Reds (Lodolo) vs Cubs (Soroka): 8/4/25, 7:05pm

[abuck1220]

37 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

Losing the division by a game or two because PCA thought there were 3 outs after a catch a month ago and Dansby missed 1st base tonight would bring a new low point for this franchise. 

if it makes you feel any better, this is certainly not trending toward the cubs losing the division by one game 

[Gjfificifjdej]

Theres no way literally anybody in Iowa could do worse than Suzuki has in the last month, just give it a shot, I hate watching him attempt to play baseball. And Dansby with two all time horrifyingly awful plays tonight. 

[Irrelevant Dude]

3 minutes ago, Cubs420psd said:

Remember when people thought he was the reason the Brewers were really good?

That was as good an assumption as any.  Because I still can't tell you why they are good.

[Randall Simon]

3 minutes ago, Cubs420psd said:

Remember when people thought he was the reason the Brewers were really good?

 

Lol 

Exactly! Can we find out who's actually behind their success and pay them top dollar to leave? 

[chibears55]

6 minutes ago, Cubbies1996 said:

Maybe change up the lineup Counsell? Try something to spark it. Been dogsh*t for over a month now. But I’m sure he’ll just keep trotting the same lineup out there like everything’s fine. 

Im waiting for whomever supposed to be the leaders of this team to go off in the clubhouse, maybe im wrong but it feels like these guys just accept these losses and nobody speaking up in the clubhouse or am I just too old school and that stuff dont happen anymore.

I even remember when managers would go out and argue with umps and get tossed to try and get a spark from the players.

Now it like everyone just keeps their head down and moves on to the next game 🤷‍♂️

Just frustrating seeing this kind of baseball after looking so good the first couple months, now it like theyre just happy to be hanging on.

[Cubs420psd]

10 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That was as good an assumption as any.  Because I still can't tell you why they are good.

Elite scouting and development (especially on the pitching side)

 

 

Edited August 5, 2025 by Cubs420psd

[Caesar]

I told you to watch out for Reds At 3rd wildcard,

[Caesar]

Mark my words the Cubs will be fighting for the 3rd wildcard with Reds

[Randall Simon]

3 minutes ago, abuck1220 said:

if it makes you feel any better, this is certainly not trending toward the cubs losing the division by one game 

There's no guarantee this team makes the playoffs at all. 

Another week of this and we'll be 7 games out of first, fighting for a WC slot. 

[Randall Simon]

2 minutes ago, Cubs420psd said:

Elite scouting and development.

Offer their Scouting director a promotion and hefty raise! 

[Wilson A2000]

1 minute ago, chibears55 said:

Im waiting for whomever supposed to be the leaders of this team to go off in the clubhouse, maybe im wrong but it feels like these guys just accept these losses and nobody speaking up in the clubhouse or am I just too old school and that stuff dont happen anymore.

I even remember when managers would go out and argue with umps and get tossed to try and get a spark from the players.

Now it like everyone just keeps their head down and moves on to the next game 🤷‍♂️

Just frustrating seeing this kind of baseball after looking so good the first couple months, now it like theyre just happy to be hanging on.

That stuff just doesn’t happen much anymore and it’s not Counsell’s MO. 
 

The Cubs were playing a lot better than their talent for a long time. They just weren’t that good. 
 

Counsell already saying Soroka to the IL. Wow, Jed looks really bad.

[JBears79]

7 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That was as good an assumption as any.  Because I still can't tell you why they are good.

They are a superior organization top to bottom and have been for a long time. We're stuck with Jed Hoyer and TR.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Jed trades for a guy with a steep velo drop and he immediatley lands on the IL. Surprised Pikachu.

[Soul]

I feel like post AS deadness is a thing with this franchise.  I agree on Counsell.  Isn’t he the guy with the MKE special brat sauce or something?  Not seeing it right now.  He looks like the guy who shot his last arrow and wants to hide in the shadows hoping nobody notices his quiver’s empty.

[chibears55]

3 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

That stuff just doesn’t happen much anymore and it’s not Counsell’s MO. 
 

The Cubs were playing a lot better than their talent for a long time. They just weren’t that good. 
 

Counsell already saying Soroka to the IL. Wow, Jed looks really bad.

Yea I didn't think so...

He on IL and he even said they knew velocity was going down and something was off, thought they could help fix him.

I'm telling you, he was probably the cheapest SP they could add as far as prospects given up and that what Hoyer went after.

[Wilson A2000]

Just now, Tangled Up in Plaid said:

Jed trades for a guy with a steep velo drop and he immediatley lands on the IL. Surprised Pikachu.

Who has a very long and distinguished injury history. But it was a value trade or something. 

[Cubs420psd]

5 minutes ago, JBears79 said:

They are a superior organization top to bottom and have been for a long time. We're stuck with Jed Hoyer and TR.

Yep

Sad but true, just a better org.

 

Better results with much less resources, it's sickening.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, Jason Ross said:

The Cubs and the Marlins both didn't like the medicals on the Miami trade, so the Cubs do look at these things. Matt Trueblood wrote an article explaining how the velocity drop had a mechanical and a pitch shape change to go with it as well as using the fastball differently. That suggests intention. One thing I mentioned a few times; he raised his arm slot and raising an arm slot brings more load into the shoulder area. Mike Soroka has shoulder discomfort.

We can believe a few things here. It's possible that the Cubs, the day before the trade deadline, basically ignored all of the velocity drop, didn't perform a decent physical and bought a pitcher who was clearly hurt. I'll be honest with you and say that I don't buy that. He may have gambled a little on the medicals, but I think with as much time as he had left on Thursday, feel like he probably felt good enough with everything.

I know that the velo drop seems like it has to be tied to this, but I'm not as sure as others. Jed didn't just ignore it. I think it's very, very, very likely that if you and I can pull this up on a Savant page, Jed probably can too. 

We'll see what comes of this. We may never know exactly what happened and when. But Hoyer isn't so incompetent to have entirely ignored this.

No Jed and the FO typically aren't this kind of incompetent i agree.  Someone in the media still needs to ask Jed about the velo drop so we can confirm an explanation and know what's going on.  

I can see going from 94-95 to 91-93 intentionally but him dropping to 89 mph seems like something else going on and the injury points to that even more.

Edited August 5, 2025 by Stratos

[UMFan83]

14 minutes ago, Caesar said:

I told you to watch out for Reds At 3rd wildcard,

They might crawl back but its kind of weird to say "I told you so" about a team thats currently 6.5 games behind the Cubs.

[UMFan83]

8 minutes ago, JBears79 said:

They are a superior organization top to bottom and have been for a long time. We're stuck with Jed Hoyer and TR.

The worst thing is we know a ton of posters at Brewerfanatic read this forum since Brock owns them both and they have to be reading these threads nightly and enjoying the hell out of it.

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

The worst thing is we know a ton of posters at Brewerfanatic read this forum since Brock owns them both and they have to be reading these threads nightly and enjoying the hell out of it.

They should be.  Their team is, rather inexplicably, playing incredible baseball with no sign of letting up.

[Wilson A2000]

2 minutes ago, Stratos said:

No Jed and the FO typically aren't this kind of incompetent i agree.  Someone in the media still needs to ask Jed about the velo drop so we can confirm an explanation and know what's going on.

Carter Hawkins will thoroughly justify the drop in velocity as others in this thread have, but don’t be surprised when a guy who is hurt a lot is hurt again

[cl smooth]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

The worst thing is we know a ton of posters at Brewerfanatic read this forum since Brock owns them both and they have to be reading these threads nightly and enjoying the hell out of it.

i can't imagine giving a horsefeathers about how any of those people feel.  

[BigSlick]

8 minutes ago, Cubs420psd said:

Yep

Sad but true, just a better org.

 

Better results with much less resources, it's sickening.

The worst part about it is that we’re absolutely the “bad guys” here, objectively. The Brewers are the scrappy underdog against the big pocketed big kid on the block, and we’re helpless to defeat them.

 

[s2obed]

Dumbass Jed. Shoulda gotten another SP, lol.