't come out ahead in money though.

[BigbadB]

hendry is going to have a boner for "versatility" this offseason, i can just tell.

 

Why? Did the Red Sox win with versatility?

 

No. Boston didn't trade a starting pitcher (Maddux) or a starting OF (Jones) for their utility infielder though. They traded a crappy utility infielder for a crappy utility infielder. (Ramon Vasquez for Alex Cora).

[CubinNY]

I'd be shocked if we don't come out ahead in money though.

You are easily shocked.

 

If you think Cedeno is worthless, wait until you get a glimpse at Infante.

[santofan10]

Possibly the dumbest trade during Hendry's tenure. Unless the Cubs add a differance maker in either RF or CF the outfield is shot to poop. Not only does this deal make no sense for the Cubs money wise (as we are paying a portion of J.Jones' salery), but it further adds to the plethora of middle infielders that we already have. That being said what is to happen with DeRosa, who was arguably the Cubs MVP this year. Horrible move.

[SouthSideRyan]

Madness. Do you really hate Ronny Cedeno that much that you had to make a horrible trade to get rid of him? This trade is all about Hendry's middle infield fetish and his not bein comfortable with Ronny filling a role of playing in 40 games a year. Hendry must go.

[Lefty]

if the cubs' only OF option is fukodome, and they somehow end up not getting him, they will have a really bad OF next year.

 

Hendry putting all his bags in one basket and not getting his man? Could never happen. :wink:

[BigbadB]

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

The teams who lost out on the Fukudome sweepstakes could have interest in Jones. And if you can't get anymore value than Infante, you might as well just keep Jones. An outfielder could get hurt in ST, increasing Jone's trade value.

 

Hendry just traded a guy who's value couldn't be any lower. He's famous for that. I really don't understand it, other than Hendry felt he owed it to an unhappy player to move him.

[SouthSideRyan]

The problem is how little salary relief we wind up with. Somebody would take Jones for 1/5.5 Instead at bare minimum we're saving 3.5M, and with the report we're chipping in money, I bet they split the difference and we save less than 2M. When Miguel Tejada isn't wearing Cub pinstripes on opening day, this(along with other stupid signgings/trades to come) will be the reason we couldn't afford him. It's like he's learned nothing in the past 5 years.

[PrimeTime]

Its official...Thanks alot hendry for that trade just improves the team so much..Its because of you I want to rip my hair out and get that deprssed being a cubs fan. The day your gone will be a celebration like no other.

[CuseCubFan69]

Give this some time guys, it'll shake out in the end. Hendry can't be that stupid. I admit he isn't brilliant but he isn't that clueless either.

[moorecg]

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

The teams who lost out on the Fukudome sweepstakes could have interest in Jones. And if you can't get anymore value than Infante, you might as well just keep Jones. An outfielder could get hurt in ST, increasing Jone's trade value.

 

Hendry just traded a guy who's value couldn't be any lower. He's famous for that. I really don't understand it, other than Hendry felt he owed it to an unhappy player to move him.

 

Actually...Jones' value was substantially lower about 6 months ago...when he was hitting .202 with no power...The fact that he got his BA up to .285 probably makes him interesting to a couple teams...

[JeffH]

Check out the "Similar Batters through Age 25" down at the bottom. LOL!

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/i/infanom01.shtml

[Outshined_One]

I'm going to wait and see what the details of this deal are before passing judgment. Jones for Infante straight up is ludicrous, but if there are prospects and/or cash considerations involved, I'll give it some more thought.

 

By the way, this isn't Hendry's worst move by a longshot. Hell, it's not even the worst move he's made in the past 3 months.

[Mizzou]

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

The teams who lost out on the Fukudome sweepstakes could have interest in Jones. And if you can't get anymore value than Infante, you might as well just keep Jones. An outfielder could get hurt in ST, increasing Jone's trade value.

 

Hendry just traded a guy who's value couldn't be any lower. He's famous for that. I really don't understand it, other than Hendry felt he owed it to an unhappy player to move him.

I see what you're saying. Still though, with the Cubs having already signed their starting CF-er, they wouldn't have much leverage in negotiations to deal Jones.

 

To your second point, he absolutely did not trade him when his value couldn't be any lower. Making that Florida trade last year would have been trading him at his lowest value. The guy hit .330 in the 2nd half last year, with an OPS+ of 116. ...which should cue the "that's all Hendry could get for a guy who dominated in the 2nd half?!" posts.

 

This looks like a positive move to me right now. It could look better or worse, depending on if there are any prospects being included, and how much (if any) money is being exchanged. I hope all that info comes out quickly.

[Lefty]

Careerwise Infante is .271/.316/.425 on the road in a superior league. Forget what we've read. Maybe he can play shortstop; maybe he hits .280/.330/.450 for us?

 

Market has sold off since the trade became official so what do I know.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Lefty

[E.J.]

Ken Rosenthal[/url]"]

The Infante-for-Jones deal, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, became official early Monday afternoon, according to major-league sources.

 

Infante, a right-handed hitter, likely will play second base, shortstop and center field for the Cubs. His addition will not preclude the Cubs from pursuing second baseman Kaz Matsui as a free agent, but the team's greater priority is finding a left-handed hitting outfielder.

 

The Rockies remain hopeful of re-signing Matsui, a switch-hitter, before Tuesday, the first day that teams can negotiate with other clubs' free agents. If the Cubs signed Matsui, they still would plan to play Mark DeRosa five days a week.

 

DeRosa could alternate with Matsui, spell third baseman Aramis Ramirez and also play right against certain left-handed pitchers. He could also start at first on occasion, giving Derrek Lee an occasional day off.

[BigbadB]

Actually...Jones' value was substantially lower about 6 months ago...when he was hitting .202 with no power...The fact that he got his BA up to .285 probably makes him interesting to a couple teams...

 

Production-wise, you are correct. Perception-wise, his value today couldn't have been any lower. Every team in the league knew Hendry wanted to move Jones. Why offer something good when he might accept something bad?

 

Kind of like he just did.

[Outshined_One]

So, I'm guessing this means Felix Pie is getting thrown into the fire next season as the starting CF?

[PrimeTime]

They said the wanted to get more " speed " in there..Welcome to the Freddy Bynum Expirience part 2

[Keener98]

Give this some time guys, it'll shake out in the end. Hendry can't be that stupid. I admit he isn't brilliant but he isn't that clueless either.

 

Yes he is. Trachsel? Neifi Perez? Jose Macias? I mean really he is clueless.

[Derwood]

worst hendry deal? the Trachsel and Pierre trades were way, way worse

[Outshined_One]

Ken Rosenthal[/url]"]

The Infante-for-Jones deal, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, became official early Monday afternoon, according to major-league sources.

 

Infante, a right-handed hitter, likely will play second base, shortstop and center field for the Cubs. His addition will not preclude the Cubs from pursuing second baseman Kaz Matsui as a free agent, but the team's greater priority is finding a left-handed hitting outfielder.

 

The Rockies remain hopeful of re-signing Matsui, a switch-hitter, before Tuesday, the first day that teams can negotiate with other clubs' free agents. If the Cubs signed Matsui, they still would plan to play Mark DeRosa five days a week.

 

DeRosa could alternate with Matsui, spell third baseman Aramis Ramirez and also play right against certain left-handed pitchers. He could also start at first on occasion, giving Derrek Lee an occasional day off.

 

Oh God no...please no...

[E.J.]

Anyway we can get MLB to freeze the Cubs' roster until after the sale of the team? That way Hendry can't do anymore damage. I'm willing to live with a crappy team next year.

[Keener98]

Ken Rosenthal[/url]"]

The Infante-for-Jones deal, first reported by the Detroit Free Press, became official early Monday afternoon, according to major-league sources.

 

Infante, a right-handed hitter, likely will play second base, shortstop and center field for the Cubs. His addition will not preclude the Cubs from pursuing second baseman Kaz Matsui as a free agent, but the team's greater priority is finding a left-handed hitting outfielder.

 

The Rockies remain hopeful of re-signing Matsui, a switch-hitter, before Tuesday, the first day that teams can negotiate with other clubs' free agents. If the Cubs signed Matsui, they still would plan to play Mark DeRosa five days a week.

 

DeRosa could alternate with Matsui, spell third baseman Aramis Ramirez and also play right against certain left-handed pitchers. He could also start at first on occasion, giving Derrek Lee an occasional day off.

 

For the love of God, just let DeRosa play 2nd base, and spell Aram. Quit playing him in the OF, so you can have crap players like Infante, or Matsui play.

[Moonlight Graham]

IMO ,we cannot judge this trade until we see what other moves happen because of this.