Maddux and $$$ to the Dodgers for Cesar Izturis

[RynoRules]

Hahaha. Hendry cracks me up. The move was a "head start on what we're planning on doing next year in order to guarantee this happens again."

 

I don't usually do this, but fixed.

[CubColtPacer]

No OBP and no power sounds a lot like Izturis.

 

Yes, but at least Izturis is 25-30 points better OBP, more if he can come back to the form he was in before the injury.

He was still quite bad in his career year. If Hendry is thinking of keeping Izturis, Cedeno, and Neifi around for the middle infield next year, it might be one of the worst middle infields in club history.

 

I would agree with that, but that is only partially due to Izturis. He is easily the best player of the three. There is no way that they should move Cedeno to second though-the holes in his defense will be almost just as bad, and the good parts of his defense will be almost completely wasted. We are going to have to trade him now for something, and pick up a more offensive minded second baseman-if Hendry goes with Cedeno there, that is where I will be really upset.

[cubfan1955]

I hear you and agree. But I don't see what else Mad Dog brings in a deadline trade. You have to give something to get something. 2 months of 4.69 ERA doesn't bring much.

 

If this team is to turn it around, it was never going to be on the back of a miracle Maddux trade.

 

But the Cubs didn't get something, they got less than nothing. They got a terrible baseball player who is also very expensive. That's a bad thing. Not all players are assets. Teams are forced to dump players all the time because they make a lot more than their production should warrent. Izturis is awful. He is exactly the wrong type of player for this team. He doesn't get on base and has no power. This team has about a dozen guys just like that.

 

There's got to be someone out there who will take him.

 

Come on, Hendry's not really going to field a team in '07 that starts Cedeno and Izturis with Neifi backing them up :lol:

 

I don't believe it. Hating Hendry as much as I have grown to-----there are many months ahead of us until next spring. I don't believe this is just it. Can't be.

Trust me, that is it.

 

Cubs ship Maddux to Dodgers for Izturis

 

The Cubs plan to use Izturis at shortstop and move Ronny Cedeno to second.

 

I knew they would do something completely stupid. I wrote about it all morning how they would be better off to keep Maddux than trade him for garbage. They get Neifi without the power at twice the cost. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID...

[Bote McBoteface]

ugh

 

 

like, he's good at defense and stuff. But......... I don't care about that because he's so terrible at offense :(

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

This morning Will Carroll stated they were probably talking about Kemp or Guzman.

 

 

 

uuugghh..I posted this in Tim's thread..I had no idea how appropriate it could have been:

 

8:00 AM Saturday morning

Jim: He dude, Maddux said he would like to play in LA, who do you have availible for a trade?

 

LA GM: Well, Jim, we have a few guys @ LAs Vegas, Joel Guzman or some kid named Kemp. What do you think about one of those guys?

 

Jim: Well, I guess I was thinking of someone, well, abit more talented. What about Cesar Izturis? I like him, he can catch the ball. We'll even pick up a good portion of Maddux's salary...

 

LA GM: (passed out because of sheer surprise. Isnt found until Monday afternoon at 3 pm)

 

Jim: Hello? Hello? shoot..maybe i asked for too much.....

 

LA GM Assistant: hey, dude, you ok???

 

LA GM: (slowly awakes from a 2 day slumber) woa..man..I had the weirdest dream. I had a dream I was talking to Jim Hendry and he wanted to take Izturis off my hands and basically give me Maddux...weird.

 

LA GM Assistant: Had to have been a dream. Jim isnt that stupid. why is your phone off the hook?

 

(LA GM and LA GM Assistantglance at eachother)

 

LAGM: quick, GET JIM ON THE PHONE!!

 

and the deal is made. seriosly, we got hoodwinked.

[RonSanto4HOF]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

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4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

 

Awful lot of finger pointing from someone who is condemning the finger pointers. I have the utmost confidence that there are several "armchair GMs" contributing here and on other reputable sites that would do a better job at identifying the problems with a team and making moves to address those needs.

 

http://www.apostropher.com/blog/img/pot-kettle.jpg

[cheapseats]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

 

Two big problems with your statement:

 

1) So if someone states that Hendry made a terrible trad, that's a personal attack against him? No, it's not. People here don't dislike Hendry because of his body type or his somewhat lacking sense of style. He is disliked because he doesn't get it.

 

2) There are plenty of people who have jobs that they don't deserve or can't do well. The fact that Hendry is a GM doesn't mean he knows how to put a team together better than some of the people who post here. Evidence: many here knew this team would be bad BEFORE the season started, but Hendry was just on TV saying he can't put his finger on what went wrong this year.

[RonSanto4HOF]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

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4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

[cheapseats]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

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4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

[RonSanto4HOF]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

 

Two big problems with your statement:

 

1) So if someone states that Hendry made a terrible trad, that's a personal attack against him? No, it's not. People here don't dislike Hendry because of his body type or his somewhat lacking sense of style. He is disliked because he doesn't get it.

 

2) There are plenty of people who have jobs that they don't deserve or can't do well. The fact that Hendry is a GM doesn't mean he knows how to put a team together better than some of the people who post here. Evidence: many here knew this team would be bad BEFORE the season started, but Hendry was just on TV saying he can't put his finger on what went wrong this year.

 

I mean attacks about his weight and saying he's just eating donuts, Do people actully find that stuff funny? I'm not saying Hendry is doing a good job.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

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4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.[/quote]

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

I didnt say I knew, I said BY MOST ACCOUNTS

 

in any event, the first 3 reasons would have been enough for me to avoid the trade in the first place........

[RonSanto4HOF]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

edit:

 

4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

edit:

 

4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

 

counterpoints:

 

2) we could have had $9 mil, and Hendry is ultimately paying $4 mil more then he needed to (see Ronny Cedeno)

3) I would love to see Hendry upgrade the OF significantly enough to make up for Cedeno and Izturis, I just have no idea how unless he fleeces Florida for Cabrera........

[USSoccer]

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

 

First off, We ate the remaining $2m on Maddux's 2006 contract, AND assumed all of Izturis' contract, meaning we lost a signifigant amount of money for 2006 thru 2008. We didn't save anything, we don't have more money to spend, we have less. We have about $1m less for the rest of this season, $4.5 less next season, and $5m less in 2007, and for that $10m in salary we're getting a player who has a degenerative arthritic condition and who can't crack a .300 OBP.

 

Secondly, Hendry overvalues speed and defense. He probably thought that getting a ML player who's won a "Gold Glove" would play better than trading Maddux for a ouple of prospects that the average fan wouldn't know.

 

Finally, having 2 sub .300 OBP guys in an NL lineup will ALWAYS hurt you. ALWAYS.

Edited August 1, 2006 by USSoccer

[sethuel1]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

edit:

 

4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

 

1. x

2. they paid the Dodgers $2 million, and they're taking on Izturis' contract, which is for about $1.5 million more this year, so their $4.5 million in savings is about $1 million after all that. Also, they're not going to apply that $1 million to next year anyway I'm sure, because they're the Trib.

3. Yes.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

edit:

 

4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

 

1. x

2. they paid the Dodgers $2 million, and they're taking on Izturis' contract, which is for about $1.5 million more this year, so their $4.5 million in savings is about $1 million after all that. Also, they're not going to apply that $1 million to next year anyway I'm sure, because they're the Trib.

3. Yes.

 

They had to pay cash considerations in the Walker trade so they probably just attribute the money there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

edit:

 

4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Will Carroll is very reliable. But even if you don't want to believe we could have had Kemp or Guzman, please address the other 3 points.

 

 

So if they are such great prospects and be can't misses, then do you really think Hendry would pass them up?

 

I agree with point 1.

Point 2. What was Maddux making this year, 9 million? So now there is 4.5 more to spend.

Point 3. If we upgrade the outfield are Izturis and Cedeno going to hurt us offesively?

 

I don't see much hope for upgrading the OF. Jones will still be here. There's not enough chance to upgrade to make up for the atrocious offense Cedeno and Izturis will provide.

[RammyFanny]

Explain why keeping Maddux was better than trading him for Izturis? I really wish one of the many armchair GMs that are all over this site were GM istead of Hendry. I mean it must make a person more qualified to just read stats and post on a message board all day than to actually talk to other GMs and team officials. I'm sure Hendry's phone has been ringing non-stop the last week with GM proposing deals. And i'm also sick of people bashing Hendry no matter what he does. And to make fun of him by talking about him eating donuts, what are you people 5 years old. I can't believe how childish some people are on here. This is a good site and there are good conversations and arguments here, but way too many personal attacks on people.

Its easy.

 

1) Defense is not our problem.

2) Maddux's contract was up after this year, so his millions come off the book, we could spend it somewhere else.

3) Izturis's contract is in the range of $4-5.5 million for the next two years for production (both defense and offense) that is the same as Cedeno's who would do it at a fraction the cost.

 

 

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4) we could have had one of Los Angeles's better prospects (who were cheap and have a WHOLE LOT more upside then Izturis) insted by most accounts.

 

 

How the hell do we know that we could have had one of LAs better prospects? Just because somethings been reported doesen't make it the truth.

 

Hednry's said twice already that the package they were leaning toward taking was for "top notch" prospects (plural), and then he said once Izturis was made available he jumped on the opportunity to land a two-time gold glove winner. Said it twice, in the press conference and with Len and Bob. We don't know for sure who the prospects were, but if they were "top notch", I would have guessed one of them would have been someone we've discussed before (or Will Carrol).

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

In regards to JH claiming 2 "top notch" prospects... please keep in mind he believes Izturis is arguably the NL's best SS.

 

In other words, the "top notch" prospects could have been 2 A-Ball pitchers with 5.66 ERA's. :roll:

[abuck1220]

In regards to JH claiming 2 "top notch" prospects... please keep in mind he believes Izturis is arguably the NL's best SS.

 

In other words, the "top notch" prospects could have been 2 A-Ball pitchers with 5.66 ERA's. :roll:

 

that's true, but i'd rather have two A ball prospects with 56.66 era's than have izturis' awful contract around the cubs' neck for 2007. and hendry's already pumped about having him around in '08.

[abuck1220]

don't worry everybody, plesac used the word "proven" 43 times in describing izturis. i don't know if that's "proven" as in "juan pierre's a proven leadoff hitter," but let's cross our fingers that it is.

[Sosa21MVP]

It is blatantly obvious the majority of folks here hate this trade. All I ask is let's not focus the venom on Izturis himself. Give 'em a fair chance to see what he can do in Cubbie Blue.

 

For the record, I don't much care for the trade either but I'll support Izturis 100% in the meantime.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

It is blatantly obvious the majority of folks here hate this trade. All I ask is let's not focus the venom on Izturis himself. Give 'em a fair chance to see what he can do in Cubbie Blue.

 

For the record, I don't much care for the trade either but I'll support Izturis 100% in the meantime.

 

I believe that if he doesn't play well immediately, he will hear the crowd booing. Sort of like Jacque. Jacque was able to turn it around in May and curtail most of the booing, but Izturis isn't all of a sudden going to become a good hitter. IMO, I think he is doomed.