Fire Lou Piniella

[jersey cubs fan]

Why don't they fire the hitting coach again? There's got to be another best in the business guy they can waste their money on.

 

If you were a good hitting coach, would you take a gig at Wrigley? :D

 

Wrigley, where fake good hitting coaches go to become exposed for who they really are. Bad hitting coaches.

 

What matters is the overall ability of the players and that is determined by the GM. That's where changes need to be made. Whether it's Lou, or Alan or Ryno, it doesn't matter if it's still Jim.

[Keener98]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Looks like Brian McCann is starting today on a day after a night game. Im pretty sure Lou has never allowed Soto to start on a day game after a night game.

[treebird]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Looks like Brian McCann is starting today on a day after a night game. Im pretty sure Lou has never allowed Soto to start on a day game after a night game.

 

sometimes there are good reasons for why people aren't allowed to do things

[imb]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Looks like Brian McCann is starting today on a day after a night game. Im pretty sure Lou has never allowed Soto to start on a day game after a night game.

 

sometimes there are good reasons for why people aren't allowed to do things

 

lou doesn't want to wear soto's young ass out. some people are into that.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Lou started Soto at catcher in a day game following a night game on Sun 25 April, and again on Wed 12 May.

 

Gm#    Date       Opponent         Score  Starter         Opp Starter
..1  Mon 04/05  @ Atlanta           5-16  Zambrano        Lowe          
..2  Wed 04/07  @ Atlanta       N   2- 3  Dempster        Jurrjens      
..5  Sat 04/10  @ Cincinnati        4- 3  Zambrano        Harang        
..6  Sun 04/11  @ Cincinnati        1- 3  Gorzelanny      Leake         
..7  Mon 04/12    Milwaukee         9- 5  Dempster        Davis         
..8  Wed 04/14    Milwaukee         7- 6  Wells           Bush          
..9  Thu 04/15    Milwaukee         6- 8  Zambrano        Suppan        
.11  Sat 04/17    Houston           3- 4  Gorzelanny      Oswalt        
.12  Sun 04/18    Houston           2- 3  Dempster        Rodriguez     
.13  Mon 04/19  @ New York      N   1- 6  Wells           Niese         
.15  Wed 04/21  @ New York      N   9- 3  Silva           Perez         
.16  Thu 04/22  @ New York      N   2- 5  Gorzelanny      Santana       
.18  Sat 04/24  @ Milwaukee     N   5- 1  Lilly           Davis         
.19  Sun 04/25  @ Milwaukee        12- 2  Wells           Bush          
.20  Mon 04/26    Washington    N   4- 3  Silva           Lannan        
.21  Tue 04/27    Washington    N   1- 3  Gorzelanny      Hernandez     
.23  Thu 04/29    Arizona           5-13  Lilly           Kennedy       
.24  Fri 04/30    Arizona          11- 5  Wells           Lopez         
.25  Sat 05/01    Arizona           7- 5  Silva           Haren         
.26  Sun 05/02    Arizona          10- 5  Gorzelanny      Jackson       
.27  Tue 05/04  @ Pittsburgh    N   2- 3  Dempster        Maholm        
.29  Thu 05/06  @ Pittsburgh    N   1-11  Wells           Burress       
.30  Fri 05/07  @ Cincinnati    N  14- 7  Silva           Bailey        
.31  Sat 05/08  @ Cincinnati    N   2-14  Gorzelanny      Harang        
.33  Mon 05/10    Florida       N   2- 4  Lilly           Robertson     
.34  Tue 05/11    Florida       N   2- 3  Wells           Nolasco       
.35  Wed 05/12    Florida           4- 3  Silva           Volstad       
.36  Fri 05/14    Pittsburgh        6-10  Gorzelanny      Burress       
.37  Sat 05/15    Pittsburgh        3- 4  Dempster        Maholm        
.38  Sun 05/16    Pittsburgh        4- 3  Lilly           Ohlendorf     
.40  Tue 05/18    Colorado      N   6- 2  Silva           Chacin        
.41  Wed 05/19  @ Philadelphia  N   4- 1  Gorzelanny      Moyer         
.43  Fri 05/21  @ Texas         N   1- 2  Lilly           Lewis         
.44  Sat 05/22  @ Texas         N   5- 4  Wells           Holland       
.46  Tue 05/25    Los Angeles   N   3- 0  Dempster        Kershaw       
.48  Thu 05/27    Los Angeles       1- 0  Lilly           Ely          
.49  Fri 05/28    St. Louis         1- 7  Wells           Carpenter     
.51  Sun 05/30    St. Louis         1- 9  Dempster        Wainright     
.52  Mon 05/31  @ Pittsburgh        1- 2  Wells           Ohlendorf     

[Keener98]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Looks like Brian McCann is starting today on a day after a night game. Im pretty sure Lou has never allowed Soto to start on a day game after a night game.

 

sometimes there are good reasons for why people aren't allowed to do things

 

I dont see the problem in it. They dont play until 9pm tomorrow night so hes going to have plenty of rest from the time this game gets over till they play tomorrow.

[Tracer Bullet]

time doesn't heal all wounds

[Soul]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

Possibly, if it was done with some kind of understanding that Trammel wouldn't be fired since it was just a one year gig.

 

I've been asking for interim Trammel for weeks now. But I'm resigned to the idea that we will be subjected to Lou for the duration.

[illiniguy]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

Possibly, if it was done with some kind of understanding that Trammel wouldn't be fired since it was just a one year gig.

 

I've been asking for interim Trammel for weeks now. But I'm resigned to the idea that we will be subjected to Lou for the duration.

If Jim didn't fire Dusty in '96, no way is he firing Lou now. It just isn't his m.o.

[dew1679666265]

If Jim didn't fire Dusty in '96, no way is he firing Lou now. It just isn't his m.o.

 

He didn't have the authority to fire Dusty in '96, though.

 

 

 

:wink:

[Soul]

I'm having trouble seeing Hendry give Lou the early send off. I hate the idea of a guy drifting to retirement like this though.

 

Can't we just have Lou become the "manager" -- in name only -- and have Trammel secretly run the team? Let's get creative here. :-))

[illiniguy]

If Jim didn't fire Dusty in '96, no way is he firing Lou now. It just isn't his m.o.

 

He didn't have the authority to fire Dusty in '96, though.

 

 

 

:wink:

D'oh. '06. Point remains though.

[dew1679666265]

If Jim didn't fire Dusty in '96, no way is he firing Lou now. It just isn't his m.o.

 

He didn't have the authority to fire Dusty in '96, though.

 

 

 

:wink:

D'oh. '06. Point remains though.

 

In all seriousness, I don't expect Hendry to fire Lou. As you said, I think he prefers to just let the manager's contract expire over firing him.

[soapy]

I saw this thread bumped and wondered what Lou could have possibly done if they didn't even play last night. "How you go and get fired on your day off?!"

[mike2482]

I saw this thread bumped and wondered what Lou could have possibly done if they didn't even play last night. "How you go and get fired on your day off?!"

 

Stealing Boxes

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I saw this thread bumped and wondered what Lou could have possibly done if they didn't even play last night. "How you go and get fired on your day off?!"

 

Stealing Boxes

outstanding

[Tracer Bullet]

I saw this thread bumped and wondered what Lou could have possibly done if they didn't even play last night. "How you go and get fired on your day off?!"

 

Stealing Boxes

 

impressive

[Old Style]

time doesn't heal all wounds

Is that a Mark Prior quote?

[Banedon]

I saw this thread bumped and wondered what Lou could have possibly done if they didn't even play last night. "How you go and get fired on your day off?!"

 

Stealing Boxes

 

He was trying to build a clubhouse.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Another postgame gem from Lou tonight, who "doesn't want to talk about our offense anymore."

We'll have him in the lineup, and we'll probably have (Koyie) Hill behind the plate. We're not scoring any runs, and I need somebody that keeps the other team from running.

There it is folks, the solution to our offensive problems. The best offense is a good defense I always say!

[Guest]

Why don't they fire the hitting coach again? There's got to be another best in the business guy they can waste their money on.

 

If you were a good hitting coach, would you take a gig at Wrigley? :D

 

Wrigley, where fake good hitting coaches go to become exposed for who they really are. Bad hitting coaches.

 

What matters is the overall ability of the players and that is determined by the GM. That's where changes need to be made. Whether it's Lou, or Alan or Ryno, it doesn't matter if it's still Jim.

Yep. I said at beginning of last season the next few seasons are going to be rough. The Cubs will probably finish with 70 something wins and be near the bottom, but not close enough to get a sure thing in the draft. Their top paid players all have no-trade contracts or contracts that will take some sort of Silva like magic to get a return on.

 

Hendry has painted himself into a corner using a [expletive] colored brush. There's a small silver lining with the talent in the minors but I question if Ricketts has the patience to let them develop and not trade them ala Steinbrenner circa 1990.

 

Hendry isn't going to bring a winner to Wrigley and whomever his successor will be has been dealt a crappy hand. My hope is that Ricketts doesn't hire some "baseball man" lifer like Hendry to be the next GM and instead hires someone smart.

[weis21]

I'm beginning to think that Lou doesn't want to win games.

[UMFan83]

Another postgame gem from Lou tonight, who "doesn't want to talk about our offense anymore."

We'll have him in the lineup, and we'll probably have (Koyie) Hill behind the plate. We're not scoring any runs, and I need somebody that keeps the other team from running.

There it is folks, the solution to our offensive problems. The best offense is a good defense I always say!

 

Which is funny because Soto has been hitting decently over the last 7-10 days (at least according to OPS). Oh, also funny because Koyie Hill sucks, and it doesnt matter how often the opponents run if you can't score runs. Geez.

[big_shooter17]

Apparently Lou has found the problem.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/piniella-may-bench-fukudome-and-soto.html

 

Third base/cleanup isn't really the problem. The main concern is the bottom of the lineup and stopping baserunners. Why does Fukudome have to lose playing time while he still gets on base. From what I can see he has gotten on 15 out the last 17 games that he started not including today. Byrd on the other hand, who he could also be given the time off, who has only reached in 3 of his last 8 starts without today. I know that he looked good tonight, but just because he has a good game and kosuke has a bad one has lower statistical meaning than the previous games leading up to this one (even Aramis hit that one walk off). Also aside from today, hill had thrown out 22% while soto had thrown out 21%, so there is another big difference, which is worth using for Lou to throw someone under the bus for to cover the fact that he has been making incredible poor choices all season long.

 

I'm all for letting Colvin get more playing time, but I just don't understand the justification. Really, with the outfield that we have and the way that they have all been hitting, we could do an even split rotation and the same thing could be done at 3b with the three options there. Once anyone can show that they want to be on this team, they can maybe win the job. It is just so frustrating that these players cannot do anything and meanwhile guys like Jose Bautista are hitting more home runs than our infield when they have never hit this many home runs in any season in their career before.

[erik316wttn]

Another postgame gem from Lou tonight, who "doesn't want to talk about our offense anymore."

We'll have him in the lineup, and we'll probably have (Koyie) Hill behind the plate. We're not scoring any runs, and I need somebody that keeps the other team from running.

There it is folks, the solution to our offensive problems. The best offense is a good defense I always say!

 

Which is funny because Soto has been hitting decently over the last 7-10 days (at least according to OPS). Oh, also funny because Koyie Hill sucks, and it doesnt matter how often the opponents run if you can't score runs. Geez.

 

Maybe he plans to hold them scoreless until they pass out from exhaustion and have to forfeit.