Fire Lou Piniella

[EhDubya]

C'mon guys, Bill Mueller wasn't that good, but he was better than Kevin Orie, Gary Gaetti, Luis Salazar, and Jose Hernandez. So we shouldn't have ever replaced him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Not to perpetuate a silly direction for the argument, but I think I still prefer Riggleman to any Cubs manager of my lifetime.

[flyseye]

I am pretty sure Kerry Wood does not share your sentiment Kyle.

 

And Rob, I did not call GR moronic, only his post. Much less of a personal attack than calling someone a troll, don't you think ? And feel fee to save your humanity for a good cause. I know you really are trying to make a bold statement when you proclaim you are putting someone on ignore, but trust me, nobody cares. Why do you even bother telling people ?

 

The fact that Lou is arguably the best manager the Cubs have had in decades is certainly a valid point to bring up in a thread titled " Fire Lou Piniella " and you all know it. Of course it doesn't mean he should never be replaced, but it is every bit as valid as saying Geovany Soto is the best Cubs catcher in some time. The fact that there might be a couple of better catchers in the game doesnt mean we should get rid of him. Or maybe it does using some of your logic.Lets start a thread about it.

 

It also establishes a pattern of the Cubs tendancy to hire horrible managers, a trend I fear will continue when Piniella retires.

Edited January 2, 2014 by flyseye

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You still don't get it. Or more likely, you do and are too proud to admit you were wrong.

 

The Cubs are not competing against past Cubs teams. The path to the 2011 World Series, 2012 World Series, or any subsequent World Series does not run through the 1997 Cubs, 1984 Cubs, or any other Cubs team.

 

So whether or not Lou Piniella should be the head coach of the Chicago Cubs has nothing to do with those teams or the men who managed them.

 

 

And personally, I've always thought the case against Riggleman's treatment of Wood was overblown. He went 10 pitches too far a few too many times, but the total innings weren't awful and Wood's arm was likely damaged goods from his HS days anyway. Doesn't quite approach Mark Prior, August-October of 2003 territory.

[flyseye]

You still don't get it. Or more likely, you do and are too proud to admit you were wrong.

 

The Cubs are not competing against past Cubs teams. The path to the 2011 World Series, 2012 World Series, or any subsequent World Series does not run through the 1997 Cubs, 1984 Cubs, or any other Cubs team.

 

So whether or not Lou Piniella should be the head coach of the Chicago Cubs has nothing to do with those teams or the men who managed them.

 

 

And personally, I've always thought the case against Riggleman's treatment of Wood was overblown. He went 10 pitches too far a few too many times, but the total innings weren't awful and Wood's arm was likely damaged goods from his HS days anyway. Doesn't quite approach Mark Prior, August-October of 2003 territory.

 

I am going to take a wild guess that you are not a history major.

 

And what does 2003 have to do with Kerry Wood ? Gotcha.

[inari]

You still don't get it. Or more likely, you do and are too proud to admit you were wrong.

 

The Cubs are not competing against past Cubs teams. The path to the 2011 World Series, 2012 World Series, or any subsequent World Series does not run through the 1997 Cubs, 1984 Cubs, or any other Cubs team.

 

So whether or not Lou Piniella should be the head coach of the Chicago Cubs has nothing to do with those teams or the men who managed them.

 

 

And personally, I've always thought the case against Riggleman's treatment of Wood was overblown. He went 10 pitches too far a few too many times, but the total innings weren't awful and Wood's arm was likely damaged goods from his HS days anyway. Doesn't quite approach Mark Prior, August-October of 2003 territory.

 

I am going to take a wild guess that you are not a history major.

 

And what does 2003 have to do with Kerry Wood ? Gotcha.

 

Hey, I'm a history major! Saying that because Lou isn't as bad as other managers the Cubs have had we should be thankful for him is still a laughably bad argument, though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Major? That explains a lot.

 

This is big-people world. Most of us have left college and have big-people jobs and big-people perspectives on things.

[Rob]

I am pretty sure Kerry Wood does not share your sentiment Kyle.

 

And Rob, I did not call GR moronic, only his post. Much less of a personal attack than calling someone a troll, don't you think ? And feel fee to save your humanity for a good cause. I know you really are trying to make a bold statement when you proclaim you are putting someone on ignore, but trust me, knowbody cares. Why do you even bother telling people ?

 

You obviously care. You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

 

Just so you know, I'm putting on back on ignore now. You can go back to pretending that tossing out more examples of bad managers from the last century is some sort of proof that Lou is not at all responsible for the troubles of this team.

[J.R.]

Lou is going back home following today's game. I mean no disrespect to the man - he is obviously distracted by serious personal issues.

 

Given that, would it not be best for him to resign? What does either party gain from this situation?

[cardslesson101]

Lou is going back home following today's game. I mean no disrespect to the man - he is obviously distracted by serious personal issues.

 

Given that, would it not be best for him to resign? What does either party gain from this situation?

 

 

It gives the Cubs time to look for a new manager outside of the organization. That's the only one I can think of.

[Keener98]

Lou is going back home following today's game. I mean no disrespect to the man - he is obviously distracted by serious personal issues.

 

Given that, would it not be best for him to resign? What does either party gain from this situation?

 

 

It gives the Cubs time to look for a new manager outside of the organization. That's the only one I can think of.

 

Even if he resigned theyd still have time to look for a new manager outside the organization. No reason Trammel couldnt slide over to manage rest of the year and bring someone from minor up to replace Trammel as bench coach.

[NCCubFan]

This time Lou is going back home because his mother has been hospitalized.

[erik316wttn]

Lou, just take the rest of the year off, man. Be with your family. Enjoy retirement.

[NCCubFan]

I find it interesting that, other than chicagosports.com, nobody seems to be reporting that Lou is taking another leave (not even cubs.com). I'm not saying it's a bogus report, but it does seem strange that not even the Cubs themselves are reporting it.

[Soul]

I find it interesting that, other than chicagosports.com, nobody seems to be reporting that Lou is taking another leave (not even cubs.com). I'm not saying it's a bogus report, but it does seem strange that not even the Cubs themselves are reporting it.

Maybe not on the web, but it was mentioned prominently and repeatedly on the post game show this afternoon.

[NCCubFan]

Now it's being reported on ESPN Chicago as well. Perhaps Chicago Sports was just the first to pick up on it from the post game show. He will be away for at least a few games but hopes to return sometime during the road trip (my guess is that he's targeting the start of the St. Louis series).

[J.R.]

The Tribune had it before the game started.

[NCCubFan]

The Tribune had it before the game started.

Yeah you're right; I didn't even pay attention to the time of the article before.

[XZero771679666304]

You still don't get it. Or more likely, you do and are too proud to admit you were wrong.

 

The Cubs are not competing against past Cubs teams. The path to the 2011 World Series, 2012 World Series, or any subsequent World Series does not run through the 1997 Cubs, 1984 Cubs, or any other Cubs team.

 

So whether or not Lou Piniella should be the head coach of the Chicago Cubs has nothing to do with those teams or the men who managed them.

 

 

And personally, I've always thought the case against Riggleman's treatment of Wood was overblown. He went 10 pitches too far a few too many times, but the total innings weren't awful and Wood's arm was likely damaged goods from his HS days anyway. Doesn't quite approach Mark Prior, August-October of 2003 territory.

 

I am going to take a wild guess that you are not a history major.

 

And what does 2003 have to do with Kerry Wood ? Gotcha.

 

Good lord.

 

2003 and Kerry Wood was used as comparison to show Riggleman's usage of Wood wasn't nearly as egregious as other instances we have seen, since you attacked Riggleman on that basis. Quite frankly, I'd also take Riggleman over any of the other managers in the past 15+ years. At least unlike others, he has shown the willingness to recognize his mistakes and correct them. Maybe he's a student of history.

 

That's not even beginning to touch the fact that holding up all recent Cubs managers to the same standard doesn't work when many of them had relatively little to work with. Especially when you realize Pineilla and Baker had more talent under them than any other Cubs managers in most of our lifetimes. Both Baker and Piniella have been a victim of circumstance to some degree, but unlike the truly great managers, both demonstrated not only a clear inability to mitigate bad situations, but the tendency to compound them.

 

The basis for your defense of Lou is feeble. The team would have been bad either way, but Lou's management has been laughably bad, as he has consistently failed to make the obvious choices. Lee still batting third is emblematic of the decision making as a whole this season. It's immaterial at this point, but if the team were in a tight race, Lou's foibles could easily have been the difference between being in the playoffs and watching them.

 

No doubt you'll reference the Soto issue yet again, but it has gone far beyond that all year. It's been a litany of boneheaded moves and willful ignorance of the obvious.