PCA Extended

[CubinNY]

42 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Small market teams as well as teams like the Cubs and Red Sox are absolutely going to be the driving force in a lockout, if there is one. Especially if the agreement is putting in a floor on salaries. You just said small market teams are well below the “leaked” floor. So why would they be ok raising their payroll? 

Lol, think about what you just wrote. They don't have to raise their payroll with the status quo. If they push in cap, they will most assuredly have to do so. 

[We Got The Whole 9]

25 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Im gonna guess this deal will be something like 6 yrs with an opt out in the 7th year, for around 22.5 per.

It'll cover his remaining 4 Arb years, with 2-3 extra years, giving him an opportunity to test the FA market after he turns 29 or 30 if he opts in.

They dont put opt-outs in these early extensions, do they? Usually there's 2-3 team option years. Like Jackson Merrill got 10m signing bonus and the contract is structured like this:

 

2026: $1 Million

2027: $6 Million

2028: $8 Million

2029: $10 Million

2030-2034: $20 Million

 

PCA isn't going to start having 20 AAV for several years still.

[JBears79]

If they are really aggressive, I could see him landing a similar deal to Bobby Witt Jr. Less money of course but they are similar players in that they premium positions and both are 5 tool players with best player in the MLB ceilings. 

Merrill is probably the better comp but just sayin the market has changed a little bit. 

[chibears55]

2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

They dont put opt-outs in these early extensions, do they? Usually there's 2-3 team option years. Like Jackson Merrill got 10m signing bonus and the contract is structured like this:

 

2026: $1 Million

2027: $6 Million

2028: $8 Million

2029: $10 Million

2030-2034: $20 Million

 

PCA isn't going to start having 20 AAV for several years still.

Not sure exactly how these extensions work..

Maybe not for this season and he's playing at whatever it is, I think it 790 K, but aren’t they buying out the remaining 4 Arb years(27-30) with the extension and he plays under the new contract salary?

[Jason Ross]

15 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Not sure exactly how these extensions work..

Maybe not for this season and he's playing at whatever it is, I think it 790 K, but aren’t they buying out the remaining 4 Arb years(27-30) with the extension and he plays under the new contract salary?

Internally it depends on how they start it. They can start the contract tomorrow, or at the end of the year; it's based on language. It may be difficult to start it today with the LT and if the AAV pushed the Cubs over the 2nd line, it could have implications. 

[Stratos]

Pay him 500k per base on balls.

[Bertz]

8 minutes ago, Jason Ross said:

Internally it depends on how they start it. They can start the contract tomorrow, or at the end of the year; it's based on language. It may be difficult to start it today with the LT and if the AAV pushed the Cubs over the 2nd line, it could have implications. 

I'd guess with where payroll is it kicks in for 2026, but yeah Happ and I believe Hoerner worked like you said and started after the season they were signed.

[Radar3454]

3 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Small market teams as well as teams like the Cubs and Red Sox are absolutely going to be the driving force in a lockout, if there is one. Especially if the agreement is putting in a floor on salaries. You just said small market teams are well below the “leaked” floor. So why would they be ok raising their payroll? 

I believe small market teams feel like they have no chance to compete currently so they keep payroll low to make more $$$. With a cap (and floor) they will have a much better chance to compete and will be fine spending more. 

[Stratos]

Remember when they extended Nico by 1  extra year?  That was criminal. Hope PCA gets 3-4 extra years.

[CubinNY]

20 minutes ago, Radar3454 said:

I believe small market teams feel like they have no chance to compete currently so they keep payroll low to make more $$$. With a cap (and floor) they will have a much better chance to compete and will be fine spending more. 

Look at the NFL and NBA, there are teams that always compete and teams that seldom "compete" or play to win. A salary cap isn't going to fix bad organizations. 

It's a lollypop for fans who think "these guys are just playing a game". All the owners are raking in obscene profits, and the value of their teams continues to skyrocket. 

This is about diminishing the value of labor, and no working person should support something like this. 

[imb]

36 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Pay him 500k per base on balls.

where is tom gonna find 1.5 million dollars

[Jason Ross]

1 hour ago, Bertz said:

I'd guess with where payroll is it kicks in for 2026, but yeah Happ and I believe Hoerner worked like you said and started after the season they were signed.

Yeah I'm expecting it will be a 2026 start date. With as many arb years as they have to buy out still, it should keep the AAV reasonable. Nightengale suggested he'd be the 2nd highest paid AAV player, but I assume either:

1. He means by the end of the deal his yearly salary will bet between Swanson and Bregman but wasn't suggesting his AAV was higher than Swanson's $23m
or
2. He forgot Swanson existed (which would be very Bob like) and was talking about AAV, but that he'll come in as an AAV under $23m

If he is truly at a $23m -$25m AAV than I think it would have to kick in 2027, but I think it probably won't be close to that.

[squally1313]

Yeah a couple times today I've had the thought that it's weird that we haven't even really seen rumored contract deals.

But then, inevitably a few seconds later, I realize I just don't care. It's good enough to him to sign it, it's going to be under market, is 2026 me really going to worry about if it's $20m or $25m or if it goes till 2035 or 2038? Those aren't even real years. 

[Rcal10]

38 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

Yeah a couple times today I've had the thought that it's weird that we haven't even really seen rumored contract deals.

But then, inevitably a few seconds later, I realize I just don't care. It's good enough to him to sign it, it's going to be under market, is 2026 me really going to worry about if it's $20m or $25m or if it goes till 2035 or 2038? Those aren't even real years. 

I hope it goes thru the 32 season and then the Cubs have a few option years. I would hope they buy out a few FA years with the deal. 

[KCCub]

 

[Bertz]

4 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

This is the team yelling into a bullhorn that they believe PCA's a superstar

[KCCub]

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

Wow that is not what I expected. Much closer to what chibears55 thought. 

Edited March 24 by We Got The Whole 9

[UMFan83]

That’s cool, 2 extra years and like others have said sounds like a huge vote of confidence from the Cubs

[Gjfificifjdej]

5 hours ago, Radar3454 said:

I believe small market teams feel like they have no chance to compete currently so they keep payroll low to make more $$$. With a cap (and floor) they will have a much better chance to compete and will be fine spending more. 

You are a victim of small market franchise propaganda my friend. These teams likely won’t even bother spending real cash to the salary floor, they’ll acquire albatross contracts from big markets teams ala the Arizona Coyotes in the NHL. People expecting a salary cap to magically create NFL level parity year to year fundamentally misunderstand what allows the NFL playoffs to have higher variance year to year. This push for a cap is an attack on the sport from markets that categorically should not have major league teams. 

[Brian707]

1 minute ago, Gjfificifjdej said:

You are a victim of small market franchise propaganda my friend. These teams likely won’t even bother spending real cash to the salary floor, they’ll acquire albatross contracts from big markets teams ala the Arizona Coyotes in the NHL. People expecting a salary cap to magically create NFL level parity year to year fundamentally misunderstand what allows the NFL playoffs to have higher variance year to year. This push for a cap is an attack on the sport from markets that categorically should not have major league teams. 

Edited March 24 by Brian707

[CUBDOM4life]

So AAV of 20mil over his 4 arb years and first 2 FA years? sounds like an awesome deal considering how high his floor is. 

[BigSlick]

Seems like a steal for his prime years. Less than $20 mil per for a guy who could go off and have some absolute monster years if his bat gets more consistent. 

[Jason Ross]

29 minutes ago, Gjfificifjdej said:

You are a victim of small market franchise propaganda my friend. These teams likely won’t even bother spending real cash to the salary floor, they’ll acquire albatross contracts from big markets teams ala the Arizona Coyotes in the NHL. People expecting a salary cap to magically create NFL level parity year to year fundamentally misunderstand what allows the NFL playoffs to have higher variance year to year. This push for a cap is an attack on the sport from markets that categorically should not have major league teams. 

Very much this. Teams who don't want to spend will always find ways not to spend. The Coyotes routinely found players who were effectively retired, who the other team would still pay, but would take on their cap hit to get to the floor. We should expect the Pirates, Reds, and others who tend to refuse to spend to find whatever loophole they can.

I'm in favor of a cap/floor situation only if it's based on % of revenue and that % is around the NFL level (like it can't be so heavily skewed to the owners that it makes it moot). However for that to work, MLB would have to give up their anti-trust exemption and open the books in a legitimate way. Which, let's be real...it ain't happening. 

Beyond that, MLB and other leagues run about the same levels of parity. Right now the Dodgers are a bit of a runaway train, but the NFL had the Patriots hegemony with a cap/floor. And yes, teams like the Pirates feel like they never try, but the Browns have been destitute forever.

[Jason Ross]

On the PCA extension: this is a fine deal. For the Cubs it creates cost-certainty through arb-years and not forcing the two sides to have to bicker year-over-year. Because it kicks in during the 2027 and he's days away from his 24th-birthday, this will take him through free agency years one and two, and to age 30 (effectively). 

That feels like a good place for a player like Pete. I love Pete, but as he is today, he's heavily reliant on his legs. We should expect that to be a fall-off skill earlier in his career than other builds, and we also know that swing speed dips around age-32. This is a good sweet spot, IMO.