Fire Lou Piniella

[Tracer Bullet]

Rob Neyer must be as crazy as me.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/3220/soriano-great-recession-easy-to-predict

 

He thinks it's 50/50 that the Cubs simply release Soriano. If that's the case we'll see who all those teams are that jump all over him.

 

where does it say only a handful of teams would sign him for the league minimum?

[weis21]

That article is 3 months old. Those espn "analysts" constantly change their mind depending on what has happened in the last few days anyway.

[Guest]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

[Tracer Bullet]

so you think if we offered Soriano to every team in the league with no cash included and asked for just any warm body in their organization, we'd have some takers?

 

Oh, God, no.

 

I didn't think you did. But I thought you suggested a team wouldn't have to get much cash if they only had to give up a crappy player. Was just trying to get a sense for how much cash. My sense is, you'd have to give a team a crapload of cash to take Soriano, even if all you got was a warm body, b/c his contract is going to be brutal here pretty quickly. I suppose if he puts up the 4.4 WAR season that he's on pace to, and maybe another one, you have to put up less. But then again, even after 2 years, he's still due $18m per for 3 years.

[Tracer Bullet]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

But Neyer isn't saying what you're saying. 2 months ago, when Soriano was coming off a terrible year and 2 straight injury-plagued years, he suggested there was a 50/50 chance that the Cubs release him AT SOME POINT BEFORE HIS CONTRACT EXPIRES. That's 5 years. I'd have to agree that the Cubs might release Soriano in 2014 when he's due $18m and they're coming off their 2nd WS victory in 5 years and he's the 25th man on the roster. But that doesn't mean they should release him in 2010 and it certainly doesn't say that no other team would sign up to pay him $1.6m for 4 years.

[CubColtPacer]

Rob Neyer must be as crazy as me.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/3220/soriano-great-recession-easy-to-predict

 

He thinks it's 50/50 that the Cubs simply release Soriano. If that's the case we'll see who all those teams are that jump all over him.

 

That was written on the day of April 15th. Soriano had a 607 OPS and had committed 2 bad errors in the first 8 games. He looked like he was still hurt. Now his OPS is 890. And he has only committed 2 errors since then (errors are obviously not nearly the biggest part of defense but they are Soriano's biggest problem since he has pretty good range and a great arm). Soriano has showed that the injury wasn't the final blow to his career.

 

What about Soriano makes him that much worse than Ibanez and Burrell were when they signed their new deals?

[Sammy Sofa]

so you think if we offered Soriano to every team in the league with no cash included and asked for just any warm body in their organization, we'd have some takers?

 

Oh, God, no.

 

I didn't think you did. But I thought you suggested a team wouldn't have to get much cash if they only had to give up a crappy player. Was just trying to get a sense for how much cash. My sense is, you'd have to give a team a crapload of cash to take Soriano, even if all you got was a warm body, b/c his contract is going to be brutal here pretty quickly. I suppose if he puts up the 4.4 WAR season that he's on pace to, and maybe another one, you have to put up less. But then again, even after 2 years, he's still due $18m per for 3 years.

 

I figure the Cubs would have to cover at least $8 million-$10 million each of those last 3 years.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd bet money that Soriano will make more than 1.6M/year in his next contract

When he's 38?

 

Yes

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

 

What's wrong with Neyer?

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

 

What's wrong with Neyer?

 

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

[Guest]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

The likes of Neyer over anonymous people on the internet? I think I'll take Neyer. I'm not trumping anything. I was just providing a piece of information for schmucks like you, who insist on acting like a teenager for chuckles from your buds.

 

Obviously if the Cubs DFA Soriano it will because he doesn't have value. When will they do this if ever? We'll have to wait and see.

[Guest]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

 

What's wrong with Neyer?

 

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

A decent attitude towards stats? That's like saying Einstein had a decent attitude towards physics.

[jersey cubs fan]

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

 

I don't get what you are talking about. Neyer is the preeminent "good stats" guy in the media. And that article was about a grossly overpaid player who is going to be old and bad. That's not what have you done for me lately. That's just thinking realistically.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, that stupid editorial has settled everything.

 

Why do you insist on being a dick? I was just providing evidence that I was not the only one who thought this way. Neyer is pretty respected baseball writer not some smuck on a message board who insists on acting 12 whenever he can.

 

You mean "schmuck." And why do you insist on trumping up such an inane, ridiculous argument with outdated editorials from the likes of Neyer? These are mysteries the world will never solve.

The likes of Neyer over anonymous people on the internet? I think I'll take Neyer. I'm not trumping anything. I was just providing a piece of information for schmucks like you, who insist on acting like a teenager for chuckles from your buds.

 

Obviously if the Cubs DFA Soriano it will because he doesn't have value. When will they do this if ever? We'll have to wait and see.

 

Even still, there's a huge difference between maybe eventually releasing him in the future, to teams willing to take him with the Cubs paying the chunk of the deal. You were just dead wrong on that assessment. It makes no sense.

[TruffleShuffle]

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

 

I don't get what you are talking about. Neyer is the preeminent "good stats" guy in the media. And that article was about a grossly overpaid player who is going to be old and bad. That's not what have you done for me lately. That's just thinking realistically.

 

i agree for the most part, but he probably should have given soriano more than a week of regular season play in 2010 before writing the obituary on his career.

[Sammy Sofa]

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

 

I don't get what you are talking about. Neyer is the preeminent "good stats" guy in the media. And that article was about a grossly overpaid player who is going to be old and bad. That's not what have you done for me lately. That's just thinking realistically.

 

Sure, but the timing and tone of it was clearly influenced by how Soriano looked at the time it was written with the implication that nobody should be surprised if he was released sooner rather than later.

[Sammy Sofa]

The likes of Neyer over anonymous people on the internet? I think I'll take Neyer. I'm not trumping anything. I was just providing a piece of information for schmucks like you, who insist on acting like a teenager for chuckles from your buds.

 

Oh, OK, guy who told someone a message board to stop watching a TV show because they "clearly don't get it." That was sure taking the mature high road.

 

And Neyer is the Einstein of baseball statistics? Interesting analogy.

[jersey cubs fan]

Personally? Nothing, as far as I know. I'm pretty indifferent towards him as writer. He seems to have a decent attitude towards stats, but like most of his brethren he has a very "of the moment, what have you done for me lately?" approach with articles like the one that was linked.

 

I don't get what you are talking about. Neyer is the preeminent "good stats" guy in the media. And that article was about a grossly overpaid player who is going to be old and bad. That's not what have you done for me lately. That's just thinking realistically.

 

Sure, but the timing and tone of it was clearly influenced by how Soriano looked at the time it was written with the implication that nobody should be surprised if he was released sooner rather than later.

 

Well, he's still a columnist and you have to get page views. But I didn't get any sense of a tone about it happening sooner rather than later.

[imb]

someone would pay soriano 4/1.6M for 100 bats a season, are you an idiot?

[Guest]

Soriano had a good two and a half weeks but in the last 28 days he's

 

.188/.296/.420/.717

 

Couple that with putrid defense and he's virtually worthless.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soriano had a good two and a half weeks but in the last 28 days he's

 

.188/.296/.420/.717

 

Is that what it is. I thought he had cooled considerably, but didn't trust that I was paying enough attention.

[Guest]

Soriano had a good two and a half weeks but in the last 28 days he's

 

.188/.296/.420/.717

 

Is that what it is. I thought he had cooled considerably, but didn't trust that I was paying enough attention.

According to baseball reference. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=&t=b

[Sammy Sofa]

Soriano had a good two and a half weeks but in the last 28 days he's

 

.188/.296/.420/.717

 

Couple that with putrid defense and he's virtually worthless.

 

What putrid defense?

 

And congratulations on realizing Soriano is a streaky player.

[abuck1220]

Soriano had a good two and a half weeks but in the last 28 days he's

 

.188/.296/.420/.717

 

Couple that with putrid defense and he's virtually worthless.

 

but not