Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[1908]

i guess that's the difference. it kinda feels like the player gets screwed in all of this, but i guess it's similar to being traded, and i have no problem with that.

The player is free to refuse to sign with the winning bidder, and I'm almost positive the player has to agree to be posted for the process to start in the first place. So the player has a lot more control over this than a typical trade transaction.

[RyCubsFan]

A sealed bidding process is often used when one party wants to sell to a relatively sophisticated small number of potential bidders, who are serious about spending the money. It's a pretty efficient process that should get the job done relatively quickly. In this case, the Japanese team wants to maximize their profit of selling off one of their assets, without wasting their time with not serious bidders. The bidders are a relatively small amount of teams that actually put the effort into scouting and want to spend money on the rights to this asset. This benefits the team.

 

Free agency is set up to benefit the player specifically, and the agents try to start bidding wars by leaking numbers, while it's not necessarily in the best interest of teams to get those numbers in the open.

 

This process is fair to all. The bidding teams bid what they think the rights are worth. The team that accepts the offer does so without any supposed preconceived side deals with the bidders. Then the player has the right to accept or reject what the winning bidder offers. You can't just have an open free agency like bidding, because the player isn't a free agent.

 

I don't see why it's "stupid" that one team could lose the bid to a team that offers more.

 

If one team offers a lot more than everybody else, it's not unfair that they have to pay it.

 

i guess that's the difference. it kinda feels like the player gets screwed in all of this, but i guess it's similar to being traded, and i have no problem with that.

 

 

And like Sheffied is making clear he will only play nice if traded to a handful of teams, it appears that Boras has quietly told the teams that Matsuzaka does not want to play for to back off. If that is true, than Matsuzaka is doing alright.

[Vinestal]

I heard on XM the other day that Matsuzaka played in one of the All-star U.S. vs Japan type games that are going on over in Japan right now and he pitched lights out for the first 4 or 5 innings and then blew up in the 6th or something to this effect. Does anyone have his line for this game or more info on how he did. This thread has 30+ pages so Im not really wanting to go digging for it. A link would be great if the info has already been posted.

 

Also are the leagues over there in post season as well? Or are they currently playing regular season, I have no idea what the time table is for thier season. If its the offseason that could explain the fatique in the later innings I suppose.

[1908]

I heard on XM the other day that Matsuzaka played in one of the All-star U.S. vs Japan type games that are going on over in Japan right now and he pitched lights out for the first 4 or 5 innings and then blew up in the 6th or something to this effect.

He's not pitching in this year's MLB-NPB series. Japan roster.

[Vinestal]

I heard on XM the other day that Matsuzaka played in one of the All-star U.S. vs Japan type games that are going on over in Japan right now and he pitched lights out for the first 4 or 5 innings and then blew up in the 6th or something to this effect.

He's not pitching in this year's MLB-NPB series. Japan roster.

 

Bah! I guess I missunderstood. That would have been kool though. Thanks for the quick response 1908.

 

I found some video of Matsuzaka on youtube, man he's got some nasty stuff. Im wondering if umpires are going to allow his wind-up. He brings his hands up over his head and then just stands there rocking slightly for about 2 or 3 seconds then delivers. He has both feet on the rubber when he stands there with his hands on his head its bizare.

 

Saw the video here: http://itsouttahere.wordpress.com/2006/10/31/daisuke-matsuzaka-revealed/

sorry if its been posted already. Its video of him throwing a slider (if thats what you want to call it, it moves more like a forkball).

[Mephistopheles]

Kuroda is staying in Japan

 

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstCategory/index.php?cmenuid=6&

[goonys evil twin]

Kuroda is staying in Japan

 

http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstCategory/index.php?cmenuid=6&

 

What was his story?

[Wheelimus]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

[Outshined_One]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

There are other Japanese pitchers out there for the Cubs to pursue beyond those two. However, it sucks that there is now one less on the market.

[1908]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

There are other Japanese pitchers out there for the Cubs to pursue beyond those two.

If Igawa ends up being posted, yes. If not, who did you have in mind this offseason?

[Vinestal]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

There are other Japanese pitchers out there for the Cubs to pursue beyond those two.

If Igawa ends up being posted, yes. If not, who did you have in mind this offseason?

 

Iwamura maybe? I realize he's not a pitcher but I wouldnt mind getting him.

[TheDude]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

How in the world does this make Hendry look stupid? The scouting is relevant either way. Lots of players overseas weigh this decision heavily, as it completely turn their lives upside down.

 

It is a shame the player won't come over viw FA, but I don't see how that's Hendry's fault.

[UBlink]

A sealed bidding process is often used when one party wants to sell to a relatively sophisticated small number of potential bidders, who are serious about spending the money. It's a pretty efficient process that should get the job done relatively quickly. In this case, the Japanese team wants to maximize their profit of selling off one of their assets, without wasting their time with not serious bidders. The bidders are a relatively small amount of teams that actually put the effort into scouting and want to spend money on the rights to this asset. This benefits the team.

 

Free agency is set up to benefit the player specifically, and the agents try to start bidding wars by leaking numbers, while it's not necessarily in the best interest of teams to get those numbers in the open.

 

This process is fair to all. The bidding teams bid what they think the rights are worth. The team that accepts the offer does so without any supposed preconceived side deals with the bidders. Then the player has the right to accept or reject what the winning bidder offers. You can't just have an open free agency like bidding, because the player isn't a free agent.

 

I don't see why it's "stupid" that one team could lose the bid to a team that offers more.

 

If one team offers a lot more than everybody else, it's not unfair that they have to pay it.

 

Actually, research from game theory has shown that a slight modification to the sealed bidding rules results in "better" outcomes. The auction goes to the highest bidder, but the price paid is the second highest bid. This eliminates the issue of participants worrying about "bidding against themselves." Under these rules, there is no incentive to bid more or less than the maximum value you are willing to pay.

[Guest]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

How in the world does this make Hendry look stupid? The scouting is relevant either way. Lots of players overseas weigh this decision heavily, as it completely turn their lives upside down.

 

It is a shame the player won't come over viw FA, but I don't see how that's Hendry's fault.

 

I agree though he will still be ripped for it. He'll look a lot stupider if he overpays for someone who fails.

[mg420]

what about Igawa? here are a few youtube links from the cubs.com board. could the cubs have 3 lefties starting in 2007 with hill, lilly & Igawa?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnRDkoDLf60

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hET1d_z3Jr8

[goonys evil twin]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

How in the world does this make Hendry look stupid? The scouting is relevant either way. Lots of players overseas weigh this decision heavily, as it completely turn their lives upside down.

 

It is a shame the player won't come over viw FA, but I don't see how that's Hendry's fault.

 

I agree though he will still be ripped for it. He'll look a lot stupider if he overpays for someone who fails.

 

I don't think this make him look stupid, but I'm not sure that's what wheelimus was saying. He was wondering aloud if this could cause an increase in the bid for the other guy. Investing in Asia and getting nothing out of it would be construed by many a failure, and by the tribsters as a misappropriation of resources. But I'm not sure how much they actually invested over there, and I'm not really sure that Hendry has been touting his overseas scouting.

 

The important thing would be how he handles this setback, if it even is a setback. If he targeted this guy, and now he's unavailable, then he better have had a plan in place to find something else.

[Guest]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

How in the world does this make Hendry look stupid? The scouting is relevant either way. Lots of players overseas weigh this decision heavily, as it completely turn their lives upside down.

 

It is a shame the player won't come over viw FA, but I don't see how that's Hendry's fault.

 

I agree though he will still be ripped for it. He'll look a lot stupider if he overpays for someone who fails.

 

I don't think this make him look stupid, but I'm not sure that's what wheelimus was saying. He was wondering aloud if this could cause an increase in the bid for the other guy. Investing in Asia and getting nothing out of it would be construed by many a failure, and by the tribsters as a misappropriation of resources. But I'm not sure how much they actually invested over there, and I'm not really sure that Hendry has been touting his overseas scouting.

 

The important thing would be how he handles this setback, if it even is a setback. If he targeted this guy, and now he's unavailable, then he better have had a plan in place to find something else.

 

I sure hope management doesn't view asian scouting as a one year deal. if the talent isn't there, the scouting should indicate to not sign the players.

[goonys evil twin]

I sure hope management doesn't view asian scouting as a one year deal. if the talent isn't there, the scouting should indicate to not sign the players.

 

Considering their flavor of the month approach to personel decisions, I'm not so sure this isn't a one year deal. If he indeed pulled back on advanced scouting due to falling out of the race and upped the Asian scouting as a response, this could have been about one or two specific players. They were quick to leave Asia in the past, not sure how they view it longterm now.

[UK1679666180]

Well, crap. Wonder if this ups our bid for Matsuzaka, since Hendry will look a little dumb for touting his overseas scouting if we don't wind up signing any overseas players.

 

What if it also nets an amatuer player from Korea and/or Taiwan?

 

I'd rather see them expand more the amateur levels of scouting in the Pacific Rim than the pro Japanese ones.

[Neuby]

Yet, there is one team that appears ready to go toe-to-toe with the Yankees’ bankroll in the Matsuzaka sweepstakes and it may not be who you would expect it to be. If somebody steals Matsuzaka from the Bronx Bombers it might be -- are you ready for this? -- the Cubs.

 

The Cubs, remember, will be to celebrating the 99th anniversary of their last championship next year.

 

O.K., maybe it won’t be a celebration. No one on the south side of Chicago remembers the last time the Cubs handed out World Series rings. But there are some folks there who seem to think one championship every century is not too many and maybe the Cubs should think about winning again. Some of the people thinking that way work in the Cubs front office and can actually impact the team’s fiscal policies.

 

They’ve already hired veteran Lou Piniella, a man who has never been known for his patience, to manage the club. Piniella has made it clear he expects the front office to do whatever it takes to put a winner on the field.

 

Now.

There is little doubt the Cubs have the recourses to be big players in the free-agent market. Their biggest obstacle is not their bank account -- it’s their past. A player who dreams of performing in the World Series might hesitate before joining an organization that hasn’t been to one since 1945.

 

Matsuzaka wouldn’t have that choice. If the Cubs submit the highest bid, he would have to get used to ivy-covered walls or return to Japan.

 

Should the Cubs be successful at reeling in the big prize, they would probably have a much easier time convincing free agents that, for once, they’re serious about being something other than lovable losers.

 

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South side? :roll:

 

[ZMovieman]

Yet, there is one team that appears ready to go toe-to-toe with the Yankees’ bankroll in the Matsuzaka sweepstakes and it may not be who you would expect it to be. If somebody steals Matsuzaka from the Bronx Bombers it might be -- are you ready for this? -- the Cubs.

 

The Cubs, remember, will be to celebrating the 99th anniversary of their last championship next year.

 

O.K., maybe it won’t be a celebration. No one on the south side of Chicago remembers the last time the Cubs handed out World Series rings. But there are some folks there who seem to think one championship every century is not too many and maybe the Cubs should think about winning again. Some of the people thinking that way work in the Cubs front office and can actually impact the team’s fiscal policies.

 

They’ve already hired veteran Lou Piniella, a man who has never been known for his patience, to manage the club. Piniella has made it clear he expects the front office to do whatever it takes to put a winner on the field.

 

Now.

There is little doubt the Cubs have the recourses to be big players in the free-agent market. Their biggest obstacle is not their bank account -- it’s their past. A player who dreams of performing in the World Series might hesitate before joining an organization that hasn’t been to one since 1945.

 

Matsuzaka wouldn’t have that choice. If the Cubs submit the highest bid, he would have to get used to ivy-covered walls or return to Japan.

 

Should the Cubs be successful at reeling in the big prize, they would probably have a much easier time convincing free agents that, for once, they’re serious about being something other than lovable losers.

 

 

 

 

South side? :roll:

 

 

Where is this from? I see quotes everywhere, but no source. Nevertheless, my delusional self likes the thought.

Edited November 7, 2006 by ZMovieman

[Banedon]

Where is this from? I see quotes everywhere, but no source. Nevertheless, my delusional self likes the thought.

 

Link

 

Gotta love how he thinks the Cubs are on the South Side...

 

O.K., maybe it won’t be a celebration. No one on the south side of Chicago remembers the last time the Cubs handed out World Series rings. But there are some folks there who seem to think one championship every century is not too many and maybe the Cubs should think about winning again. Some of the people thinking that way work in the Cubs front office and can actually impact the team’s fiscal policies.

[JWCUB]

According to MLB Trade Rumors, the buzz around Chicago is the Cubs will post $21 Million. Why would they let that leak out???

[andrew9991]

According to MLB Trade Rumors, the buzz around Chicago is the Cubs will post $21 Million. Why would they let that leak out???

 

Hopefully their leaking 21 million and plan on bidding more. Who knows though, we'll find out soon.

[Wheelimus]

21 might do it. Unless Boras is feeding teams contract parameters, I can't see anyone trusting that they'll be able to overpay on the posting fee and get a deal on the contract itself.