Jacque Jones Traded to Detroit for Omar Infante

[cbbryan]

This may just be a pre-cursor for signing Fukudome. Depending on what the $$ numbers are that Hendry can work with.

 

I do think they want to play Pie in CF fulltime, though. And I'm happy with that decision.

[BigbadB]

if the cubs' only OF option is fukodome, and they somehow end up not getting him, they will have a really bad OF next year.

 

Other rumored possibilities have been Carl Crawford, Milton Bradley, Jose Guillen and probably a couple of other guys I forgot about.

[jersey cubs fan]

if the cubs' only OF option is fukodome, and they somehow end up not getting him, they will have a really bad OF next year.

 

Quite possibly. Although I can't see them going with Soriano, Pie and Murton, regardless of where Fukudome ends up.

[Mizzou]

This is hilarious. For two years now, most of NSBB has been slamming Jacque and wanting him ran out of town at any cost. And for awhile, you couldn't go 5 posts without someone bitching about Felix Pie's lack of playing time. So Hendry (apparently) finds a taker for Jacque, and even manages to free up 3 million dollars in the process. NSBB's reaction? Hatred of the move, of course.

 

Get a grip, people. The player who you have wanted gone for two years is about to be gone. The golden boy Felix Pie appears to be the frontrunner for the CF position at this point. What more do you want? Stop complaining.

 

NSBB is not one person with a singular opinion.

 

I was one of the most anti-Jones people here, but I didn't want him gone "at any cost."

 

This deal doesn't improve the team. It puts them in a slightly better financial position, but it may preclude them from improving the one position that had next to no hope of even looking average next year.

 

I'm not sure you're ever going to be people happy to see another mediocre middle infielder acquired.

 

What more do you want?

 

I want actual good baseball players to play for the Cubs, enough so that the team can win 95-100 games and realistically contend for the world series. What I don't want is a GM who is given a ton of money to spend but only comes up with mediocrity, at best.

I know that NSBB is not one person with a singular opinion. That's why I said "most of."

 

I can't say I'm thrilled to see Omar Infante coming aboard, but he's simply a backup infielder. Big deal. Every team has these guys sitting on their bench. We're now capable of upgrading in CF, and we have an extra 3 million dollars to spend. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.

 

Also, does anyone remember who we were to receive in that Florida trade that never happened?

[inari]

While I really want Fukudome, would Soriano-Pie-Murton be that bad? We really have no idea what to expect from Pie, but it's reasonable to expect an OPS above .850 from Soriano and one around .810-.830 from Murt. It all comes down to Pie, and he's going to be playing whether Fukudome comes or not.

[BigbadB]

While I really want Fukudome, would Soriano-Pie-Murton be that bad? We really have no idea what to expect from Pie, but it's reasonable to expect an OPS above .850 from Soriano and one around .810-.830 from Murt. It all comes down to Pie, and he's going to be playing whether Fukudome comes or not.

 

I think there is a zero chance that the Cubs open 2008 with an outfield of Soriano, Pie and Murton.

[inari]

While I really want Fukudome, would Soriano-Pie-Murton be that bad? We really have no idea what to expect from Pie, but it's reasonable to expect an OPS above .850 from Soriano and one around .810-.830 from Murt. It all comes down to Pie, and he's going to be playing whether Fukudome comes or not.

 

I think there is a zero chance that the Cubs open 2008 with an outfield of Soriano, Pie and Murton.

 

Without knowing what can happen out of house, I don't see a better option. I don't really see the Cubs having interest in Luis Gonzalez, even if it's Hendry.

[cbbryan]

if the cubs' only OF option is fukodome, and they somehow end up not getting him, they will have a really bad OF next year.

 

Quite possibly. Although I can't see them going with Soriano, Pie and Murton, regardless of where Fukudome ends up.

 

I agree. I haven't figured out what they consider DeRosa?!?! If the Cubs are serious about Matsui at 2B and Fukudome in RF. I would assume DeRosa would then be the super sub for 2B/RF/3B. If that's the case, I would expect Murton would also be traded.

[E.J.]

MLive.com[/url]"]

Jacque Jones is a .280 career hitter who spent the last two seasons with the Cubs. He had a disappointing 2007 season (only five home runs), and the Cubs repeated tried to trade him. Jones will make $5 million next season, but the Cubs will pay part of that contract.

 

We're also paying part of his contract. Horrible.

Edited November 12, 2007 by E.J.

[Mizzou]

Hmm, this article says that we will be paying part of Jacque's contract next year.

 

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2007/11/tigers_trade_infante_for_jacqu.html

[USSoccer]

MLive.com[/url]"]

Jacque Jones is a .280 career hitter who spent the last two seasons with the Cubs. He had a disappointing 2007 season (only five home runs), and the Cubs repeated tried to trade him. Jones will make $5 million next season, but the Cubs will pay part of that contract.

 

We're also paying part of his contract. Horrible.

 

Jesus, Hendry. Come ON.

 

It's bad enough that we're taking the crappy Infante. But paying Jacque's salary is just stupid.

[BigbadB]

I can't say I'm thrilled to see Omar Infante coming aboard, but he's simply a backup infielder. Big deal. Every team has these guys sitting on their bench. We're now capable of upgrading in CF, and we have an extra 3 million dollars to spend. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.

 

I'm not so sure it's a salary dump. I still think it's Hendry doing Jacque the favor of trading him.

 

Why make this move before free agents are even eligible to be signed? Couldn't Jacque's trade value increase once the biggest free agent losers look to fill their outfield holes? Couldn't the smaller market teams find interest in a guy in the last year of his contract over signing a similar guy to a 3 or 4 year contract?

 

Why trade a guy from a position of weakness compared to trading him from a position of strength?

 

If the Cubs already had Fukudome signed, then you consider trading Jones, not the other way around. Jones made for a decent back up plan if they didn't find an improvement over Jones.

 

Edit: I typed this up before reading the latest info about the Cubs paying part of Jone's contract.

[C.C.]

MLive.com[/url]"]

Jacque Jones is a .280 career hitter who spent the last two seasons with the Cubs. He had a disappointing 2007 season (only five home runs), and the Cubs repeated tried to trade him. Jones will make $5 million next season, but the Cubs will pay part of that contract.

 

We're also paying part of his contract. Horrible.

 

Of course!

[ChiCubsFan]

Now i really dislike the trade. JESUS CHRIST!

 

btw, I kind of like Detroit's platoon of Jones and Thames in LF. Should be good enough production out of that spot for the next year.

[rocket]

is infante really toolsy or is he as terrible as his stats suggest?

 

and what's the consensus on infante's defense? that'd be the only saving grace of this trade, if infante is an incredible defensive shortstop.

[Lefty]

There is no doubt in my mind Hendry has a big trade lined up. He's putting together pieces and something big will happen.

 

As much as I hate Hendry professionally, maybe he already has Fukodome signed. He would need to trade Jones first if he hopes Detroit will take all the salary.

[Mephistopheles]

is infante really toolsy or is he as terrible as his stats suggest?

 

and what's the consensus on infante's defense? that'd be the only saving grace of this trade, if infante is an incredible defensive shortstop.

 

hes got the skills to knock 15-20 hrs and a .260-.270 EqA

 

really Khalil Greene isnt a poor comparison. Not great but a decent one. We also dont get Matsui for three years since we did this.

[ChiCubsFan]

is infante really toolsy or is he as terrible as his stats suggest?

 

and what's the consensus on infante's defense? that'd be the only saving grace of this trade, if infante is an incredible defensive shortstop.

 

In one of the articles posted it said he's unable to play shortstop because of his weak arm. Shoot me now! ](*,)

[E.J.]

is infante really toolsy or is he as terrible as his stats suggest?

 

and what's the consensus on infante's defense? that'd be the only saving grace of this trade, if infante is an incredible defensive shortstop.

 

According to this article Infante has a weak arm, so I don't know if he can even play SS. Looks like we've got another crappy 2b on our hands.

[Lefty]

hendry is going to have a boner for "versatility" this offseason, i can just tell.

 

Why? Did the Red Sox win with versatility?

[Mizzou]

I can't say I'm thrilled to see Omar Infante coming aboard, but he's simply a backup infielder. Big deal. Every team has these guys sitting on their bench. We're now capable of upgrading in CF, and we have an extra 3 million dollars to spend. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.

 

I'm not so sure it's a salary dump. I still think it's Hendry doing Jacque the favor of trading him.

 

Why make this move before free agents are even eligible to be signed? Couldn't Jacque's trade value increase once the biggest free agent losers look to fill their outfield holes? Couldn't the smaller market teams find interest in a guy in the last year of his contract over signing a similar guy to a 3 or 4 year contract?

 

Why trade a guy from a position of weakness compared to trading him from a position of strength?

 

If the Cubs already had Fukudome signed, then you consider trading Jones, not the other way around. Jones made for a decent back up plan if they didn't find an improvement over Jones.

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

[E.J.]

I can't say I'm thrilled to see Omar Infante coming aboard, but he's simply a backup infielder. Big deal. Every team has these guys sitting on their bench. We're now capable of upgrading in CF, and we have an extra 3 million dollars to spend. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.

 

I'm not so sure it's a salary dump. I still think it's Hendry doing Jacque the favor of trading him.

 

Why make this move before free agents are even eligible to be signed? Couldn't Jacque's trade value increase once the biggest free agent losers look to fill their outfield holes? Couldn't the smaller market teams find interest in a guy in the last year of his contract over signing a similar guy to a 3 or 4 year contract?

 

Why trade a guy from a position of weakness compared to trading him from a position of strength?

 

If the Cubs already had Fukudome signed, then you consider trading Jones, not the other way around. Jones made for a decent back up plan if they didn't find an improvement over Jones.

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

There are reports that the Cubs are paying for part of Jones' salary, so we don't have an extra $3 million at the end of the day.

[rocket]

I can't say I'm thrilled to see Omar Infante coming aboard, but he's simply a backup infielder. Big deal. Every team has these guys sitting on their bench. We're now capable of upgrading in CF, and we have an extra 3 million dollars to spend. This is a salary dump, plain and simple.

 

I'm not so sure it's a salary dump. I still think it's Hendry doing Jacque the favor of trading him.

 

Why make this move before free agents are even eligible to be signed? Couldn't Jacque's trade value increase once the biggest free agent losers look to fill their outfield holes? Couldn't the smaller market teams find interest in a guy in the last year of his contract over signing a similar guy to a 3 or 4 year contract?

 

Why trade a guy from a position of weakness compared to trading him from a position of strength?

 

If the Cubs already had Fukudome signed, then you consider trading Jones, not the other way around. Jones made for a decent back up plan if they didn't find an improvement over Jones.

Not sure I follow. You say that it's best to trade a guy from a position of strength (which I agree with), then go on to say that we should have waited til after we signed Fukudome and then traded Jacque? That doesn't make sense.

 

At any rate, even if Hendry traded Jacque at his request... it's still a salary dump. At the end of the day, Hendry has 3 million more than what he started with.

 

Lastly, with Infante now on board, Cedeno becomes even more worthless than he was last year. I wouldn't be surprised if we see him included in a package somewhere. For Crawford maybe?

 

With the Cubs reportedly eating some salary and Infante due for a raise in arbitration, I don't think we'll be gaining that much in salary.

[Mephistopheles]

If the Cubs already had Fukudome signed, then you consider trading Jones, not the other way around. Jones made for a decent back up plan if they didn't find an improvement over Jones.

 

You get more value for Jones if you trade him before you sign Fukudome not to mention we lower the amount of teams looking for COs. It's entirely possible that the Cubs have five COs on their list and Fukudome's at the top and theyre confident they'll get one.

Edited November 12, 2007 by Mephistopheles

[CuseCubFan69]

is infante really toolsy or is he as terrible as his stats suggest?

 

and what's the consensus on infante's defense? that'd be the only saving grace of this trade, if infante is an incredible defensive shortstop.

 

According to this article Infante has a weak arm, so I don't know if he can even play SS. Looks like we've got another crappy 2b on our hands.

 

So that really doesn't help in CF either.