TheRaven

As a Yankee fan, I hope this is not true. :(

I would rather not risk it and just resign Demp.

Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? No. Trading Ceda for Gregg wasn't the only alternative to not signing Wood. What are some realistic alternatives that can be had? Perhaps comparing them will be helpful. We're not in contact with other GMs so there is no way we could possibly know who is available. That's kind of a silly thing to ask. Then it is kind of silly to say that there are better alternatives. A) He never said there were better alternatives B) Just because you can't give examples of something doesn't mean it's not true A) He said there are alternatives. He wishes they explored those alternatives. Can one not assume that he is referring to a better alternative then? B) When backing up words and statements, thus making them meaningful, there should be something there to back it up. Otherwise, they are just empty words. It might be what you believe, but it certainly does not make it fact. That is the beauty of stats and baseball. You can find stats to back up your arguments. When someone wants to know who is the best player, you can prove it rather than just saying it.

Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? No. Trading Ceda for Gregg wasn't the only alternative to not signing Wood. What are some realistic alternatives that can be had? Perhaps comparing them will be helpful. We're not in contact with other GMs so there is no way we could possibly know who is available. That's kind of a silly thing to ask. Then it is kind of silly to say that there are better alternatives.

Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? No. Trading Ceda for Gregg wasn't the only alternative to not signing Wood. What are some realistic alternatives that can be had? Perhaps comparing them will be helpful.

This looks like a good deal for the Yankees. Being a fan, I am pleased to see their first step into this offseason be a positive one. Now hopefully the CC rumors will not pan out.

Then state it as the deal is: Gregg for Ceda + Wood and a 4 year guaranteed high dollar contract. How about: 1 year of Gregg as closer four first round draft picks $35M to spend elsewhere over 4 years vs Ceda + Wood Does that make anyone feel any better? Surely they could have gotten more than Ceda, though. There are superior alternatives to replacing Wood's 9th inning and Marmol's 7th/8th innings. Why do you feel that Ceda could have commanded more?

I'm pretty sure he's confusing you with JeffH, who would still bash Hendry even if he brought home 4 straight World Series titles. that guy cracks me up. raven: are you really confusing me with that dude? No, I am not confusing you with anyone. It is clear, to me, where the conversation started and how it has continued. If it is not to you, then perhaps go back and read it again.

That hardly is trade value. As to the trade itself, I really haven't commented on the aspect of it being a good or bad move. I have commented numerous times that the deal is not worth blowing up the GM over. Where did I "blow up"? I said it was a bad trade. And why are you only questioning me when everyone else is saying the same thing? Did I bang your girl or something? That is precisely it.

That hardly is trade value. As to the trade itself, I really haven't commented on the aspect of it being a good or bad move. I have commented numerous times that the deal is not worth blowing up the GM over.

That is the whole point of this thread. You summed it up beautifully. If Ceda isn't that great of a player and we won't really regret getting rid of him, why is everyone up in arms about it? Ah, yes, my mistake. I did not know how to reference a WHIP stat, even though I brought up one. You, sir, are good. "That is the whole point of this thread. You summed it up beautifully. If Ceda isn't that great of a player and we won't really regret getting rid of him, why is everyone up in arms about it?" Oh my god. BECAUSE HE HAS TRADE VALUE. This really isn't hard to understand. Everybody and their mothers understand how trade value works and that Gregg's value is less than Ceda's....except you. Then take the time to show it to me. If you can take the time to respond to all of my messages, then surely that is not too much for you to do. What are you basing this statement of absolute truth off of? Surely there must be a better reason than 'because I said it was'. That is all you have shown thus far. And how can a player that isn't that great, that we won't miss, have such a high value that it is worth publicly trashing the GM over? Take time to show you what? His trade value? Are you being serious right now? How could I possibly do that? How about this..... show me that he doesn't have the best trade value of any player ever... in the history of baseball. SHOW ME OR IT ISN'T TRUE. Seriously, you're saying some pretty dumb things right now. I can show you what relief minor league prospects typically get traded for. That is what trade value is. It shows what the market values of that type of player in that type of position. Trust me, I am aware I say lots of dumb things. It does happen. I am just wondering how smart it is to say for fact that Ceda has more trade value than Gregg, and then come out and say you have no way to show that.

That is the whole point of this thread. You summed it up beautifully. If Ceda isn't that great of a player and we won't really regret getting rid of him, why is everyone up in arms about it? Ah, yes, my mistake. I did not know how to reference a WHIP stat, even though I brought up one. You, sir, are good. "That is the whole point of this thread. You summed it up beautifully. If Ceda isn't that great of a player and we won't really regret getting rid of him, why is everyone up in arms about it?" Oh my god. BECAUSE HE HAS TRADE VALUE. This really isn't hard to understand. Everybody and their mothers understand how trade value works and that Gregg's value is less than Ceda's....except you. Then take the time to show it to me. If you can take the time to respond to all of my messages, then surely that is not too much for you to do. What are you basing this statement of absolute truth off of? Surely there must be a better reason than 'because I said it was'. That is all you have shown thus far. And how can a player that isn't that great, that we won't miss, have such a high value that it is worth publicly trashing the GM over?

The numbers aren't valid for comparison as they were not facing even remotely the same talent pool. It is highly unlikely that Jose Ceda is major league ready next year, and to the point that he is ready to be an above average major league reliever. Those are not his actual numbers, those are his MLE (major league equivalents). Most players make the jump from AA to the majors. It is not highly unlikely that Ceda will pitch in the majors next year by any stretch of the imagination. I did miss the part where you began with MLE and just looked right at the numbers. My mistake on that aspect.

That is the whole point of this thread. You summed it up beautifully. If Ceda isn't that great of a player and we won't really regret getting rid of him, why is everyone up in arms about it? Ah, yes, my mistake. I did not know how to reference a WHIP stat, even though I brought up one. You, sir, are good.

You hit the nail on the head.