Fire Lou Piniella

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I wonder if it's more about not wanting to pressure Soto to do too much, or feeling Soto let him down last year and it's a sort of punishment.

 

That may be, but it's still bogus. He underperformed last year, no doubt. But a quick look at the numbers indicates he certainly had some bad luck contributing to that. Further, the guy has been in the league for three years now, you don't need to worry about putting pressure on him.

 

I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

ETA: if that's his reasoning, fine. But don't go shitty with the media when they question you about the middle of the order coming up short when you have a real simple solution on your hands.

[Guest]

 

I wonder if it's more about not wanting to pressure Soto to do too much, or feeling Soto let him down last year and it's a sort of punishment.

 

That may be, but it's still bogus. He underperformed last year, no doubt. But a quick look at the numbers indicates he certainly had some bad luck contributing to that. Further, the guy has been in the league for three years now, you don't need to worry about putting pressure on him.

 

Lou probably thinks the reason Geo struggled last year was that he was jinxed by the sophomore slump or something.

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I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

that's my guess. if he's going to replace him with Hill in the 7th or 8th inning on a frequent basis, you can't have him hitting 5th or 6th.

[Guest]

He also probably thinks that he(Lou)/keeping him in the 8th spot is a main reason for his success.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

that's my guess. if he's going to replace him with Hill in the 7th or 8th inning on a frequent basis, you can't have him hitting 5th or 6th.

 

Of course, it's just as likely (roughly) that he comes up in the 9th inning while hitting 8th.

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I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

that's my guess. if he's going to replace him with Hill in the 7th or 8th inning on a frequent basis, you can't have him hitting 5th or 6th.

 

Of course, it's just as likely (roughly) that he comes up in the 9th inning while hitting 8th.

 

exactly. i didn't say it made a lot of sense.

[soapy]

 

I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

that's my guess. if he's going to replace him with Hill in the 7th or 8th inning on a frequent basis, you can't have him hitting 5th or 6th.

 

Of course, it's just as likely (roughly) that he comes up in the 9th inning while hitting 8th.

 

exactly. i didn't say it made a lot of sense.

 

Right. I actually meant in the lineup on a day-to-day basis rather than the late-inning replacement thing, which is also dumb.

 

If he keeps hitting he may force himself up the the order. Lou did give him 144 PAs in the 5th spot and 189 PAs in the 6th in 2008. Or rather, maybe I should say if Ramirez keeps struggling Geo will move up.

[Illini Iceman]

 

I think the likey (although still bogus) reasoning is quite simply that he's a catcher. He doesn't want to put him in the heart of the order and have to worry about shuffling everyone around when Hill plays and/or feel obligated to keep Soto in the lineup more regularly if he's being heavily relied on offensively.

 

that's my guess. if he's going to replace him with Hill in the 7th or 8th inning on a frequent basis, you can't have him hitting 5th or 6th.

 

Of course, it's just as likely (roughly) that he comes up in the 9th inning while hitting 8th.

 

exactly. i didn't say it made a lot of sense.

 

Right. I actually meant in the lineup on a day-to-day basis rather than the late-inning replacement thing, which is also dumb.

 

If he keeps hitting he may force himself up the the order. Lou did give him 144 PAs in the 5th spot and 189 PAs in the 6th in 2008. Or rather, maybe I should say if Ramirez keeps struggling Geo will move up.

 

Byrd, Soriano and Fontenot all seem to be doing fine at 5,6,7 so I don't see what people would suggest he do. He isn't going to start batting Ramirez 8th just because he has had a bad month.

[TruffleShuffle]

stop batting soto 8th you senile old moron

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Byrd, Soriano and Fontenot all seem to be doing fine at 5,6,7 so I don't see what people would suggest he do. He isn't going to start batting Ramirez 8th just because he has had a bad month.

 

As long as Soto doesn't stay at 8 on ARam's days off while Chad Tracy hits 5th, I suppose it's not a problem.

 

Oh wait

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

Byrd, Soriano and Fontenot all seem to be doing fine at 5,6,7 so I don't see what people would suggest he do. He isn't going to start batting Ramirez 8th just because he has had a bad month.

 

As long as Soto doesn't stay at 8 on ARam's days off while Chad Tracy hits 5th, I suppose it's not a problem.

 

Oh wait

Catcher hits 8th, dood.

 

Yeah, when I saw that line up with Tracy at 5th I don't know why I was surprised, but I was. Just have to laugh, I guess.

[Keener98]

"What can you do?" he said. "Look, I don't know. I don't have answers for this."

 

Then why are you still managing Lou?

[chasinf5s]

"What can you do?" he said. "Look, I don't know. I don't have answers for this."

 

Then why are you still managing Lou?

 

hahaha i was just going to post that

[Soul]

End of May. Trammel. That is all.

[Old Style]

End of May. Trammel. That is all.

Why do we have to wait until the end of May?

[Guest]

Classic Lou today. No need to have Dempster in there against Votto.

[inari]

There's not much to say about what happened in the 7th today. Even Brenly knew it was moronic.

[Keener98]

Votto vs Leftys this year. 787OPS

Votto vs Rightys this year 1.072 OPS

 

Votto Career vs leftys 867 OPS

Votto Career vs Rightys 958 OPS

 

Good call Lou leaving the right handed Dempster, who had thrown almost 120 pitches, in to face a guy who has murdered rightys this year, all while you have a really good left handed reliever warming up.

 

This is how managers can lose games folks. Fire this idiot

[JonJayCutler]

I am now on board. Trammell please.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The guy does nothing right. Once in a while, he'll catch a bone, but it seems everytime theres a close game, Lou blows it. There was no point to pitching to Votto at that time no matter who was on the mound. The guy screws with the lineup to no end, but refuses to acknowledge the fact that the problem is the 3 and 5 hitters, and those are the 2 guys he refuses to do anything about aside from the 1 game where he moves Ramirez down. If this team wants a snowballs chance in hell, Lou must go. now. I know Ricketts is more a business guy than a baseball guy, but he must see that this guy no longer has what it takes to manage in the bigs.

[MADD_DOG_31]

They have 1 really good hitter....VOTTO

 

2 outs and a base open u walk their ONLY really good hitter and take your chances w/ broken down scott rolen

 

Fire him and fire him TODAY!

[Guest]

Dempster was only at 110 pitches, but yeah, that was a, uh, less than good decision.

[scarey]

They have 1 really good hitter....VOTTO

 

2 outs and a base open u walk their ONLY really good hitter and take your chances w/ broken down scott rolen

 

Fire him and fire him TODAY!

 

Second base was the base that's open and you don't intentionally walk a guy to put another in scoring position. I don't care what your hindsight says. The wrong decision was keeping Dempster in.

[inari]

Yeah, IBB definitely wasn't the right move either.

[NCCubFan]

I am now on board.

About time. What took you so long? :D