Cubs acquire Kevin Gregg for Jose Ceda

[Elrhino]

If we show Kerry Wood the door because of Kevin freakin' Gregg, I'm going to fly into a murderous rage.

 

He won't be shown the door because of Kevin freakin' Gregg; he'll be shown the door because he's a big name reliever hitting the market with a lot of big money teams looking for closers and he's shown very little history of staying healthy for an extended period of time.

[WrigleyinEngland]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

 

time of the month??

[jersey cubs fan]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

 

Not accounting at all is not the same thing as hitting being the most important thing for a 1b. And Lee is nearly as good defensively as his reputation suggests.

[apete6]

I'm willing to give this move a chance. I agree Ceda should probably be worth more, but we don't really know his value around the league. Plenty of teams could have a bunch of question marks about him and not be that high on him. As much as were bashing Kevin Gregg, a guy who's saved 29 and 32 games the last two years with around a 3.50s era, that doesn't make much money also has pretty good value. So I don't think this trade is as bad as some on this board think it is. Because we don't really know how much value a guy like Ceda has.

 

Any chance Gregg is a Type A after next season if he performs decently?

 

Not that I have any faith in our drafting crew, but 2 1st round picks and a year of Gregg for Todd Walker (via Ceda) would be a good return.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I really don't like this move. I felt we could get a lot more for Ceda if were inclined to include him in a deal.

 

I'm hoping that Greg is flipped to the Padres in the Peavy deal, but somehow I doubt that. It's just my hope that could at least help me rationalize why we sent Ceda for an over-rated reliever like Gregg.

 

My guess is if Wood walks, Marmol will close with Ceda helping out with the set-up duties. I guess Lou wanted a few more veteran arms in the pen.

[17 Seconds]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

 

At the same time, why trade for Gregg now with Wood still potentially in the fold? Could have traded for him after it was determined Wood would not be back.

 

Why not package Ceda and other prospects for Hermida instead?

 

Something doesn't make sense about this unless it's leading to another trade. And nobody likes making 3 and 4 team trades more than Hendry.

 

It still doesn't make sense to me either. It feels like Hendry has already conceded that he won't re-sign Wood. Is it because he doesn't want to, or is it because he feels strongly that he's going to get certain otehr players and won't be able to afford him?

[17 Seconds]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

 

Not accounting at all is not the same thing as hitting being the most important thing for a 1b. And Lee is nearly as good defensively as his reputation suggests.

 

Ok, so if a guy with average defense is considered "good", then what would that same guy be considered with very good defense?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm willing to give this move a chance. I agree Ceda should probably be worth more, but we don't really know his value around the league. Plenty of teams could have a bunch of question marks about him and not be that high on him. As much as were bashing Kevin Gregg, a guy who's saved 29 and 32 games the last two years with around a 3.50s era, that doesn't make much money also has pretty good value. So I don't think this trade is as bad as some on this board think it is. Because we don't really know how much value a guy like Ceda has.

 

Any chance Gregg is a Type A after next season if he performs decently?

 

Not that I have any faith in our drafting crew, but 2 1st round picks and a year of Gregg for Todd Walker (via Ceda) would be a good return.

 

He could be, yes.

[kujay]

I don't feel strongly about this either way. He's a fine bullpen arm. Sure as Howry he's better than, uh, Howry.

[17 Seconds]

It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves of something being up. Why the hell owuld the Padres want Kevin Gregg? I can just see it now

 

Towers: "Look Jim, I really like the package you're offering...it's just one player short. I MUST have Kevin Gregg in this deal.Nobody you have can take his place. We're talking about Jake Peavy here. Get Kevin Gregg and you've got yourself a deal."

 

time of the month??

 

?

 

Nothing I said was hostile or with anger, so if you're taking it that way then that's your problem.

[UMFan83]

I think 75% of relievers in baseball could save 30 games if they were made the closer for an 80+ win team. A lot of them would blow less than 9 of them too. Kevin Hart could probably close 30 games. So yeah.

[YearofDaCubs]

What a STUPID trade!

[soonercub]

If trading for Greg is proactive to Wood going elsewhere than I applaud Jim for be proactive. Remember other teams can talk length of contract already just not $$'s. So maybe someone is going to offer Wood several years and the Cubs don't want to go that long.

[anabiono]

If trading for Greg is proactive to Wood going elsewhere than I applaud Jim for be proactive. Remember other teams can talk length of contract already just not $$'s. So maybe someone is going to offer Wood several years and the Cubs don't want to go that long.

 

i agree with this

 

i am pissed about this trade just because i was hoping to see the name hermida in a trade involved with the marlins this offseason...and gregg could be a throw in...

 

however, since it is just gregg...wood would seem to be all but gone at this point...

 

our bullpen is a question mark right now, so it isn't the worst move i have ever seen

[apete6]

I'm willing to give this move a chance. I agree Ceda should probably be worth more, but we don't really know his value around the league. Plenty of teams could have a bunch of question marks about him and not be that high on him. As much as were bashing Kevin Gregg, a guy who's saved 29 and 32 games the last two years with around a 3.50s era, that doesn't make much money also has pretty good value. So I don't think this trade is as bad as some on this board think it is. Because we don't really know how much value a guy like Ceda has.

 

Any chance Gregg is a Type A after next season if he performs decently?

 

Not that I have any faith in our drafting crew, but 2 1st round picks and a year of Gregg for Todd Walker (via Ceda) would be a good return.

 

He could be, yes.

 

Well, hopefully he has a great year setting up Marmol AND Wood and then gets a huge contract elsewhere next year, netting us 2 1st rounders. :D

[Guest]

meh.

 

He'll likely be type a after this season and we'll get two draft picks to replace Ceda. And Ceda may have been the Cubs #4 prospect, but he's also a reasonable bet to flame out unless he can both gain consistency on the slider and command of the strike zone.

 

Gregg is nothing special, but not horrendous, either. As long as his "Proven Closer" label keeps Marmol in his most valuable role, then I'm reasonably happy.

[erik316wttn]

Thankfully Lou is nothing if not patient with guys who walk people, so he should be able to get the most out of Gregg.

 

first thing i thought of, too

 

we just traded one of our better chips for a guy lou is going to pin to the bullpen bench 10 innings into his cubs career

 

Wow. IMB and I agree on something.

 

I'm pretty sure this is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

[abuck1220]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

 

someone needs a nap.

[JonnyRed]

Boy, I've missed all the knee jerk reactions since the season has ended.

 

I was really high on Ceda as well, but I think he slipped this year posting a 4-3 record, 9 saves and 3.83 ERA at A and AA, which isn't great. Plus people are concerned about his weight. So thinking we could get more for him is debatable.

 

I really don't think Jim believes that Gregg can or will replace Woody. And Woody has proven his loyalty to the Cubs in the past, so I fully expect him to resign unless he is blown away by a new deal.

 

My guess is that Gregg was acquired to take the place of Howry, or hopefully to be included in a Peavy deal since the Pads apparently will be in the market for a closer.

[17 Seconds]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

 

someone needs a nap.

 

What is your deal? We're having a conversation and then when you can't defend yourself anymore you change the subject and act like I'm pissy? Kind of interesting.

[abuck1220]

I said very good player, not very good hitter

 

Hitting is by far the most important aspect of any postition player, so there's no distinction there.

 

But it's not the only thing. You don't think a "good" player with below average defense could become a "very good" player with elite defense?

 

not a freaking 1b.

 

Okay, do defense shouldn't be accounted for at all just because he's a 1B? That's basically what you're saying right now.

 

So Jason Giambi and Derrek Lee put up identical numbers next season. By your logic they should both be rated equally even though when is great defensively and one is a nightmare. Nice.

 

someone needs a nap.

 

What is your deal? We're having a conversation and then when you can't defend yourself anymore you change the subject and act like I'm pissy? Kind of interesting.

 

you're acting like a seven year old who missed his nap, that's all.

 

good defense is nice, but i don't super care about it or anything...especially for a 1b.

[YearofDaCubs]

Jesse Rogers on the radio is now saying he's hearing that Hendry said Wood is done in Chicago and that's why the trade was made.

[Old Style]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

:banghead:

[Post Count Padder]

Jesse Rogers on the radio is now saying he's hearing that Hendry said Wood is done in Chicago and that's why the trade was made.

If that's true, I'll be sooo mad.

[Abe Frohman]

I love Kerry Wood, I really do - but is this really such a bad transaction?

 

Wood is probably going to get what, around $7-10 million a year? Would he get that much as a setup guy? Moving Marmol to the closer role or putting Gregg there for $3-5 million isn't such a bad idea if you are going to be dishing out to get another 1-2 starter and maybe a resigning one.

 

If we land Peavy and Dempster....