Fire Lou Piniella

[Keener98]

I guess another question is how often do other teams backup catchers start, especially when the starter is far superior than the backup?

[Guest]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

[Keener98]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Cant really go by McCann this year though as hes had some injuries that have kept him out of the lineup this year. The last week I know he missed 3-4 straight games.

[CUBZ99]

I get annoyed every time I see Hill in the lineup too, but here's a question: How many games is optimal for Soto?

 

I don't know, but this looks like the 14th Hill start, which would put him on pace for a good 40-42 starts, which would leave Soto with only 120. Koyie is getting 25% of the PA at catcher, which is too much for a terrible hitter, and leaves Soto with relatively few for a good hitting catcher forced to bat at the bottom of a bad lineup.

 

I thought Soto has been battling some type of virus or something?

[Guest]

Taking a quick look at some NL catchers(McCann and the Molinas), it looks like 130-140 is pretty normal, with 115-130 being more common than 140+.

 

Cant really go by McCann this year though as hes had some injuries that have kept him out of the lineup this year. The last week I know he missed 3-4 straight games.

 

Oh I wasn't looking at this year, just a quick look at the games played column from past years.

 

On the other side of the coin, Russell Martin seems to routinely play 140-155 games.

[Clem Fandango]

I get annoyed every time I see Hill in the lineup too, but here's a question: How many games is optimal for Soto?

 

In theory, if he sat him one game a week he'd end up playing around 130 or so games a year (I'd be kinda okay with that). Also, using that theory, he would've sat 8 times thus far instead of 12 (BR says he's started 40 games this year out of 52 total team games played). That being said, Soto came into this season in the best shape of his career, he's not exactly a fatty kins like he was last year so I would imagine he has a bit more energy to spare.

 

There's a certain point where sitting him more often than not will do one thing by accomplishing another...

 

1) It saves his strength for the end of the season/playoffs

2) It keeps his bat cold and inconsistent because he's not getting regular AB's

 

Lou needs to understand that while he may be saving Soto's strength for the playoffs, he's taking his potential impact out of a lineup that desperately needs it NOW, which in turn could mean that saving his strength for the playoffs is a completely and utterly useless idea since there's a good chance we won't make the playoffs if he keeps giving AB's to people like Koyie Hill.

 

Obviously Soto isn't the savior and the rest of the team needs to step up as well, but this whole one-game reward/punishment system Lou has going on where he sits and plays players based on their performance for the previous game, is really really stupid and annoying. We get it, Nady might've had a nice pinch hit in the late innings and Soriano went 1-5 with an error in the same game... DON'T PLAY NADY INSTEAD OF THE BEST HITTER ON THE TEAM YOU STUPID OLD COOT

[Irrelevant Dude]

With Thursday being an off day, can Lou survive a series sweep against the Pirates tomorrow? I'm afraid the answer is yes, but how many other managers could last through a 1-8 start against the Pirates? The team obviously isn't hitting, but his mismanagement (or lack of management) of the bullpen may have cost the Cubs another game tonight.

[Sammy Sofa]

With Thursday being an off day, can Lou survive a series sweep against the Pirates tomorrow? I'm afraid the answer is yes, but how many other managers could last through a 1-8 start against the Pirates? The team obviously isn't hitting, but his mismanagement (or lack of management) of the bullpen may have cost the Cubs another game tonight.

 

To be fair, I guess, one would expect a team to have gone 1-8 against the Pirates to be a LOT worse than 5 games under .500. I'm not saying that Lou's is off the hook, but whatever.

[Soul]

I wish he was fired weeks ago, but apparently there is no limit to the amount of oblivious apathy he can display and still keep his job.

[MADD_DOG_31]

He can complain all he wants about us scoring, but it's the managers job to win games no matter how many we score

 

It's easy to spot a bad manager by in close games.....and he continues to get beat without his best on the mound in the late innings

 

Simply, he has no idea what he's doing with the pitching....anyone can win games when your team puts up 8 runs, but only good managers can get it done when you score 2 or 3 and have late leads

 

 

And for NONE of our guys taking a strike in the 9th inning down a run makes me want to puke.....that is baseball the right way and we have no idea what that means

[loukycub]

With Thursday being an off day, can Lou survive a series sweep against the Pirates tomorrow? I'm afraid the answer is yes, but how many other managers could last through a 1-8 start against the Pirates? The team obviously isn't hitting, but his mismanagement (or lack of management) of the bullpen may have cost the Cubs another game tonight.

 

To be fair, I guess, one would expect a team to have gone 1-8 against the Pirates to be a LOT worse than 5 games under .500. I'm not saying that Lou's is off the hook, but whatever.

 

if it weren't for the fact that as a whole, the national league sucks and is rather unimpressive, my opinion is that lou would have been long gone by now. in a normal year, any team that is that close to .500 but is 1-8 to the pirates should have been fired well before the start of june. the extreme mediocrity of the nl is saving a lot of jobs now.

[Soul]

This really is Dusty's lame duck year redux then. We're forced to watch essentially a ship without oars, drifting down the river. All year.

 

Pretty helpless feeling

[Sammy Sofa]

With Thursday being an off day, can Lou survive a series sweep against the Pirates tomorrow? I'm afraid the answer is yes, but how many other managers could last through a 1-8 start against the Pirates? The team obviously isn't hitting, but his mismanagement (or lack of management) of the bullpen may have cost the Cubs another game tonight.

 

To be fair, I guess, one would expect a team to have gone 1-8 against the Pirates to be a LOT worse than 5 games under .500. I'm not saying that Lou's is off the hook, but whatever.

 

if it weren't for the fact that as a whole, the national league sucks and is rather unimpressive, my opinion is that lou would have been long gone by now. in a normal year, any team that is that close to .500 but is 1-8 to the pirates should have been fired well before the start of june. the extreme mediocrity of the nl is saving a lot of jobs now.

 

Probably true.

[Guest]

Just let Trammell finish out the year. There is no point running the same guy out there who has already lost the team.

 

It's clear he has no desire to work for the remainder of his contract, so put someone in there who will.

[NCCubFan]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

[jersey cubs fan]

With Thursday being an off day, can Lou survive a series sweep against the Pirates tomorrow? I'm afraid the answer is yes, but how many other managers could last through a 1-8 start against the Pirates? The team obviously isn't hitting, but his mismanagement (or lack of management) of the bullpen may have cost the Cubs another game tonight.

 

To be fair, I guess, one would expect a team to have gone 1-8 against the Pirates to be a LOT worse than 5 games under .500. I'm not saying that Lou's is off the hook, but whatever.

 

if it weren't for the fact that as a whole, the national league sucks and is rather unimpressive, my opinion is that lou would have been long gone by now. in a normal year, any team that is that close to .500 but is 1-8 to the pirates should have been fired well before the start of june. the extreme mediocrity of the nl is saving a lot of jobs now.

 

I really think the only way Lou would have been fired by now was if they got off to some 0-14 start and were 20 games under .500 right now. And even then I'm not so sure. Maybe if the manager was some generic guy Hendry would have canned him by now. But he's still Lou Piniella, and Jim Hendry is still Jim Hendry. I'm not sure Hendry has the option to fire a manager and hire a new one right now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

[Tracer Bullet]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

maybe if it earns him another shot somewhere else. I doubt he wants his managerial career to consist entirely of his tenure in Detroit. So if he can be a manager again here, even for just a few months, it might be enough to get him a shot with another team next year. Who knows.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

Possibly, if it was done with some kind of understanding that Trammel wouldn't be fired since it was just a one year gig.

[jersey cubs fan]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

maybe if it earns him another shot somewhere else. I doubt he wants his managerial career to consist entirely of his tenure in Detroit. So if he can be a manager again here, even for just a few months, it might be enough to get him a shot with another team next year. Who knows.

 

He'd almost definitely take the actual interim tag for this year, but I was referring to taking the gig next year with Ryno as his bench coach. He's going to want a 3 year deal.

[Tracer Bullet]

Trammell would definitely give it his best shot. He'd probably see serving the rest of the year as interim manager as his chance to show he deserves the permanent job over Sandberg.

 

Oh, if only. I would love it if they fired Lou, let Trammel finish the year and then signed him up for at least one full year with Sandberg as the bench coach. I've resigned myself to the inevitability of Sandberg as manager at some point, so at least with that outcome he spends some time with the big league club under someone else as opposed to jumping right in.

 

That's been my hope, and given Ryno's good soldier status maybe he'd go along with it. But then would Trammel? Would he take a gig where he's essentially a lame duck already just keeping the spot warm for the chosen one?

 

maybe if it earns him another shot somewhere else. I doubt he wants his managerial career to consist entirely of his tenure in Detroit. So if he can be a manager again here, even for just a few months, it might be enough to get him a shot with another team next year. Who knows.

 

He'd almost definitely take the actual interim tag for this year, but I was referring to taking the gig next year with Ryno as his bench coach. He's going to want a 3 year deal.

 

Oh, yeah. If his choice is bench coach somewhere else or 1-year gig as manager, I'd guess he'd take the manager role (unless it was bench coach with handshake deal to be next manager).

[Guest]

This is basically a dream scenario for Trammell if he indeed wants to be a manager again. He'd be taking over a team that his horribly underachieving rather than a hopeless team that has no chance regardless of who is in charge.

 

If Ricketts is truly a fan, he's got to be just as sick of what is transpiring right now as the rest of us. He has the power to make the change if Hendry won't. There is no point waiting for Lou to leave since that won't be happening. He's getting his money whether he earns it or not, and with the most obvious choice Lou has made at this point is to NOT EARN it, put someone in there who will. Since Trammell is already on payroll, reward him with another opportunity to show he has the tools to be a major league manager.

 

Heck, get someone in there NOW and maybe they can transform this group of slugs into a pennant chaser. It's not too late. But, talking about this in July or August probably will be.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why don't they fire the hitting coach again? There's got to be another best in the business guy they can waste their money on.

[Guest]

Why don't they fire the hitting coach again? There's got to be another best in the business guy they can waste their money on.

 

If you were a good hitting coach, would you take a gig at Wrigley? :D

 

Wrigley, where fake good hitting coaches go to become exposed for who they really are. Bad hitting coaches.