Re: College Football - Week of 11/29

[CubInOK]

theyre miles better than sooner fans though. not even close.

Outside of being completely delusional and the type to do what they accuse OU fans of being, I would mostly agree.

 

I expect to see a lot of 45-35 and Boise State references from their fans on Saturday.

[cubweiser03]

I dont buy Herbies arguement that they are who they are, average. Average programs don't put together recruiting classes like Weis has for the last 3 years. And these players arent all necessarily CW's players still. He was hired after the 2004 season, good luck finding good recruits to come to a program in disaray that time of year. The 2006 freshman class(truly his first) had 2 highly rated QB's and the time they were ready to take over for Brady Quinn one transfered early and the other transfered after the first game. In came Clausen, true freshman pocket passer dont have near the quick impact of the more mobile qbs in CFB (Chad Henne is a rare exception and he had way more talent than Clausen had around him). Clausen probably should of improved more this year than he did though, thats a negative against Charlie. How much progress he makes next year is telling to me. College football is all about the QB's.

 

John Tenuta is a helluva football coach. The scheme change this year shouldnt be forgotten.

 

Im not a fan of Weis but he deserves one more year(and that extension was freaking mindless on the admins part.) When he had Brady Quinn it wasnt the offense slowing them down.

[Coach C]

Welcome back old man!!!!! I wish it was patterson, but I can live with Snyder!

 

It really doesn't bother you? Not only was Snyder fielding awful teams by the end of his tenure, but he's about 70 years old and hasn't coached in 4 years. Furthermore, how is he going to recruit any talent there knowing that he's just a placeholder coach? With all the JUCO's they have leaving after next year they might have a 30 man roster in 2010.

 

Well, last time I checked, Joe Pa is 81, and I don't see any signs of him slowing down. Sure he had a few bad teams thrown in the mix, but Penn State is doing well. Age is just a number, and as long you're doing the job, I could care less if you're 105 years old.

 

Also, I'd be careful if I were a KU or a MU fan, considering that Snyder's team has completely owned those two schools during his first time around.

 

Kansas Jayhawks 13 4 0 .764

Missouri Tigers 14 3 0 .824

 

Really, it's going to depend on who Bill is going to get his assistants. One way or another, it has to be an improvement over Ron Prince's coaching staff, as they were all just awful.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Welcome back old man!!!!! I wish it was patterson, but I can live with Snyder!

 

It really doesn't bother you? Not only was Snyder fielding awful teams by the end of his tenure, but he's about 70 years old and hasn't coached in 4 years. Furthermore, how is he going to recruit any talent there knowing that he's just a placeholder coach? With all the JUCO's they have leaving after next year they might have a 30 man roster in 2010.

 

Well, last time I checked, Joe Pa is 81, and I don't see any signs of him slowing down. Sure he had a few bad teams thrown in the mix, but Penn State is doing well. Age is just a number, and as long you're doing the job, I could care less if you're 105 years old.

 

Also, I'd be careful if I were a KU or a MU fan, considering that Snyder's team has completely owned those two schools during his first time around.

 

Kansas Jayhawks 13 4 0 .764

Missouri Tigers 14 3 0 .824

 

Really, it's going to depend on who Bill is going to get his assistants. One way or another, it has to be an improvement over Ron Prince's coaching staff, as they were all just awful.

 

MU and KU aren't even close to being the same programs that they were 5 years ago. Neither is KSU.

[SouthSideRyan]

Are KSU football players going to be required to be literate this time around?

[shnsajax]

Are KSU football players going to be required to be literate this time around?

 

Michael Bishop is going to be hired as the team tutor.

[imb]

theyre miles better than sooner fans though. not even close.

 

they're actually worse, and that's saying something, because OU fans for the most part are freaking embarrassing. every ou messageboard i've ever seen has been just terrible.

 

i could see how someone who has been a fan of a big 12 school for three months could believe that, though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Big 12 has all 3 finalists for the O'Brien(Harrell, McCoy, Bradford), the Biletnikoff(Crabtree, Maclin, Bryant), and the Mackey(Coffman, Gresham, Pettigrew). I'd give them to McCoy, Crabtree, and Coffman myself.

[SpongeWorthy]

I dont buy Herbies arguement that they are who they are, average. Average programs don't put together recruiting classes like Weis has for the last 3 years. And these players arent all necessarily CW's players still. He was hired after the 2004 season, good luck finding good recruits to come to a program in disaray that time of year. The 2006 freshman class(truly his first) had 2 highly rated QB's and the time they were ready to take over for Brady Quinn one transfered early and the other transfered after the first game. In came Clausen, true freshman pocket passer dont have near the quick impact of the more mobile qbs in CFB (Chad Henne is a rare exception and he had way more talent than Clausen had around him). Clausen probably should of improved more this year than he did though, thats a negative against Charlie. How much progress he makes next year is telling to me. College football is all about the QB's.

 

John Tenuta is a helluva football coach. The scheme change this year shouldnt be forgotten.

 

Im not a fan of Weis but he deserves one more year(and that extension was freaking mindless on the admins part.) When he had Brady Quinn it wasnt the offense slowing them down.

 

I mostly agree with this. Either Notre Dame has horrible luck by getting highly rated players that every other top program covets and having them not pan out or the staff in place hasn't been able to develop the talent properly. I'm inclined to believe it's the latter.

[CubInOK]

The Big 12 has all 3 finalists for the O'Brien(Harrell, McCoy, Bradford), the Biletnikoff(Crabtree, Maclin, Bryant), and the Mackey(Coffman, Gresham, Pettigrew). I'd give them to McCoy, Crabtree, and Coffman myself.

I'd go with Crabtree, Bradford, and Coffman, but I'm biased. The O'Brien and Biletnikoff finalists all have great cases.

[Butterscup1679666578]

The Big 12 has all 3 finalists for the O'Brien(Harrell, McCoy, Bradford), the Biletnikoff(Crabtree, Maclin, Bryant), and the Mackey(Coffman, Gresham, Pettigrew). I'd give them to McCoy, Crabtree, and Coffman myself.

 

If Coffman doesn't get the Mackey I'll lose my mind.

[CubbieBum]

texas tech is ahead of oklahoma in two of the computers.

That's a total load of bullhowry. Those computers should be removed from the rankings effective immediately; they have zero credibility.

 

And so do the other two polls used. The coaches poll is a complete joke.

[CubbieBum]

Welcome back old man!!!!! I wish it was patterson, but I can live with Snyder!

 

It really doesn't bother you? Not only was Snyder fielding awful teams by the end of his tenure, but he's about 70 years old and hasn't coached in 4 years. Furthermore, how is he going to recruit any talent there knowing that he's just a placeholder coach? With all the JUCO's they have leaving after next year they might have a 30 man roster in 2010.

 

Well, last time I checked, Joe Pa is 81, and I don't see any signs of him slowing down. Sure he had a few bad teams thrown in the mix, but Penn State is doing well. Age is just a number, and as long you're doing the job, I could care less if you're 105 years old.

 

Also, I'd be careful if I were a KU or a MU fan, considering that Snyder's team has completely owned those two schools during his first time around.

 

Kansas Jayhawks 13 4 0 .764

Missouri Tigers 14 3 0 .824

 

Really, it's going to depend on who Bill is going to get his assistants. One way or another, it has to be an improvement over Ron Prince's coaching staff, as they were all just awful.

 

Did you not see his 80 second 40-yard dash to the bathroom two years ago?

[shnsajax]

The Big 12 has all 3 finalists for the O'Brien(Harrell, McCoy, Bradford), the Biletnikoff(Crabtree, Maclin, Bryant), and the Mackey(Coffman, Gresham, Pettigrew). I'd give them to McCoy, Crabtree, and Coffman myself.

 

If Coffman doesn't get the Mackey I'll lose my mind.

 

This is a really good TE group this year. I would say Crabtree has the best chance of those 9, but if any of them won it I don't think there would be much of a complaint.

[Mephistopheles]

too bad ingram tore his acl. hed be in the top two or three te's

[Andy]

Watching tonight at a friend's. Let's go 12-0, Cards.

[Mephistopheles]

Dismantling the who played who argument.

 

History of Rematches in College Football

1943 Orange Bowl: LSU vs aTm (Split)

1956 Rose Bowl: Iowa vs Oregon State (Iowa won both)

1959 Sugar Bowl: LSU vs Ole Miss (Split)

1965 Rose Bowl: UCLA vs Michigan State (Split)

1975 Rose Bowl: UCLA vs Ohio State (Split)

1978 Orange Bowl: Nebraska vs Oklahoma (Split)

1982 Rose Bowl: Michigan vs UCLA (UCLA won both)

1987 Rose Bowl: Michigan State vs USC (Michigan State won both)

1994 Sugar Bowl: Florida vs Florida State (Split)

1995 Vegas Bowl: Toledo vs Nevada (Toledo won both)

1996 Sugar Bowl: Florida vs Florida State (Split)

1996 Independence Bowl: LSU vs Notre Dame (Split)

1999 SEC Championship: Florida vs Alabama (Alabama won both)

1999 Big XII Championship: Texas vs Nebraska (Split)

1999 MAC Championship: Marshall vs Western Michigan (Marshall won both)

2000 MAC Championship: Marshall vs Western Michigan (Split)

2000 Big XII Championship: Oklahoma vs Kansas State (Oklahoma won both)

2000 SEC Championship: Florida vs Auburn (Florida won both)

2001 SEC Championship: Tennessee vs LSU (Split)

2002 Big XII Championship: Oklahoma vs Colorado (Oklahoma won both)

2003 MAC Championship: Miami vs Bowling Green (Miami won both)

2003 SEC Championship: LSU vs Georgia (LSU won both)

2004 MAC Championship: Toledo vs Miami (Split)

2004 SEC Championship: Auburn vs Tennessee (Auburn won both)

2005 Big XII Championship: Texas vs Colorado (Texas won both)

2005 MAC Championship: Akron vs Northern Illinois (Akron won both)

2006 CUSA Championship: Houston vs Southern Miss (Split)

2007 ACC Championship: Boston College vs Virginia Tech (Split)

2007 CUSA Championship: UCF vs Tulsa (UCF won both)

 

So through all of division i college football when two teams that played each other before the team that won the first game is 15-14...meaning that the result of the second game is more or less flipping a coin. It's as if the first game doesn't even matter...

[Mephistopheles]

I might be missing a few bowl games here and there the last ten years. Either way the point still stands...even if there are ten more bowl games I am missing and the team won both times all ten times.

[Andy]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

[rchap24]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

 

Even if you guys don't get in a BCS game you should be proud about the season. That's pretty frickin cool!

[abuck1220]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

 

are you upset ball state is not going to a bcs bowl? if i were you i'd be happy.

[CubColtPacer]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

 

are you upset ball state is not going to a bcs bowl? if i were you i'd be happy.

 

Several million dollars plus that huge exposure would do a lot more for Ball State's football program than any win in a lesser bowl game. They could really use the money up there. Plus, there are probably 3 other teams who are no better than they are in the BCS (Oregon State, ACC Winner, Big East winner) so if they somehow got matched up with one of the last two they'd have a pretty good shot of winning that game.

 

Let's just put it this way. Ball State can go to the Motor City Bowl and play bad teams a lot. There aren't a lot of chances to get the huge exposure of a BCS bowl. Even if the worst case scenario happened and they simply got destroyed, it would still be better for their program than the alternative.

[bukie]

Actually, since it's likely neither BSU or, well, BSU will get a BCS bowl, it'd be interesting to see some bowl pick both of them up to play each other.

[jersey cubs fan]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

 

are you upset ball state is not going to a bcs bowl? if i were you i'd be happy.

 

Several million dollars plus that huge exposure would do a lot more for Ball State's football program than any win in a lesser bowl game. They could really use the money up there. Plus, there are probably 3 other teams who are no better than they are in the BCS (Oregon State, ACC Winner, Big East winner) so if they somehow got matched up with one of the last two they'd have a pretty good shot of winning that game.

 

Let's just put it this way. Ball State can go to the Motor City Bowl and play bad teams a lot. There aren't a lot of chances to get the huge exposure of a BCS bowl. Even if the worst case scenario happened and they simply got destroyed, it would still be better for their program than the alternative.

 

I doubt the difference in exposure is all that meaningful. And don't they have to split that money?

[CubColtPacer]

45-22. One more to the MAC title. No BCS can't put a damper on this freaking amazing season.

 

are you upset ball state is not going to a bcs bowl? if i were you i'd be happy.

 

Several million dollars plus that huge exposure would do a lot more for Ball State's football program than any win in a lesser bowl game. They could really use the money up there. Plus, there are probably 3 other teams who are no better than they are in the BCS (Oregon State, ACC Winner, Big East winner) so if they somehow got matched up with one of the last two they'd have a pretty good shot of winning that game.

 

Let's just put it this way. Ball State can go to the Motor City Bowl and play bad teams a lot. There aren't a lot of chances to get the huge exposure of a BCS bowl. Even if the worst case scenario happened and they simply got destroyed, it would still be better for their program than the alternative.

 

I doubt the difference in exposure is all that meaningful. And don't they have to split that money?

 

They do have to split the money with the other small conferences and their own conference. But Ball State would still receive somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 million of the 17-18 total that is paid out. Going to a minor BCS bowl probably will have them earn half a million or less. That's a huge difference for a school that's football program makes more what other schools basketball programs do.

 

As for exposure, it's hard to say for sure what kind of positive impact it has on recruiting and other areas. Anecdotal evidence would say that it does, but most of the time that comes from coaches and administrators that are predisposed to say that. There is no doubt that many more Americans would watch Ball State in a BCS game though if they play in Detroit on the day after Christmas.