Fire Lou Piniella

[witty alias]

I liked how Lou PH for Soto, who has the highest OBP on the team by the way, in the 9th inning when we needed a baserunner. I guess he was mad at him for not throwing out Bourne.

[Guest]

Lou is going to [expletive] Soto up good. Soto should be batting second with OBP and starting everyday. If Lou wants to keep runners from stealing he needs to have Larry work with the pitchers. Outside of Big Z they are all terrible at holding runners. Lilly doesn't even seem to care.

 

He really seems to have taken a disliking to Soto. I wonder if it's because he likes the Kind? This is 2010 Lou, everybody smokes pot.

[cheapseats]

This is 2010 Lou, everybody smokes pot.

 

I heard Lou is into heroin suppositories.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Which is funny because Soto has been hitting decently over the last 7-10 days (at least according to OPS).

 

05/27 - 06/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
K Hill              6    0    2    0    0    0    0    1    0  0.333  0.429  0.333  0.762  0.333  3.71    0.9  0.095  0.000
Soto               16    1    3    0    0    1    2    1    4  0.188  0.235  0.375  0.610  0.182  3.35    1.4  0.048  0.200

 

You totally lost me with that one.

[Careless]

Which is funny because Soto has been hitting decently over the last 7-10 days (at least according to OPS).

 

05/27 - 06/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
K Hill              6    0    2    0    0    0    0    1    0  0.333  0.429  0.333  0.762  0.333  3.71    0.9  0.095  0.000
Soto               16    1    3    0    0    1    2    1    4  0.188  0.235  0.375  0.610  0.182  3.35    1.4  0.048  0.200

 

You totally lost me with that one.

Cut that off at the third and it was like an .805 OPS for the week. But that was based on like 4 games where he had a homer in one and didn't do much else.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Cut that off at the third and it was like an .805 OPS for the week. But that was based on like 4 games where he had a homer in one and didn't do much else.

 

Or, in the alternative, I could back it up to 08 May...... giving us a full four week sample..........

 

05/08 - 06/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Soto               57    3    7    0    0    1    2    9   19  0.123  0.242  0.175  0.418  0.162  4.06    2.4  0.120  0.038

[A-Cal]

Crap. So, Koyie Hill will be our starting catcher now? Lou has [expletive] lost his marbles! I wasn't on the "Actually post about firing Lou Bandwagon" yet, but I am now signing up.

[imb]

from the AP gamer tonight

HOUSTON -- Lou Piniella decided to see what the youngsters could do for the Chicago Cubs.

 

And, they delivered.

 

Tyler Colvin hit a two-run home run and Koyie Hill had a two-run double as the Cubs snapped a four-game losing streak with an 8-5 victory over Roy Oswalt and the Houston Astros on Saturday night.

 

Koyie Hill is 31.

[17 Seconds]

i think it may actually be at this point.....

 

2004 dusty baker > 2010 lou piniella

[KingCubsFan]

i think it may actually be at this point.....

 

2004 dusty baker > 2010 lou piniella

You have a very short memory. Dusty is a franchise killer, Lou just has ADD and can't manage a bullpen.

[NCCubFan]

Crap. So, Koyie Hill will be our starting catcher now? Lou has [expletive] lost his marbles! I wasn't on the "Actually post about firing Lou Bandwagon" yet, but I am now signing up.

I'm not sure I'd make that assumption quite yet; Lou could have been just trying to light a fire under Soto with his comments. With a night game yesterday and a day game today it was a given that Soto and Hill would each start one of those games anyway; it was just a matter of who started which game.

[JoshiQ]

Cut that off at the third and it was like an .805 OPS for the week. But that was based on like 4 games where he had a homer in one and didn't do much else.

 

Or, in the alternative, I could back it up to 08 May...... giving us a full four week sample..........

 

05/08 - 06/04      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP  P/PA     RC   IsoD   RBI%
Soto               57    3    7    0    0    1    2    9   19  0.123  0.242  0.175  0.418  0.162  4.06    2.4  0.120  0.038

 

 

I don't want to play stats with you because I know I would lose but for the month of May:

 

Soto has:

 

.200 .333 .329 .662

 

Hill has:

 

.160 .192 .160 .352

 

So basically they both suck, but Sota sucks a lot less than Hill.

[Guest]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

[Geech]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

 

 

Unfortunately the Cobs don't get to go back in time and change who got those at bats now that we know who hit better in that period. Instead, they must decide going forward who should get the majority of the at bats. The evidence does not support choosing Hill.

[Guest]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

 

 

Unfortunately the Cobs don't get to go back in time and change who got those at bats now that we know who hit better in that period. Instead, they must decide going forward who should get the majority of the at bats. The evidence does not support choosing Hill.

 

There's a variety of ways to approach getting Soto back to his previous performance. You can give him every at bat possible to work through it, you can give him more selective at bats to increase his odds, you can even give him a couple days off to clear his head and help any physical ails. The Cubs chose the latter, and while I agree Soto needs to play more, the situation is hardly worth the sentiments in this thread. We're talking about giving the backup a couple games while he's (relative to his past and the starter's present) hitting well and the starter is hitting horribly, at the position where the starter sits the most games on average. It's just not comparable to Dusty playing Neifi or any other histrionics that are being used to vent about it.

[17 Seconds]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

 

 

so even when koyie hill is doing "good", he still sucks

[Fred Hornkohl]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

 

 

so even when koyie hill is doing "good", he still sucks

 

.... or, to put it another way, Soto would have to increase his OPS by .225 to suck.

[muntjack]

No, when Soto's going good (see the month that preceded this slump) he leads the world in OBP%. Koyie Hill will never do anything remotely resembling that.

[Clem Fandango]

No, when Soto's going good (see the month that preceded this slump) he leads the world in OBP%. Koyie Hill will never do anything remotely resembling that.

 

I'm willing to bet a lot of the walks Soto accrued over the year have been a result of him hitting in the bottom of the lineup in front of some pitchers and dubiously weak hitters

[17 Seconds]

Last 28 days

 

Hill: .292/.346/.333/.679

Soto: .132/.258/.189/.447

 

 

so even when koyie hill is doing "good", he still sucks

 

.... or, to put it another way, Soto would have to increase his OPS by .225 to suck.

 

increase his "last 28 days" ops?

[J.R.]

Is Ricketts still alive? At least PRETEND that you care.

[muntjack]

No, when Soto's going good (see the month that preceded this slump) he leads the world in OBP%. Koyie Hill will never do anything remotely resembling that.

 

I'm willing to bet a lot of the walks Soto accrued over the year have been a result of him hitting in the bottom of the lineup in front of some pitchers and dubiously weak hitters

 

Then why don't most #8 hitters have high OBP%s?

[Tracer Bullet]

No, when Soto's going good (see the month that preceded this slump) he leads the world in OBP%. Koyie Hill will never do anything remotely resembling that.

 

I'm willing to bet a lot of the walks Soto accrued over the year have been a result of him hitting in the bottom of the lineup in front of some pitchers and dubiously weak hitters

 

Then why don't most #8 hitters have high OBP%s?

 

Soto has shown patience there. it's not like every #8 hitter in the NL is automatically going to have a high OBP. But a patient hitter is going to have the opportunity to take more walks hitting 8th than elsewhere b/c the pitcher will pitch around them in more instances. it's only logical.

 

there's also the argument that an 8th hitter, even if otherwise patient, should swing at more crap pitches in some circumstances b/c it's better for the 8th hitter to try to get a hit on a crap pitch than walk and leave it up to a pitcher (which 90% of the time sucks at hitting). not saying I agree, but it's not an unusual strategy.

[javy knows my name]

Most managers don't have a hitter with Soto's patience and power in the 8 spot. Most 8 hitters suck, so they're put in the spot where they'll get the least amount of PAs. For Soto, there's no incentive to pitch to him, so he walks all the time. Everyone else seems to see this but Lou.

[J.R.]

The notion that this season is over is laughable.

 

Some may be complacent because of a [expletive] hockey team, some may be dumbstruck by years of disappointment. The bottom line is this - despite all that has happened, we are a week or two of solid baseball from being back in legitimate contention. This is not the AL East.

 

The preservation of Lou's pride or some [expletive] Hendry code of honor is not worth throwing yet another year away. Heads should be rolling.