Winter Meetings thread

[JunkyardWalrus]

10 minutes ago, gocubs218 said:

 

Who would a good comp be for a package? And I really don't know anything about him besides looking at his fan graphs page and he's a one year rental.

[Cuzi]

Just now, JunkyardWalrus said:

Who would a good comp be for a package? And I really don't know anything about him besides looking at his fan graphs page and he's a one year rental.

Mookie Betts and Juan Soto.

[CubinNY]

5 minutes ago, JunkyardWalrus said:

Who would a good comp be for a package? And I really don't know anything about him besides looking at his fan graphs page and he's a one year rental.

Go to the front page section of the website. People are talking about him there. He's going to generate a pretty steep package of players. Some think they will want low cost established players + prospects. 

[KCCub]

2 minutes ago, JunkyardWalrus said:

Who would a good comp be for a package? And I really don't know anything about him besides looking at his fan graphs page and he's a one year rental.

Maybe a little less or similar to Soto's last year. Here's a refresher of what the Soto trade was - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/padres-trade-juan-soto-trent-grisham-yankees.html

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, KCCub said:

Maybe a little less or similar to Soto's last year. Here's a refresher of what the Soto trade was - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/padres-trade-juan-soto-trent-grisham-yankees.html

I’m not sure who the Cubs comps would be to those guys. I imagine Horton would have to go. He would take the spot of the top pitching prospect. Not sure of the rest. I know King had a nice year, but was he highly regarded. Higgy also had a nice year, but he was a mid 30’sbpaer time catcher when the trade was made. And as you said, Grisham went I that deal too. 

[squally1313]

There's a few different ways to recreate the total value in the aggregate (cheap major league talent, a couple of the top pieces, a bunch of the mid level pieces). Being discussed a lot more in the link below. Also worth noting that Tucker probably doesn't carry quite the same reputation as Soto/Betts. 

https://northsidebaseball.com/forums/topic/54181-kyle-tucker-trade-rumors-the-theory-and-praxis-of-bringing-astros-slugger-to-cubs-in-blockbuster-deal/#comment-3925610

[Bertz]

I doubt they'd acquire him before trading Bellinger, but reasonably a Cubs fit, Trueblood actually wrote him up a few weeks ago.

[Post Count Padder]

4 minutes ago, Bertz said:

I doubt they'd acquire him before trading Bellinger, but reasonably a Cubs fit, Trueblood actually wrote him up a few weeks ago.

Didn't he come up as a catcher? After Thaiss, Jed certainly has a type!

[Bertz]

Just now, Post Count Padder said:

Didn't he come up as a catcher? After Thaiss, Jed certainly has a type!

Oh yeah, I have used him extensively there in The Show.  Him and Schwarber as a catcher platoon is pretty goated 

[Crusader]

3 hours ago, Rex Buckingham said:

ah yes, the face of the Diamondbacks franchise who put up almost 7 WAR last year and is owed $59M over the next 4 years... surely he's available!

Then have your pick amongst the other 10 people that are better than Soto against LHP. Or pick someone slightly worse that probably wouldn't be super expensive like Yandy Diaz who put up +RC 165 against LHP, or maybe Carlos Santana (161). Or just sign Santana and Joc, both are free agents for similar production at half the price.

Again, no one should be crying over not paying a single player on the team 51 million a year for 15 horsefeathers years like the Mets (who just got done paying Bobby Bonilla's contract and immediately entered into another long one) for a DH.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Crusader

[CubinNY]

8 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Then have your pick amongst the other 10 people that are better than Soto against LHP. Or pick someone slightly worse that probably wouldn't be super expensive like Yandy Diaz who put up +RC 165 against LHP, or maybe Carlos Santana (161).

Again, no one should be crying over not paying a single player on the team 51 million a year for 15 horsefeathers years like the Mets (who just got done paying Bobby Bonilla's contract and immediately entered into another long one) for a DH.

They are still paying Bonilla. And they obviously can afford it. And so can the Cubs. Why do you care how much a player makes?

Every person who earns a paycheck with their work and not by counting unearned income should applaud it. 

[Crusader]

2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

They are still paying Bonilla. And they obviously can afford it. And so can the Cubs. Why do you care how much a player makes?

Every person who earns a paycheck with their work and not by counting unearned income should applaud it. 

Because no matter how much I'd like them to be the Dodgers (and even the Dodgers weren't willing to pay that kind of money for Soto), the Ricketts are never going to do that?

If they're going to stick to the salary cap, then there are other ways to better allocate resources. This horsefeathers isn't rocket science. 

Edited December 10, 2024 by Crusader

[CubinNY]

4 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Because no matter how much I'd like them to be the Dodgers (and even the Dodgers weren't willing to pay that kind of money for Soto), the Ricketts are never going to do that?

If they're going to stick to the salary cap, then there are other ways to better allocate resources. This horsefeathers isn't rocket science. 

off to ignore land you goi

[Crusader]

Just now, CubinNY said:

off to ignore land you goi

Ditto kiddo.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Crusader

[17 Seconds]

5 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Because no matter how much I'd like them to be the Dodgers (and even the Dodgers weren't willing to pay that kind of money for Soto), the Ricketts are never going to do that?

If they're going to stick to the salary cap, then there are other ways to better allocate resources. This horsefeathers isn't rocket science. 

is your argument that they shouldn't spend on him, or that they won't? it seems like you don't know

[Crusader]

7 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

is your argument that they shouldn't spend on him, or that they won't? it seems like you don't know

It’s both, which should be apparently obvious. Investing 51 million a year for 15 years into a single player that’s one injury away from being worthless that generates negative value defensively as a 26 year old is horsefeathers insane, and that’s further made worse by the budget the Cubs have given themselves to operate.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Crusader

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

is your argument that they shouldn't spend on him, or that they won't? it seems like you don't know

I bet if they could have signed Soto to the terms before his opt out, they would have done it. The issue this organization has is with years. They are so damn scared of what happens at age 37 that they are willing to overlook the multiple WS contenders they could build before then.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Cuzi

[17 Seconds]

4 minutes ago, Crusader said:

It’s both, which should be apparently obvious. Investing 51 million a year for 15 years into a single player that’s one injury away from being worthless that generates negative value defensively as a 26 year old is horsefeathers insane.

So you agree that if the cubs were willing to spend like the dodgers, you'd be on board with Soto?

Your whole argument is circular and is essentially "they shouldn't get him because they won't". it makes no sense

[Crusader]

3 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

So you agree that if the cubs were willing to spend like the dodgers, you'd be on board with Soto?

Your whole argument is circular and is essentially "they shouldn't get him because they won't". it makes no sense

No, my argument is that the Cubs should open up their wallet and trade for and sign other all star level players all around their roster to reduce the risk of wasted resources if they’re essentially blowing their load on one player, who doesn’t even play a position, and he gets hurt, and even with their current budgeting there are better ways to allocate resources.

Edited December 10, 2024 by Crusader

[chibears55]

Jesse Rogers says there's some smoke with Cubs and Astros for a Kyle Tucker trade.

This would be huge if they are planning on trading Bellinger 

[Rcal10]

4 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Jesse Rogers says there's some smoke with Cubs and Astros for a Kyle Tucker trade.

This would be huge if they are planning on trading Bellinger 

If this is true, what would the cost be? Are we talking Shaw and Horton+? One of them and a few more lower prospects? Does Parades go instead of Shaw? 

[Dfan25]

These meetings have been really boring so far . Would have expected more by now , with all the talk about things getting crazy after Soto . 
 

I know still a couple of days left , but really slow so far .

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

These meetings have been really boring so far . Would have expected more by now , with all the talk about things getting crazy after Soto . 
 

I know still a couple of days left , but really slow so far .

Yep, considering so many expecte big things at these meeting, they seem just like every other year 

[CubinNY]

9 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

If this is true, what would the cost be? Are we talking Shaw and Horton+? One of them and a few more lower prospects? Does Parades go instead of Shaw? 

why do you keep asking these inane questions? 

The answer is YES, YES, and YES. Do what you have to do. But don't do it if you aren't planning on signing him long-term. That's the conundrum.

[JD94]

13 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

These meetings have been really boring so far . Would have expected more by now , with all the talk about things getting crazy after Soto . 
 

I know still a couple of days left , but really slow so far .

Every year is boring. We are fortunate Soto didn’t drag it out until February honestly. Baseball free agency is the worst