Winter Meetings thread

[Cuzi]

3 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

I feel like Ricketts has a Grima Wormtongue-hypnosis thing going on whenever people say things like this.

Cohen can buy the Cubs 7 times over. The Yankees bring in WAY more revenue a year. The Cubs cannot compete with them. It's just a fact. I'm not saying they cant compete with the likes of the Red Sox.

[Sammy Sofa]

2 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Cohen can buy the Cubs 7 times over. The Yankees bring in WAY more revenue a year. The Cubs cannot compete with them. It's just a fact. I'm not saying they cant compete with the likes of the Red Sox.

I don't care that their profit margin is less than another team; it's still a ridiculous profit margin and they have obscene wealth on top of that. There's a gigantic difference between being unable to spend more and choosing not to spend more, and the Ricketts are 110% doing the latter.

[Cuzi]

1 minute ago, Sammy Sofa said:

I don't care that their profit margin is less than another team; it's still a ridiculous profit margin and they have obscene wealth on top of that. There's a gigantic difference between being unable to spend more and choosing not to spend more, and the Ricketts are 110% doing the latter.

There are always bigger fish in the sea. The Cubs have an obscene amount of money, true. But if there's a bidding war between the Cubs, Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees and the deal is they cant stop hitting bid until all funds are depleted, the Cubs stop hitting bid miles before those 3 teams.

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Hey guy who never substantiates a single claim…Cohen’s worth $21.3 billion as of 12/9/24. The Cubs were Valued at $4.225 billion (bought for $800 million). 

Cubs also generated the third most revenue in the sport this year:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193645/revenue-of-major-league-baseball-teams-in-2010/

 

My bad.

Cohen can buy the Cubs 5 times over. Surely that means Ricketts can compete with Cohen,

[Cuzi]

2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Can you actually explain how you leap from “billionaire can buy team” to “therefore other billionaire (edit: billionaires?) with a franchise generating alot more money cannot compete?” 

I shouldnt have to explain why someone cant compete with another person who is worth 5x more than their largest asset.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Cuzi

[jersey cubs fan]

9 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

There are always bigger fish in the sea. The Cubs have an obscene amount of money, true. But if there's a bidding war between the Cubs, Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees and the deal is they cant stop hitting bid until all funds are depleted, the Cubs stop hitting bid miles before those 3 teams.

Okay but that’s not a real thing so there is no point 

[Sammy Sofa]

11 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

There are always bigger fish in the sea. The Cubs have an obscene amount of money, true. But if there's a bidding war between the Cubs, Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees and the deal is they cant stop hitting bid until all funds are depleted, the Cubs stop hitting bid miles before those 3 teams.

None of the recent "monster" contracts, on their own, have been anywhere near a point where the Ricketts would have to throw up their hands and pull out their pockets due to them not actually being able to afford it. Again, they are choosing to not be competitive.

[Cuzi]

3 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

What’s it hurt you to do so? From the sounds of it it seems it might have taken less energy than this post

Also 100% I know you just went to Joe Ricketts’ (one member of the family but yeah the pops) Forbes page, read the net worth, and for convenience’s sake left out that they specifically list it as 2015 lol 

You 100% know I looked up Joe Ricketts' Forbes page when I mentioned Cohen's networth and the valuation of the Cubs? That's the kind of big brain you are.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Cuzi

[Sammy Sofa]

It never ceases to amaze me just how desensitized we have mostly become to what an astronomical amount of money a billion dollars truly is. Like, someone will see that Cohen is worth $20 billion and the Ricketts are worth $5 billion and then 100% throw that down like it means the latter couldn't possibly afford these types of contracts. Once you have several billions you and your descendants will arguably never even come close to spending even a fraction of it over the course of their lives even if they were doing it 24/7.

[CubinNY]

20 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

My bad.

Cohen can buy the Cubs 5 times over. Surely that means Ricketts can compete with Cohen,

It. Does. Not. Matter. 
 

If you think the Mets are going to lose money or the Cubs would have, there is nothing to talk about. 
 

they made enough money to pay for Soto (yearly) just in concerts 

[We Got The Whole 9]

It's. All. Hoyer.

240M is more than enough to win the division and make the playoffs every year but he's been lapped by Matt Arnold and should be thankful the Cardinals refuse to fire Mozeliak. 

[Cuzi]

10 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

Ah, I misread your post confused Papa for the Cubs’ valuation. See how easy it is to admit not being on point?

School me with some smerts then…The Cubs generated more than $100 in revenue than the Mets just this year. You specifically cited revenue as a reason the Cubs can’t compete with the Yankees. This massive gap goes away solely because Cohen is wealthier?  But Hal Steinbrenner’s worth a mere $1.5 billion lol 

It's all revenue, Einstein. The Mets are Cohen's play toy. His revenue stream is not coming from the Mets. He's operated that franchise in the red. He can give the middle finger to every franchise in baseball and he just gave the biggest one to the richest team in the sport.

Edited December 9, 2024 by Cuzi

[Sammy Sofa]

3 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

It's all revenue, Einstein. The Mets are Cohen's play toy. His revenue stream is not coming from the Mets. He's operated that franchise in the red. He can give the middle finger to every franchise in baseball and he just gave the biggest one to the richest team in the sport.

You cannot truly believe that other teams couldn't afford that contract.

[KCCub]

 

[Bertz]

5 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

I don't think this guy has ever been right about anything, but I'm happy to ignore that because the idea of adding Castillo and Crochet at the same time is enough to make me faint

[We Got The Whole 9]

Anyone know what the hell happened to Murphy last year?

[KCCub]

 

Just now, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Anyone know what the hell happened to Murphy last year?

Oblique injury to start the year caused him to miss quite a bit of time and just never got going. Almost all Braves struggled last year

[We Got The Whole 9]

7 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

Oblique injury to start the year caused him to miss quite a bit of time and just never got going. Almost all Braves struggled last year

Catchers that have posted 5 war seasons are scarce. He has all the tools still. I'd be happy if they acquired him for sure.

[Cuzi]

7 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

Oblique injury to start the year caused him to miss quite a bit of time and just never got going. Almost all Braves struggled last year

He also took a fastball off the elbow after he came back.

If you look at his spray chart and stats, his exit velocity dipped, launch angle dipped, and he became more of a pull hitter last year. Whether or not that's due to injuries and not just a 30 year old aging catcher, who knows. Not all that interested in finding out because I doubt 1 blip on the radar is scaring the Braves away from asking for a stupid amount, especially after declining the option on d'Arnaud.

[Dfan25]

Cubs making progress with Carson Kelly on deal 

[Tryptamine]

Jordan Romano off the board to the Phillies. He was an interesting bounce back guy.

[SOFNR]

Carson Kelly. Meh. Whatever. Better then Thaiss.

[KCCub]

Finnegan mention

[Jason Ross]

Kelly is fine. 

[thawv]

4 minutes ago, SOFNR said:

Carson Kelly. Meh. Whatever. Better then Thaiss.

Thaiss 208/313/342 wRC+ 83

Kelly 224/307/373 wRC+ 85

 

For the cost, is it really necessary to "upgrade?"  To me it's an insignificant upgrade for the cost.