Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[daske17]

The Rangers need pitching. Hicks may see this as a marketing move as well.

 

-cough- Chan Ho Park -cough-

 

And before anyone says anything, I realize that Chan Ho Park wasn't very good to begin with, but if I'm Hicks I'm reticent for any big price pitchers who have yet to prove themselves in the MLB.

[CP_414]

I'm not expecting anything, but Matsuzaka would be a huge get for the Cubs.

 

Was it ever decided if Kuroda is indeed coming over to MLB this offseason?

[CubsWin]

He's still my number one choice. I would love it if the Cubs bid big for him. I say 23 million for the right to negotiate and a 6/55 contract.

 

Realistic?

 

The 23 mill might not get it done with the Yanks in the picture, though.

 

I don't see him getting 6/55.

Do you see him getting more or less?

 

With the 23 mill thats 6 years for 78 mill or 13 mill per season total. The contract could break down like 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10. Are you saying teams wouldn't do that because he is an unknown in the majors or that he and Boras wouldn't do that?

[Warpticon]

The Rangers need pitching. Hicks may see this as a marketing move as well.

 

-cough- Chan Ho Park -cough-

 

And before anyone says anything, I realize that Chan Ho Park wasn't very good to begin with, but if I'm Hicks I'm reticent for any big price pitchers who have yet to prove themselves in the MLB.

 

What? I'm struggling to figure out any connection whatsoever between Chan Ho Park and Daisuke Matsuzaka other than being Asian. Park is not Japanese, and thereby was never posted. He had pitched for the Dodgers for eight years before signing with teh Rangers. And finally, he had put together good to very good seasons in four of the previous five seasons. So "not very good to begin with" is wrong, "yet to prove themselves in the MLB" is wrong, and pretty much any correlation with Matsuzaka is nonexistent.

[E.J.]

Looks like Igawa will be posted. From Rotoworld:

 

Hanshin expected to post Igawa

Kei Igawa - S - INT - Nov. 3 - 5:49 pm et

 

The Hanshin Tigers are reportedly prepared to post left-hander Kei Igawa, Sponichi reported Friday.

According to the report, Igawa has already enlisted Arn Tellem as his agent. The Braves, Mariners and Dodgers are among the teams that have been mentioned in connection with Igawa. The 27-year-old went 13-8 with a 3.11 ERA last season. Nov. 3 - 5:49 pm et

Source: The Daily Yomiuri

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

[otis89]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

 

Maybe I'm just imagining things, but I thought Adam Katz was Sosa's agent.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Dallas Morning News confirms the Rangers are preparing a bid for Matsuzaka.

 

Link.

[CubsWin]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

 

Maybe I'm just imagining things, but I thought Adam Katz was Sosa's agent.

You're not imagining things. Katz was/is his agent.

[CubsWin]

The Dallas Morning News confirms the Rangers are preparing a bid for Matsuzaka.

 

Link.

Here is the pertinent info from the article.

The bidding is expected to exceed $20 million. And then a contract would have to be negotiated with agent Scott Boras. He is expected to seek five years and upwards of $10 million per year.

 

Matsuzaka is considered equal to top free agents Barry Zito and Jason Schmidt. He was 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA and 200 strikeouts in 186 1/3 innings this season.

 

Matsuzaka might not be the only Japanese pitcher in which the Rangers have interest. Lefty Kei Igawa, 27, could also be posted this winter. Right-hander Hiroki Kuroda, 31, is a free agent, but has yet to decide if he wants to leave Japan. The Chicago Cubs, also interested in Matsuzaka, are reportedly interested in Kuroda.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

 

Tellem is Nomar's agent.

[imb]

I really think that 30 million is what it will take, and it will come down to us and the Yankees.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

 

Tellem is Nomar's agent.

 

Ah yes, thank you. Well that's different then, Cubs seemed to be on excellent terms with Nomar.

[snoodmonger]

I believe Tellem was Sosa's agent, so we can pretty much forget about Igawa.

 

Tellem is Nomar's agent.

 

Ah yes, thank you. Well that's different then, Cubs seemed to be on excellent terms with Nomar.

 

 

Am I incorrect in thinking it probably woudn't matter in the posting system anyway? Even if the agent is on bad realtions w/ a club, he has zero leverage if the player wants to play MLB. He either signs or goes back to japan. And according to 1908, it might be considered disrespectful to cost your team the posting fee.

[CubFanPhilly]

Am I incorrect in thinking it probably woudn't matter in the posting system anyway? Even if the agent is on bad realtions w/ a club, he has zero leverage if the player wants to play MLB. He either signs or goes back to japan. And according to 1908, it might be considered disrespectful to cost your team the posting fee.

 

You're right it wouldn't matter.

 

If he declines the contract and goes back to Japan, he's essentially saying, "thanks for giving me my wish and posting me, but I unfortunately I couldn't work out a contract. I'm sure you won't mind having me play for you another year before I become a free agent, or that my decision costs you ~$35 million" (posting fee and another year's contract).

 

I think that'd be seen as a universal sign of disrepect - regardless of culture. :)

[E.J.]

Looks like we have some tampering allegations

 

At least three teams have attempted under-the-table negotiations to obtain Japanese ace Daisuke Matsuzaka, a Japanese newspaper reported. Major League Baseball said yesterday that nothing has been brought to its attention.

 

 

ankei Sports quoted an unnamed Seibu executive making the charge, and he refused to identify the teams. "It is tampering, so I refused to meet them," the executive said.

 

While the bidding process is sealed, a team could offer inducements other than cash if Seibu agreed to accept only part of the bid, allowing the team to make a larger bid to secure the right to sign Matsuzaka.

 

MLB, which reportedly sent out a memo to teams to warn them against tampering, said it is aware of such rumors and takes what safeguards it can against circumventing the system. And major-league teams would probably be eager to turn each other in if they had inklings of improprieties, which apparently has not happened in this case.

[shnsajax]

Looks like we have some tampering allegations

 

At least three teams have attempted under-the-table negotiations to obtain Japanese ace Daisuke Matsuzaka, a Japanese newspaper reported. Major League Baseball said yesterday that nothing has been brought to its attention.

 

 

ankei Sports quoted an unnamed Seibu executive making the charge, and he refused to identify the teams. "It is tampering, so I refused to meet them," the executive said.

 

While the bidding process is sealed, a team could offer inducements other than cash if Seibu agreed to accept only part of the bid, allowing the team to make a larger bid to secure the right to sign Matsuzaka.

 

MLB, which reportedly sent out a memo to teams to warn them against tampering, said it is aware of such rumors and takes what safeguards it can against circumventing the system. And major-league teams would probably be eager to turn each other in if they had inklings of improprieties, which apparently has not happened in this case.

 

It would be great if this came public before the posting period ends and those teams bids were retracted. Of course unless its the Cubs :-). I would guess the Mets and Yankees are involved.

[daske17]

The Rangers need pitching. Hicks may see this as a marketing move as well.

 

-cough- Chan Ho Park -cough-

 

And before anyone says anything, I realize that Chan Ho Park wasn't very good to begin with, but if I'm Hicks I'm reticent for any big price pitchers who have yet to prove themselves in the MLB.

 

What? I'm struggling to figure out any connection whatsoever between Chan Ho Park and Daisuke Matsuzaka other than being Asian. Park is not Japanese, and thereby was never posted. He had pitched for the Dodgers for eight years before signing with teh Rangers. And finally, he had put together good to very good seasons in four of the previous five seasons. So "not very good to begin with" is wrong, "yet to prove themselves in the MLB" is wrong, and pretty much any correlation with Matsuzaka is nonexistent.

 

It had more to do with Hicks getting burned by a pitcher after signing him to a huge deal.

 

Take it easy. I'm sorry that I got you all riled up.

[abuck1220]

if the posting process wasn't so stupid, tampering probably wouldn't be a problem.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It was probably the Cubs trying to send Mark Prior to Japan for a lower posting fee.

[mhuber92211]

what is the timeline for these postings? Is everyone on the same timeline? Is there a deadline?

 

Thanks

[Transmogrified Tiger]

what is the timeline for these postings? Is everyone on the same timeline? Is there a deadline?

 

Thanks

 

Check the thread, it's been asked several times recently.

[Neuby]

When the Cubs where chasing Mike Hampton how much money where they offering?

[CUBZ99]

When the Cubs where chasing Mike Hampton how much money where they offering?

 

I think it was at or over $100MM.

 

edited: Reported to be $102MM over 7 years.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2000/1202/920435.html

[JWCUB]

When the Cubs where chasing Mike Hampton how much money where they offering?

 

I think it was at or over $100MM.

 

edited: Reported to be $102MM over 7 years.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2000/1202/920435.html

 

Glad we lost that one. :shock: