Bears Week 17, TNF vs Seahawks, 7:15 pm

[Wilson A2000]

Sounds familiar
 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Wilson A2000

[BigbadB]

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. TV is also comedy. Maybe the Bears are trying to be the funniest comedy. Every week is a plot where they find the strangest ways to lose games. They've kind of run out of ideas, but heck, let's end up stopping Caleb's INT streak by letting the defense rush 10 guys all at once, saving the only other guy to catch the game ender. 

Horrible play calling. Horrible time management. Horrible line play. More pre-snap penalties. WR's not catching passes that are EASY to catch. Is Eberflus still running this team by phone? Nothing has improved since he got canned. Might even be worse. 

Now I'm scared someone on the Packers is going to George Martin our dear Caleb in the final game of the season, and we will then have nothing to ever look forward to ever again. 

 

[CubinNY]

The Bears look awful, but they likely look worse than the talent on the team due to coaching. Late in games, they appear to have no sense of urgency or at least don't have a system to get Williams a play quickly, get lined up, and go. You can see Williams is frustrated as I'm sure there are many guys. 

They are certainly an embarrassment to the fans and the city. One more game against the Packers (lol), and it will all be over. 

I don't think they can let Poles pick the coach, but you never know. 

[gflore34]

3 hours ago, BigbadB said:

Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. TV is also comedy. Maybe the Bears are trying to be the funniest comedy. Every week is a plot where they find the strangest ways to lose games. They've kind of run out of ideas, but heck, let's end up stopping Caleb's INT streak by letting the defense rush 10 guys all at once, saving the only other guy to catch the game ender. 

Horrible play calling. Horrible time management. Horrible line play. More pre-snap penalties. WR's not catching passes that are EASY to catch. Is Eberflus still running this team by phone? Nothing has improved since he got canned. Might even be worse. 

Now I'm scared someone on the Packers is going to George Martin our dear Caleb in the final game of the season, and we will then have nothing to ever look forward to ever again. 

 

That's my only concern, all the other hand wringing about play calling, clock management, etc. is pointless,  beyond Caleb there's nothing to take away from this season.

[gflore34]

9 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Sounds familiar
 

No excuses for the Bears but, the fact they've a noodle legged kicker has to play into this miss.  For a reasonable chance at a FG they're looking at the 35 yard line and in, it's a big handicap.

[Soul]

2 hours ago, CubinNY said:

The Bears look awful, but they likely look worse than the talent on the team due to coaching. Late in games, they appear to have no sense of urgency or at least don't have a system to get Williams a play quickly, get lined up, and go. You can see Williams is frustrated as I'm sure there are many guys. 

They are certainly an embarrassment to the fans and the city. One more game against the Packers (lol), and it will all be over. 

I don't think they can let Poles pick the coach, but you never know. 

Yeah he owns the two longest losing streaks in team history.  That’s impressive.  He’s like a wounded animal.  Time to put him out of his misery.  If they don’t it might be best to bail and give up on pro football.

[Soul]

7 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

No excuses for the Bears but, the fact they've a noodle legged kicker has to play into this miss.  For a reasonable chance at a FG they're looking at the 35 yard line and in, it's a big handicap.

Yes, although no more or less than the plethora of other bush league components of the Bears’ O

[raw]

9 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I honestly don't even know where to begin parsing through who to blame for that offensive performance.

The play design and playcalling was poop from a butt.

The offensive line was exactly what you'd expect from the guys they are sending out there 

The receivers had some ugly drops 

And Williams just cannot accept that the solution to all this isn't him running around for 8 seconds 

 

Sounds like you parsed through this pretty perfectly.

[raw]

10 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

That does not mean a damn thing if the organization as a whole is broken.

I still think he takes the Bears job, if he wants the job.

The Bears organization is broken. But so is the Jags org. So are the Saints. If the Giants and Raiders jobs open up, they are broken too. The Lions were pretty broken too before Johnson got there. Hell, they were pretty broken for his first 3 years there before he became the OC.

[gflore34]

17 minutes ago, raw said:

The Bears organization is broken. But so is the Jags org. So are the Saints. If the Giants and Raiders jobs open up, they are broken too. The Lions were pretty broken too before Johnson got there. Hell, they were pretty broken for his first 3 years there before he became the OC.

All this BS about the Bears are broken is tiresome sure, they're broken right now.  It doesn't mean they can't be fixed, it doesn't mean a new GM won't be able to come in hire a good HC and address the roster issues.  For the new GM it's going to be a hell of a lot easier with the QB in place.  And the Caleb not being the next GM' QB is not going to play either, that's only a "concern" when the inherited QB sucks like Trubisky and Fields.

[raw]

7 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

All this BS about the Bears are broken is tiresome sure, they're broken right now.  It doesn't mean they can't be fixed, it doesn't mean a new GM won't be able to come in hire a good HC and address the roster issues.  For the new GM it's going to be a hell of a lot easier with the QB in place.  And the Caleb not being the next GM' QB is not going to play either, that's only a "concern" when the inherited QB sucks like Trubisky and Fields.

So, a couple things with this. 

First, it's not just QBs who "suck". It happens all the time with QBs who aren't taking the next step from mediocre to good. We've seen it happen to guys like Mayfield and Darnold, who did suck, but moved on to become good QBs in better organizations. We've seen it happen to Cutler in 2 different organizations, including ours. He certainly didn't "suck". All it takes is another up and down season, because he's learning a new offense for the 3rd straight year, the GM is trying to put his stamp on the team and there's a lot of moving parts that keep him from progressing fast enough for the new GM's liking (because we know he'll never blame himself for the QB's failure).

Secondly, the whole "new GM hire good HC" thing is actually WAY easier said than done. Somebody has to hire the GM. I'm sure Kevin Warren will take charge of that search, but he has literally never hired a GM before. Despite being an NFL executive for years, he's never been involved in decisions on the field side of things. So now you have inexperience hiring someone likely inexperienced. Or maybe there's another committee they hire led by Jim Irsay's 90 year old ass.....because that's worked out so well every other time. 

The only way this really works is that you HAVE to have the head coach hire the GM. And the only way that makes sense is you have to hire a HC worthy of picking his own GM. The only guys that have enough of a resume to even be able to get that type of power are guys with successful HC experience (Vrabel, Carroll) or a guy who is the hottest HC candidate on the market ala Kyle Shanahan years ago, Ben Johnson. And you trust this front office with a HC hire over a GM candidate, because the HC hire is a lot easier to align with your vision for what to do with Caleb, your most important asset.

 

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, raw said:

So, a couple things with this. 

First, it's not just QBs who "suck". It happens all the time with QBs who aren't taking the next step from mediocre to good. We've seen it happen to guys like Mayfield and Darnold, who did suck, but moved on to become good QBs in better organizations. We've seen it happen to Cutler in 2 different organizations, including ours. He certainly didn't "suck". All it takes is another up and down season, because he's learning a new offense for the 3rd straight year, the GM is trying to put his stamp on the team and there's a lot of moving parts that keep him from progressing fast enough for the new GM's liking (because we know he'll never blame himself for the QB's failure).

Secondly, the whole "new GM hire good HC" thing is actually WAY easier said than done. Somebody has to hire the GM. I'm sure Kevin Warren will take charge of that search, but he has literally never hired a GM before. Despite being an NFL executive for years, he's never been involved in decisions on the field side of things. So now you have inexperience hiring someone likely inexperienced. Or maybe there's another committee they hire led by Jim Irsay's 90 year old ass.....because that's worked out so well every other time. 

The only way this really works is that you HAVE to have the head coach hire the GM. And the only way that makes sense is you have to hire a HC worthy of picking his own GM. The only guys that have enough of a resume to even be able to get that type of power are guys with successful HC experience (Vrabel, Carroll) or a guy who is the hottest HC candidate on the market ala Kyle Shanahan years ago, Ben Johnson. And you trust this front office with a HC hire over a GM candidate, because the HC hire is a lot easier to align with your vision for what to do with Caleb, your most important asset.

 

Good points, never said it was easy, just to keep beating the Bears are broken into ground and because they're broken this and that isn't possible is foolish.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

22 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

He said he’s looking forward to vacation time. He’s been checked out for some time. 

Well, I wanted more, but in a 6 to 3 game outscoring the rest of the WRs on the field will have to do. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, I'm ... I dunno if I wanna describe it is not optimistic.

This can be fixed in one off-season and we can be a credible football team again.

But the path to that happening involves a lot of things happening that could all be failure points.

They need to realize this isn't salvageable, fire the gm, leave zero legacy coaches for the next guy, get the hires right, gut the locker room and have a killer FA and draft.

 

[raw]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yeah, I'm ... I dunno if I wanna describe it is not optimistic.

This can be fixed in one off-season and we can be a credible football team again.

But the path to that happening involves a lot of things happening that could all be failure points.

They need to realize this isn't salvageable, fire the gm, leave zero legacy coaches for the next guy, get the hires right, gut the locker room and have a killer FA and draft.

 

Yeah it's tough. I'd expect Poles to have the desperation to get things right fast. But I don't trust him to be able to get things right, and desperate GMs usually make short-sighted moves that hurt the franchise in the long-term. 

[Derwood]

Bears inventing so many new and embarrassing ways to lose that I think Ryan Poles has a humiliation fetish. 

[gflore34]

6 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yeah, I'm ... I dunno if I wanna describe it is not optimistic.

This can be fixed in one off-season and we can be a credible football team again.

But the path to that happening involves a lot of things happening that could all be failure points.

They need to realize this isn't salvageable, fire the gm, leave zero legacy coaches for the next guy, get the hires right, gut the locker room and have a killer FA and draft.

 

I believe Warren knows this part, McCaskey with his wanting to promote stability or, whatever the horsefeathers it is, may not.  Warren did get him to fire Eberflus so there's hope.

[gflore34]

5 minutes ago, raw said:

Yeah it's tough. I'd expect Poles to have the desperation to get things right fast. But I don't trust him to be able to get things right, and desperate GMs usually make short-sighted moves that hurt the franchise in the long-term. 

He won't, he'll keep finding more Nate Davises to sign and Chase Claypools to trade for.

Edited December 27, 2024 by gflore34

[jersey cubs fan]

1 hour ago, gflore34 said:

All this BS about the Bears are broken is tiresome sure, they're broken right now.  It doesn't mean they can't be fixed, it doesn't mean a new GM won't be able to come in hire a good HC and address the roster issues.  For the new GM it's going to be a hell of a lot easier with the QB in place.  And the Caleb not being the next GM' QB is not going to play either, that's only a "concern" when the inherited QB sucks like Trubisky and Fields.

It’s not just that they are broken right now. They’ve been broken for a long time. The brief era of respectability when Lovie was here has been surrounded by ineptitude. There’s nobody in this organization who has succeeded at the NFL. The giants are a mess but they managed to be respectable and win titles recently. You can look back and see eras where a lot of these bad teams were very good, winning titles and/or putting up points. The bears don’t just have a bad reputation from disgruntled fans. They are a broken franchise that has been broken for way too long. 

[raw]

19 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

It’s not just that they are broken right now. They’ve been broken for a long time. The brief era of respectability when Lovie was here has been surrounded by ineptitude. There’s nobody in this organization who has succeeded at the NFL. The giants are a mess but they managed to be respectable and win titles recently. You can look back and see eras where a lot of these bad teams were very good, winning titles and/or putting up points. The bears don’t just have a bad reputation from disgruntled fans. They are a broken franchise that has been broken for way too long. 

Broken franchises have been fixed before. 49ers had 8 straight non-winning seasons before Harbaugh, and 4 more after and before Shanahan. The Lions were broken for years. This is fixable. It is fixable fast. 

[Old Style]

2 hours ago, gflore34 said:

No excuses for the Bears but, the fact they've a noodle legged kicker has to play into this miss.  For a reasonable chance at a FG they're looking at the 35 yard line and in, it's a big handicap.

Whose fault is that?

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, Old Style said:

Whose fault is that?

Poles, which I don't get, he drafts a punter with, for a punter, a high pick and doesn't address his noodle legged place kicker.

[jersey cubs fan]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

Broken franchises have been fixed before. 49ers had 8 straight non-winning seasons before Harbaugh, and 4 more after and before Shanahan. The Lions were broken for years. This is fixable. It is fixable fast. 

Sure it’s fixable. But Poles isn’t the guy, Warren provides little reason for hope and nobody else knows what’s going on. There are very good reasons for a HC candidate to not choose the bears as their first job. Careers die in Chicago. Nagy got his old job back from the guy that actually runs his offense, but everyone else has faded away. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

3 hours ago, raw said:

The Bears organization is broken. But so is the Jags org. So are the Saints. If the Giants and Raiders jobs open up, they are broken too. The Lions were pretty broken too before Johnson got there. Hell, they were pretty broken for his first 3 years there before he became the OC.

What Jersey said later on this page is my exact thoughts. The Bears are fixable, I just don't trust the folks that are expected to try and fix the problems. 

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[CubinNY]

I remember a few years ago when Lions fans were begging the Ford family to sell the team. All it takes is the right people in place. But as many others have mentioned, how will they get the right people to get the right people because the people they have now are not right.