Cubs acquire Kevin Gregg for Jose Ceda

[erik316wttn]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

 

I'm not calling him and idiot so much for that. I'm not giddy about this trade by any means, but I wouldn't be nearly as pissed if we'd be keeping Kerry Wood.

 

I'm too much of a fan and I get too emotionally attached to players. I'd make a lousy GM.

[XZero771679666304]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

Nope.

 

Then again, I'm not calling Hendry an idiot, I just hate what he's doing here. I'm sick of him focusing on acquiring other people's middle aged relievers, whether it's via trade or free agency. It's not stupid to let Wood walk. It is odd to me to let Wood walk so you can resign Dempster.

 

I don't think Hendry re-signs Wood even if you take Dempster completely out of the equation.

 

Giving Demps a 4/55 deal would be foolish, but it wouldn't have anything to do with Wood.

[cubsfan26]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

Nope.

 

Then again, I'm not calling Hendry an idiot, I just hate what he's doing here. I'm sick of him focusing on acquiring other people's middle aged relievers, whether it's via trade or free agency. It's not stupid to let Wood walk. It is odd to me to let Wood walk so you can resign Dempster.

 

 

Hopefully it's not to resign Dempster, but to get Peavy and add a RF.

[TheRaven]

Minor league relief pitchers rarely have trade value. #4 Cubs prospect or not, I don't see him as being a deal breaker in any potential trade.

 

Exactly. If Ceda had potential to start then this is a bad trade, but I see this as the Cubs trading future Kevin Gregg type reliever for the present Kevin Gregg. The only thing that sucks is the cost, but that offset by him becoming a FA after next season. So I don't know why people are upset about Ceda/Gregg deal, it's a blah deal no doubt.

 

So you are OK with trading 6 years of controlable extremely low average cost Kevin Gregg for 1 year of somehwat costly Kevin Gregg?

 

If so, then if you give me 6 $20 bills, I'll give you a one crisp $20 bill.

 

So you are guaranteeing that Ceda will have success in the majors?

 

Not saying there is a shot, or even going as far as to say it is likely..you are saying for 100% fact that he will have an impact in the majors?

 

Because otherwise your $20 bill comparison is useless.

[mul21]

Any chance of Hendry planning on flipping Gregg to SD in a Peavy deal? They need a closer. Maybe Hendry is saying Wood is gone for some sort of leverage? (I don't know leverage on what, my friend just mentioned the idea)

 

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer.

 

So Hendry sees Gregg as a solid reliever for the price who has closed for two years but people around the league wouldnt? I have a really hard time believing that.

 

The Cubs are competing next year. The Padres are not.

 

Pretty simple.

 

Also, off track thought here: Padres want him because it's an "expiring contract" that they won't be tied to long term and with as crappy as their farm system is, they want the 2 picks to help start the rebuilding process.

 

Just an out there thought without anything to back it up.

[nilodnayr]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

 

From what I see, many are also tying it into losing Wood.

 

I am usually big on holding onto prospects, but I don't see the allure of a minor league reliever to get so damn upset at the GM to call him names and question whether he can do the job.

 

 

For everyone who hates on a guy because hes a dominant reliever I would like you to familiarize yourself with a concept called "leverage".

[TheRaven]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

 

From what I see, many are also tying it into losing Wood.

 

I am usually big on holding onto prospects, but I don't see the allure of a minor league reliever to get so damn upset at the GM to call him names and question whether he can do the job.

 

 

For everyone who hates on a guy because hes a dominant reliever I would like you to familiarize yourself with a concept called "leverage".

 

What leverage does Ceda hold on the market? Show me.

[nilodnayr]

Minor league relief pitchers rarely have trade value. #4 Cubs prospect or not, I don't see him as being a deal breaker in any potential trade.

 

Exactly. If Ceda had potential to start then this is a bad trade, but I see this as the Cubs trading future Kevin Gregg type reliever for the present Kevin Gregg. The only thing that sucks is the cost, but that offset by him becoming a FA after next season. So I don't know why people are upset about Ceda/Gregg deal, it's a blah deal no doubt.

 

So you are OK with trading 6 years of controlable extremely low average cost Kevin Gregg for 1 year of somehwat costly Kevin Gregg?

 

If so, then if you give me 6 $20 bills, I'll give you a one crisp $20 bill.

 

So you are guaranteeing that Ceda will have success in the majors?

 

Not saying there is a shot, or even going as far as to say it is likely..you are saying for 100% fact that he will have an impact in the majors?

 

Because otherwise your $20 bill comparison is useless.

 

He has nearly as good a shot as Gregg does next year.

[erik316wttn]

Wood at 3/24 would still be a better bet than Demp at 4/55. At least Wood has had more than one season of success in his career.

Hasn't Dempster been an All-Star twice?

 

Yes, in his only two good years in his career.

 

This isn't about Ryan Dempster. Letting Wood go when you have a cheap in house option and Kerry is going to get 3-4 year offers in the range of 10-12 million per is not a bad move.

 

It sucks for those of us who really love the guy, but unless Kerry would have signed for 60% of other offers and for half the years, this is the right move.

 

A bullpen with Marmol and Wood at the back end >>>>>>>>>>>>> a bullpen with Gregg and Marmol at the back end.

 

We now lose the option of bringing probably the most dominant reliever in baseball into tight spots because of this BS "closers can only work the 9th inning" mentality, and we'll sorely miss it next season.

[RedFlash]

Minor league relief pitchers rarely have trade value. #4 Cubs prospect or not, I don't see him as being a deal breaker in any potential trade.

 

Exactly. If Ceda had potential to start then this is a bad trade, but I see this as the Cubs trading future Kevin Gregg type reliever for the present Kevin Gregg. The only thing that sucks is the cost, but that offset by him becoming a FA after next season. So I don't know why people are upset about Ceda/Gregg deal, it's a blah deal no doubt.

 

So you are OK with trading 6 years of controlable extremely low average cost Kevin Gregg for 1 year of somehwat costly Kevin Gregg?

 

If so, then if you give me 6 $20 bills, I'll give you a one crisp $20 bill.

 

If it turns out that the 6 $20 bills turn out to be fake money, then me getting one $20 would be a steal.

We traded a relief prospect for a reliever who I still think Hendry could still flip. Just because he was the Cubs 4th best prospect, doesn't mean he has that kind of value.

[TheRaven]

Minor league relief pitchers rarely have trade value. #4 Cubs prospect or not, I don't see him as being a deal breaker in any potential trade.

 

Exactly. If Ceda had potential to start then this is a bad trade, but I see this as the Cubs trading future Kevin Gregg type reliever for the present Kevin Gregg. The only thing that sucks is the cost, but that offset by him becoming a FA after next season. So I don't know why people are upset about Ceda/Gregg deal, it's a blah deal no doubt.

 

So you are OK with trading 6 years of controlable extremely low average cost Kevin Gregg for 1 year of somehwat costly Kevin Gregg?

 

If so, then if you give me 6 $20 bills, I'll give you a one crisp $20 bill.

 

So you are guaranteeing that Ceda will have success in the majors?

 

Not saying there is a shot, or even going as far as to say it is likely..you are saying for 100% fact that he will have an impact in the majors?

 

Because otherwise your $20 bill comparison is useless.

 

He has nearly as good a shot as Gregg does next year.

 

That is not fact. That is purely speculation.

[BigbadB]

Any chance of Hendry planning on flipping Gregg to SD in a Peavy deal? They need a closer. Maybe Hendry is saying Wood is gone for some sort of leverage? (I don't know leverage on what, my friend just mentioned the idea)

 

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer.

 

Why not? They've been paying 8m a year for a mediocre closer for years.

[nilodnayr]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

 

From what I see, many are also tying it into losing Wood.

 

I am usually big on holding onto prospects, but I don't see the allure of a minor league reliever to get so damn upset at the GM to call him names and question whether he can do the job.

 

 

For everyone who hates on a guy because hes a dominant reliever I would like you to familiarize yourself with a concept called "leverage".

 

What leverage does Ceda hold on the market? Show me.

 

Leverage as in "high leverage situation". You cast the scarlet R on him, but bringing in a guy to mow down a teams 2-3-4 hitters in the 8th inning in a close game is about as valuable as an average starter performing averagely for the first 6 innings of a game.

[nilodnayr]

Minor league relief pitchers rarely have trade value. #4 Cubs prospect or not, I don't see him as being a deal breaker in any potential trade.

 

Exactly. If Ceda had potential to start then this is a bad trade, but I see this as the Cubs trading future Kevin Gregg type reliever for the present Kevin Gregg. The only thing that sucks is the cost, but that offset by him becoming a FA after next season. So I don't know why people are upset about Ceda/Gregg deal, it's a blah deal no doubt.

 

So you are OK with trading 6 years of controlable extremely low average cost Kevin Gregg for 1 year of somehwat costly Kevin Gregg?

 

If so, then if you give me 6 $20 bills, I'll give you a one crisp $20 bill.

 

So you are guaranteeing that Ceda will have success in the majors?

 

Not saying there is a shot, or even going as far as to say it is likely..you are saying for 100% fact that he will have an impact in the majors?

 

Because otherwise your $20 bill comparison is useless.

 

He has nearly as good a shot as Gregg does next year.

 

That is not fact. That is purely speculation.

No [expletive] sherlock

[RammyFanny]

I'm not the biggest fan of the trade, but I find it funny how people are complaining how we just got another "expensive" reliever and then proceed to whine when we don't hand out 40-50 million to Wood, another reliever. Woods obviously better, but there's no way i'm giving that type of oney to an injury prone reliever with a tear in his throwing shoulder.

[nilodnayr]

Any chance of Hendry planning on flipping Gregg to SD in a Peavy deal? They need a closer. Maybe Hendry is saying Wood is gone for some sort of leverage? (I don't know leverage on what, my friend just mentioned the idea)

 

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer.

 

Why not? They've been paying 8m a year for a mediocre closer for years.

 

Because they rescinded a 4M offer to a mediocre closer this year?

 

And that was a guy they'd have to give up 0 players for?

 

Come on.

[TheRaven]

So for those lamenting the potential loss of Wood and calling Hendry an idiot, are you saying that he should resign Wood at all costs? Give Wood a long contract? Because you wouldn't then be calling him an idiot for guaranteeing him big money over numerous years?

 

People are calling Hendry an idiot for trading Ceda for Kevin effing Gregg

 

From what I see, many are also tying it into losing Wood.

 

I am usually big on holding onto prospects, but I don't see the allure of a minor league reliever to get so damn upset at the GM to call him names and question whether he can do the job.

 

 

For everyone who hates on a guy because hes a dominant reliever I would like you to familiarize yourself with a concept called "leverage".

 

What leverage does Ceda hold on the market? Show me.

 

Leverage as in "high leverage situation". You cast the scarlet R on him, but bringing in a guy to mow down a teams 2-3-4 hitters in the 8th inning in a close game is about as valuable as an average starter performing averagely for the first 6 innings of a game.

 

You speak as if it is fact that Ceda will be that dominant of a major league reliever. That is a large reach as of right now.

[nilodnayr]

I'm not the biggest fan of the trade, but I find it funny how people are complaining how we just got another "expensive" reliever and then proceed to whine when we don't hand out 40-50 million to Wood, another reliever. Woods obviously better, but there's no way i'm giving that type of oney to an injury prone reliever with a tear in his throwing shoulder.

 

I agree, I am in the camp of thinking the trade was idiotic and also am not a fan of giving out a ton of money to wood. Our choices weren't just kevin gregg and Kerry wood you know.

[XZero771679666304]

Wood at 3/24 would still be a better bet than Demp at 4/55. At least Wood has had more than one season of success in his career.

Hasn't Dempster been an All-Star twice?

 

Yes, in his only two good years in his career.

 

This isn't about Ryan Dempster. Letting Wood go when you have a cheap in house option and Kerry is going to get 3-4 year offers in the range of 10-12 million per is not a bad move.

 

It sucks for those of us who really love the guy, but unless Kerry would have signed for 60% of other offers and for half the years, this is the right move.

 

A bullpen with Marmol and Wood at the back end >>>>>>>>>>>>> a bullpen with Gregg and Marmol at the back end.

 

We now lose the option of bringing probably the most dominant reliever in baseball into tight spots because of this BS "closers can only work the 9th inning" mentality, and we'll sorely miss it next season.

 

Of course Marmol/Wood is better than Gregg/Marmol.

 

But the risk of signing Kerry to a competitive offer giver his injury history is just too high.

 

Listen, I love Kerry as much as anyone. But signing him @ 3/30 or more would be even dumber than trading Jose Ceda for Kevin Gregg.

[SouthSideRyan]

Any chance of Hendry planning on flipping Gregg to SD in a Peavy deal? They need a closer. Maybe Hendry is saying Wood is gone for some sort of leverage? (I don't know leverage on what, my friend just mentioned the idea)

 

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer.

 

Why not? They've been paying 8m a year for a mediocre closer for years.

 

Because they rescinded a 4M offer to a mediocre closer this year?

 

And that was a guy they'd have to give up 0 players for?

 

Come on.

 

And is one of the most popular players in franchise history.

[mul21]

 

Of course Marmol/Wood is better than Gregg/Marmol.

 

But the risk of signing Kerry to a competitive offer giver his injury history is just too high.

 

Listen, I love Kerry as much as anyone. But signing him @ 3/30 or more would be even dumber than trading Jose Ceda for Kevin Gregg.

 

Yes, this. Especially the or more part that is more likely than the 3/30.

[Peoriaman]

Good move by Hendry.

[erik316wttn]

Wood at 3/24 would still be a better bet than Demp at 4/55. At least Wood has had more than one season of success in his career.

Hasn't Dempster been an All-Star twice?

 

Yes, in his only two good years in his career.

 

This isn't about Ryan Dempster. Letting Wood go when you have a cheap in house option and Kerry is going to get 3-4 year offers in the range of 10-12 million per is not a bad move.

 

It sucks for those of us who really love the guy, but unless Kerry would have signed for 60% of other offers and for half the years, this is the right move.

 

A bullpen with Marmol and Wood at the back end >>>>>>>>>>>>> a bullpen with Gregg and Marmol at the back end.

 

We now lose the option of bringing probably the most dominant reliever in baseball into tight spots because of this BS "closers can only work the 9th inning" mentality, and we'll sorely miss it next season.

 

Of course Marmol/Wood is better than Gregg/Marmol.

 

But the risk of signing Kerry to a competitive offer giver his injury history is just too high.

 

Listen, I love Kerry as much as anyone. But signing him @ 3/30 or more would be even dumber than trading Jose Ceda for Kevin Gregg.

 

Would that have been the floor for Wood? 3/30 and not a penny less? Would he have given us another discount for a bit below market value? If not, ok, maybe I could learn to live with it. But if so, Hendry should be drawn and quartered. Or at least fired.

[jmajew]

Wood at 3/24 would still be a better bet than Demp at 4/55. At least Wood has had more than one season of success in his career.

Hasn't Dempster been an All-Star twice?

 

Yes, in his only two good years in his career.

 

This isn't about Ryan Dempster. Letting Wood go when you have a cheap in house option and Kerry is going to get 3-4 year offers in the range of 10-12 million per is not a bad move.

 

It sucks for those of us who really love the guy, but unless Kerry would have signed for 60% of other offers and for half the years, this is the right move.

 

A bullpen with Marmol and Wood at the back end >>>>>>>>>>>>> a bullpen with Gregg and Marmol at the back end.

 

We now lose the option of bringing probably the most dominant reliever in baseball into tight spots because of this BS "closers can only work the 9th inning" mentality, and we'll sorely miss it next season.

 

I would guess that Gregg would be the closer and Marmol would remain in his current spot. What do we have to lead us that we would switch Marmol and Gregg both out of their current roles? As of now I'm looking at a backen of the rotation of Samardizja, Marmol, and Gregg. That isn't too shabby and way more cost effective than keeping Woody. It also gives us an extra 5 mil to give to a new RF.

[BigbadB]

Any chance of Hendry planning on flipping Gregg to SD in a Peavy deal? They need a closer. Maybe Hendry is saying Wood is gone for some sort of leverage? (I don't know leverage on what, my friend just mentioned the idea)

 

People really need to stop suggesting this as a possiblility. The Padres don't want a 5M mediocrity as their closer.

 

Why not? They've been paying 8m a year for a mediocre closer for years.

 

Because they rescinded a 4M offer to a mediocre closer this year?

 

And that was a guy they'd have to give up 0 players for?

 

Come on.

 

The Padres rescinded the offer because the pitcher in question had no intention of signing for that offer, not that they weren't willing to give it to him.

 

In the meantime, the Padres are minus a closer.