Matsuzaka: Red Sox Win w/ $51.1M Bid

[cjbucks]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

While that's true, it'd be a pretty crappy thing to do to his team (Seibu) by agreeing to go through the posting process, have Seibu plan on having the extra income not only from the posting fee, but also from money saved on his contract only to have him be too greedy to work out a contract. That'd be an awkward year between him and the front office who would end up losing him a year later for absolutely nothing. I'd like to think Dais is a good enough character to not screw the team that's supported him this far for a few extra bucks.

[E.J.]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

 

I think the Seibu Lions would see that as a huge slap in the face. They'd be out millions in the posting fee they would receive, and they would have to pay Matsuzaka's salary for another year. I just don't see a Japanese player disgracing his team like that. I'm sure Boras probably said something like this, but probably just an empty threat IMO.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

 

I think the Seibu Lions would see that as a huge slap in the face. They'd be out millions in the posting fee they would receive, and they would have to pay Matsuzaka's salary for another year. I just don't see a Japanese player disgracing his team like that. I'm sure Boras probably said something like this, but probably just an empty threat IMO.

Wow, that was creepy. We just posted almost exactly the same thing at the same time.

 

Get out of my head!

[E.J.]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

 

I think the Seibu Lions would see that as a huge slap in the face. They'd be out millions in the posting fee they would receive, and they would have to pay Matsuzaka's salary for another year. I just don't see a Japanese player disgracing his team like that. I'm sure Boras probably said something like this, but probably just an empty threat IMO.

Wow, that was creepy. We just posted almost exactly the same thing at the same time.

 

Get out of my head!

 

Haha. Great minds think alike... or something like that. :D

[cjbucks]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

 

I think the Seibu Lions would see that as a huge slap in the face. They'd be out millions in the posting fee they would receive, and they would have to pay Matsuzaka's salary for another year. I just don't see a Japanese player disgracing his team like that. I'm sure Boras probably said something like this, but probably just an empty threat IMO.

 

I didn't think about it from that angle......I would hope you are right. I wouldn't put much past Boras though.

[Garwilly]

Sorry if this has been posted before but I heard the other day that Boras is not uncomfortable letting Matsuzaka pitch 1 more year in Japan, after which he will be a "true" free agent eliminating the posting fee. As the system works this year Boras has only one team to negotiate with and only 30 days to do it. I think he prefers to work with multiple teams to drive up the price.

 

I think the Seibu Lions would see that as a huge slap in the face. They'd be out millions in the posting fee they would receive, and they would have to pay Matsuzaka's salary for another year. I just don't see a Japanese player disgracing his team like that. I'm sure Boras probably said something like this, but probably just an empty threat IMO.

 

I didn't think about it from that angle......I would hope you are right. I wouldn't put much past Boras though.

 

Boras or not, Matsuzaka is the one making the desicions.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

 

Considering Boras is the agent for Daisake and Rodriguez, would this be too far-fetched?

[goonys evil twin]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

 

Considering Boras is the agent for Daisake and Rodriguez, would this be too far-fetched?

 

Assuming that ARod/Boras wants out of NY, but don't want to admit that Alex wants out, and that the Yankees want to get rid of ARod but don't want to make it look like they are giving him away, this could be a believable scenario. The question then becomes what happens with the money in the end. Do the Cubs pay $21m, plus ARod's remaining non-Texas contract? I doubt that. The hangup is that the Cubs actually have to outbid the Yanks.

 

I would think NY would prefer to just win the bid outright, then trade ARod seperately. But this is where the no trade clause kicks in. You would have to assume that ARod specifically wants to go to the Cubs, and that the Yankees are willing to play along only if they end up with Daisuke.

[RyCubsFan]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

 

Considering Boras is the agent for Daisake and Rodriguez, would this be too far-fetched?

 

The Cubs really need pitching, so I hope this isn't the case. 21 mil + Arod's salary is a HUGE number to pay for Arod. That money would be best spent spread around more.

 

Matsuka + Soriano > Arod.

 

Plus, what a cool 1-2 punch: Fear the Zambrano / Matusuaka combo!

[1908]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

I don't think this is possible under posting rules. The winning bidders needs to sign the player. Once the players signed, he can be traded, but that probably needs to wait until after May of the following season to happen, like other free agent signings.

[goonys evil twin]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

I don't think this is possible under posting rules. The winning bidders needs to sign the player. Once the players signed, he can be traded, but that probably needs to wait until after May of the following season to happen, like other free agent signings.

 

But the player isn't a free agent, so why would he have those rights?

[1908]

But the player isn't a free agent, so why would he have those rights?

I think all foreign nationals that haven't played MLB ball signed by MLB teams are treated as free agents. It's never happened before, and this thread is the first place I've ever seen it discussed. But the posting process is an odd wrinkle, so I'm not sure.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

 

Considering Boras is the agent for Daisake and Rodriguez, would this be too far-fetched?

 

The Cubs really need pitching, so I hope this isn't the case. 21 mil + Arod's salary is a HUGE number to pay for Arod. That money would be best spent spread around more.

 

Matsuka + Soriano > Arod.

 

Plus, what a cool 1-2 punch: Fear the Zambrano / Matusuaka combo!

 

That's one way to look at it. But Arod also is a proven commodity while Matsuzaka isn't.

 

I'm sure in a deal like that, there could be other parts moving between the teams with Matsuzka's rights and Arod being the principals.

 

I wouldn't mind having Matsuzaka, that's for certain. I also wouldn't complain if we traded his rights for Arod either.

[USSoccer]

But the player isn't a free agent, so why would he have those rights?

I think all foreign nationals that haven't played MLB ball signed by MLB teams are treated as free agents. It's never happened before, and this thread is the first place I've ever seen it discussed. But the posting process is an odd wrinkle, so I'm not sure.

 

Irabu's situation was different, then?

[Post Count Padder]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

I don't think this is possible under posting rules. The winning bidders needs to sign the player. Once the players signed, he can be traded, but that probably needs to wait until after May of the following season to happen, like other free agent signings.

According to today's USA Today, back in 1997, the Padres reached an agreement with the Chiba Lotte Marines, and then traded the rights to Hideki Irabu to the Yankees.

[1908]

I can still see the Cubs winning the bid and then trading his rights for Arod. In essence, the Cubs would pay the Yankees 21 million for Arod.

I don't think this is possible under posting rules. The winning bidders needs to sign the player. Once the players signed, he can be traded, but that probably needs to wait until after May of the following season to happen, like other free agent signings.

According to today's USA Today, back in 1997, the Padres reached an agreement with the Chiba Lotte Marines, and then traded the rights to Hideki Irabu to the Yankees.

That was before the posting process, and a major contributor to its set-up. I know the commisoner's office got involved in that one. It was a tangled mess of lawyers.

[1908]

But the player isn't a free agent, so why would he have those rights?

I think all foreign nationals that haven't played MLB ball signed by MLB teams are treated as free agents. It's never happened before, and this thread is the first place I've ever seen it discussed. But the posting process is an odd wrinkle, so I'm not sure.

Irabu's situation was different, then?

Yeah, no posting system. The powers that be let Lotte trade with the Padres, but the deal couldn't be finalized because Irabu refushed to play in San Diego.

[UBlink]

Boras or not, Matsuzaka is the one making the desicions.

 

That's correct, and it's Matsuzaka that chose Boras. I think Boras's modus operandi is well known, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he will play hardball in negotiating the contract.

[PrimeTime]

From MLBtraderumors.com

 

The buzz around Chicago today is that the Cubs plan on submitting a bid of $21 million for the rights to negotiate with Daisuke Matsuzaka. If other teams believe this leak to be accurate, it may cause them to up the ante if they have not yet submitted bids.

 

The Yankees, Mets, Rangers, and Red Sox are said to be the other four teams in the game.

 

 

Do you guys think this is enough?? Id go up to 30 million for this guy..Im sure the Yanks and Red Sox are going way higher than 21 Mil

[Mephistopheles]

There's almost no chance that's going to be the winning bid if true.

[C.C.]

Not enough. But you didn't expect the Cubs to outbid everyone did you?

[CoolHandLuke]

Maybe they leaked it intentionally when they actually plan to bid higher so as to try and lower the other teams bids.

[Yeti]

i agree, not enough! anything under $25m wont even sniff the winner

[Pinktermite]

I'm just guessing, but if someone leaks something like this, it's done on purpose...and purposefully BELOW what the bid really is.

 

I'd guess the Cubs will bid way higher than that...way higher. Why bother if you don't intend on capturing the prize?

 

This money doesn't count against the payroll, so where does it come from? Beer money? What?