Cubs acquire Kevin Gregg for Jose Ceda

[apete6]

I read some where (I think J. Mayo article) that Ceda has put on some soft weight recently. Maybe the Cubs question is work ethic and his ability to control his weight.

 

This is the only thing I can think of. But, still, bad.

 

I was excited when I figured we gave up a guy like Ascanio. Now I'm bitter.

[BigbadB]

How much is Gregg making? Is it possible that this is a necessary piece to get Peavy? As in, did the Padres want a closer to replace Hoffman without having to spend a ton or give up anything more to get one?

 

I think he made 2.5m this past year, and is arby eligible this year. The Padres were offering Hoffman 4m, so maybe the Padres could avoid arby with Gregg and get him for somewhere in the neighborhood of what Hoffman was being offered.

 

But, here's the kicker in my view. If Gregg is potentially part of a future deal, you have to assume that the Cubs are now the favorites. Doubtful that Hendry makes a deal for Gregg, only to be stuck with him. Maybe Towers told Hendry that he's giving up on Atlanta and to go ahead and do what needs to be done to make the deal work.

[UMFan83]

I find it extremely odd that Hoffman's 4 million dollar deal gets taken back, and then the team in the Peavy sweepstakes trade for a closer that they really don't need.

 

Sounds fishy to me.

 

I think you are overthinking things. Hendry wanted a closer for insurance in case Kerry leaves and made a stupid move.

[erik316wttn]

If we show Kerry Wood the door because of Kevin freakin' Gregg, I'm going to fly into a murderous rage.

[17 Seconds]

How is it that Hendry agrees to any trade proposals with the Marlins? This is the second time he's been hosed.

 

But he has also hosed them

 

Lee for Choi was a salary dump. Not sure that's the best comparison.

 

And Willis et. al for Alfonseca/Clement is debatable.

 

It doesn't matter if it was a salary dump, they still got crappy players back for a very good player.

 

 

Except Lee wasn't very good when they got him and he's only had one very good season as a Cub. He's been a not at all special first baseman for the vast majority of his career.

 

I said very good player, not very good hitter

[Rusch33]

I find it extremely odd that Hoffman's 4 million dollar deal gets taken back, and then the team in the Peavy sweepstakes trade for a closer that they really don't need.

 

Sounds fishy to me.

 

I think you are overthinking things. Hendry wanted a closer for insurance in case Kerry leaves and made a stupid move.

 

I probably am, but don't kill my optimism.

[JimSorgi]

Thankfully Lou is nothing if not patient with guys who walk people, so he should be able to get the most out of Gregg.

 

Yeah, unless your name is Rich Hill, Michael Wuertz, Scott Eyre, etc...

I think you missed the sarcasm.

[SouthSideRyan]

I will go on record(since the dow looks safe to close above 8000) as saying there is no way Gregg gets traded to the Padres.

[Post Count Padder]

No problem with getting Gregg. But for Ceda? Seriously? You're off to a bad start Jimbo.

[jersey cubs fan]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

[17 Seconds]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense? There is definitely a distinction.

 

Either way, it doesn't matter and it's nbot at all the point. I know right when I typed "very good" that this would ahppen. The point is that he got a good player for nothing and the fact that it was a salary dump had nothing to do with it.

Edited November 13, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[Garwilly]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

Is this your rationale behind the "Lee for Choi" wasn't a steal?

[BigbadB]

I find it extremely odd that Hoffman's 4 million dollar deal gets taken back, and then the team in the Peavy sweepstakes trade for a closer that they really don't need.

 

Sounds fishy to me.

 

I think you are overthinking things. Hendry wanted a closer for insurance in case Kerry leaves and made a stupid move.

 

I probably am, but don't kill my optimism.

 

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I have to believe something is up. Although, I'm a bit scared that the person who just mentioned Marmol possibly being in the deal could be right.

[Rob]

We just traded one of our top prospects for somebody who's no better or worse than Michael Wuertz.

[JeffH]

Matt Karchner, Part 2

[jersey cubs fan]

No problem with getting Gregg. But for Ceda? Seriously? You're off to a bad start Jimbo.

 

I have a problem with it because I freaking hate overpaid veteran relievers and Hendry has had an absurd obsession with these guys for years. I believe he's in his final year of arbitration before free agency. He's been an okay pitcher who has racked up save totals the past two years, so he's going to get paid in a manner that is out of whack with his actual performance.

 

 

Plus, I hate oversized ex-Marlins relievers.

[abuck1220]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

[17 Seconds]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

[cubsfan26]

I'm willing to give this move a chance. I agree Ceda should probably be worth more, but we don't really know his value around the league. Plenty of teams could have a bunch of question marks about him and not be that high on him. As much as were bashing Kevin Gregg, a guy who's saved 29 and 32 games the last two years with around a 3.50s era, that doesn't make much money also has pretty good value. So I don't think this trade is as bad as some on this board think it is. Because we don't really know how much value a guy like Ceda has.

[Guest]

I hope Gregg is flipped to the Padres just because I want to see SSR eat about 34254 hats at this point.

[imb]

Thankfully Lou is nothing if not patient with guys who walk people, so he should be able to get the most out of Gregg.

 

first thing i thought of, too

 

we just traded one of our better chips for a guy lou is going to pin to the bullpen bench 10 innings into his cubs career

[17 Seconds]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

[jersey cubs fan]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

 

I can't imagine them wanting Gregg. I could imagine the Mets wanting him, or even the Yankees*, and the Cubs getting something from them that SD or another team would want. I think it is much more likely that they acquired Gregg because they plan on losing either Wood via free agency or Marmol via trade, than to include him in a deal to SD.

 

 

 

*Wouldn't it just be so awesome if they spun Gregg to the Yankees for Melky to get that athletic lefty (switch hitter) bat in the lineup?

[BigbadB]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

 

At the same time, why trade for Gregg now with Wood still potentially in the fold? Could have traded for him after it was determined Wood would not be back.

 

Why not package Ceda and other prospects for Hermida instead?

 

Something doesn't make sense about this unless it's leading to another trade. And nobody likes making 3 and 4 team trades more than Hendry.

[17 Seconds]

I'm willing to give this move a chance. I agree Ceda should probably be worth more, but we don't really know his value around the league. Plenty of teams could have a bunch of question marks about him and not be that high on him. As much as were bashing Kevin Gregg, a guy who's saved 29 and 32 games the last two years with around a 3.50s era, that doesn't make much money also has pretty good value. So I don't think this trade is as bad as some on this board think it is. Because we don't really know how much value a guy like Ceda has.

 

Explain to me how Kevin Gregg is better than Michael Wuertz.