Bears Week 17, TNF vs Seahawks, 7:15 pm

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Just two more games and we can all move on, as the players clearly did several months ago.

The Seahawks defense is about average and not entirely on the IR like Detroit's was, so I'm not optimistic for the offense with Braxton Jones hurt yet again.

Seahawks -3.5 feels like free money to me, if you're the gambling type 

If the defense can get scored on fast enough and we can get some garbage time going, here are the Caleb Williams stats to keep an eye on:

He needs 584 passing yards in the final two games to break Erik Kramer's franchise record of 3838.

He needs 79 attempts to break Aaron Rodgers' NFL record for interception-less streak 

.He needs 291 combined passing and rushing yards to break Jay Cutler's franchise record of 4003

He needs to avoid 16 sacks in the final two games to not break Carr's NFL record 

His current sack rate is 10.62%, which is exactly .01 lower than Fields' best season as a Bear, and it would be funny to keep it there or lower

He is 15 passing yards behind Jayden Daniels for the rookie lead, although I wouldn't mention this outside of Bears fans circles or you will see skulls coughed up in rage and context.

[UMFan83]

Can someone explain why “all Caleb does is get garbage time stats” is now the main talking point around him?  Heck I might have even pushed that theory at one point but if you look at the Bears schedule, only 5 losses were blowouts (Arizona, NE, SF, Min, Det) and Caleb only really played particularly well in the Detroit game. Sure there were games where the Bears were down big and ended up close because Caleb put up big numbers but they weren’t like Indiana putting up 2 TDs against ND in the last few mins. Maybe the Colts game was but the Washington game literally gave them the lead, GB game he literally led them to a game winning FG attempt, Minnesota game he led them to OT, at Detroit he got them into FG range at the end down 3. Those were big time moments. 

I think the narrative is more like Caleb has needed time, in some cases significant time, to get going in games but once he gets in a rhythm he plays better. And the Bears are usually losing those games because he is so off to start games. I like to figure out why he starts so slow but that’s not exactly garbage time play. 

Edited December 24, 2024 by UMFan83

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's simple: neurotypicals work backwards from the result they want, filling in the reasoning later.

"Caleb Williams has garbage time stats" doesn't mean that is literally true. It means they don't like caleb Williams and therefore must say things to discredit him.

[gflore34]

37 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's simple: neurotypicals work backwards from the result they want, filling in the reasoning later.

"Caleb Williams has garbage time stats" doesn't mean that is literally true. It means they don't like caleb Williams and therefore must say things to discredit him.

Very true, you don't hear this regarding Nix or Daniels, you don't hear Aikman saying Nix is broken.  I'm sorry Troy but, Bo Nix will never be as good as Caleb, never.  It's just the continuance of the overt negativity with the Bears, won't stop until they start winning.

Edited December 24, 2024 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, UMFan83 said:

Can someone explain why “all Caleb does is get garbage time stats” is now the main talking point around him?  Heck I might have even pushed that theory at one point but if you look at the Bears schedule, only 5 losses were blowouts (Arizona, NE, SF, Min, Det) and Caleb only really played particularly well in the Detroit game. Sure there were games where the Bears were down big and ended up close because Caleb put up big numbers but they weren’t like Indiana putting up 2 TDs against ND in the last few mins. Maybe the Colts game was but the Washington game literally gave them the lead, GB game he literally led them to a game winning FG attempt, Minnesota game he led them to OT, at Detroit he got them into FG range at the end down 3. Those were big time moments. 

I think the narrative is more like Caleb has needed time, in some cases significant time, to get going in games but once he gets in a rhythm he plays better. And the Bears are usually losing those games because he is so off to start games. I like to figure out why he starts so slow but that’s not exactly garbage time play. 

Teams get up on the Bears early on in games and that leads to this "garbage time" stuff. I do think that until Caleb starts putting up numbers in the first half like he has been later in the game, its always going to be a quesion of is it the game plan, the offense in general, or Caleb himself. All three are fixable, with Caleb being a rookie and likely to improve.

That, and the Bears QB will always be suspect to the general public, until they clearly arent.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

14 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's simple: neurotypicals work backwards from the result they want, filling in the reasoning later.

"Caleb Williams has garbage time stats" doesn't mean that is literally true. It means they don't like caleb Williams and therefore must say things to discredit him.

You are the one that has been begging for garbage time stats for 8 weeks 

[BigbadB]

15 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's simple: neurotypicals work backwards from the result they want, filling in the reasoning later.

"Caleb Williams has garbage time stats" doesn't mean that is literally true. It means they don't like caleb Williams and therefore must say things to discredit him.

Part of it is also a misunderstanding of what garbage time is, or they are defining what is actually happening incorrectly. While a lot of the Bears games have been close, there is rarely a time where they are leading and punching the ball up the gut to run time off the clock. Instead, they are attempting to get back in the game, so a lot of passing is happening that might not otherwise be.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears 30

Seachickens 17

 

 

[Wilson A2000]

I don’t want Pete, but it’s a good sign that multiple well-known coaching candidates are interested in the Bears job
 

Edited December 25, 2024 by Wilson A2000

[Hairyducked Idiot]

7 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

You are the one that has been begging for garbage time stats for 8 weeks 

Yes? There's no contradiction there.

I want garbage time stats.  He has not gotten a particularly large amount of them.  Those are perfectly congruent statements.

[gflore34]

50 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I don’t want Pete, but it’s a good sign that multiple well-known coaching candidates are interested in the Bears job
 

Neither do I, no Vrabel either, I do agree its a good sign. 

I believe one of Ben Johnson, Joe Brady or Kliff Kingsbury will be the Bears HC and Caleb will thrive under any of them.

Edited December 25, 2024 by gflore34

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I assume vrabel is going to the Patriots 

[Wilson A2000]

Still holding out hope that Shanahan or Stefanski gets let go, but I can’t imagine a candidate out there better than Ben Johnson besides those two. I just don’t have any hope in the Bears to get the obvious right candidate. George or Warren or Poles will probably want a leader of men instead of getting the clear choice football coach and we’ll be right back in the same spot in 3 years. In 2013 they passed on coach-of-the-year Bruce Arians for Trestman and last year they didn’t even interview Harbaugh. 

[jersey cubs fan]

55 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Yes? There's no contradiction there.

I want garbage time stats.  He has not gotten a particularly large amount of them.  Those are perfectly congruent statements.

Only bad brained buffoons don’t see the contradiction of constantly harping about garbage time stats then complaining about garbage time discourse 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

8 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Only bad brained buffoons don’t see the contradiction of constantly harping about garbage time stats then complaining about garbage time discourse 

See, I get this now.

It doesn't matter that I'm objectively correct and proved it.

It *feels* like there's a contradiction there, and feelings matter more than facts.

Weird way to go through life but most of you seem happy so good luck with it 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Me: I don't want the bears to draft defense in the first round

Bears: *draft defense*

Someone on the internet: "wow the bears drafted offense in the first round"

Me: no they didn't 

Jersey: a-ha! Super weird of you to say you wanted them to draft offense then complain when people say they drafted offense, just because it didn't happen...

[Rex Buckingham]

Kyle is clearly right here. 

 

He has said he wants Caleb to pile up yards in garbage time. 

The media is acting like all Caleb's yards have come in garbage time, because the Bears are constantly behind. But Kyle correctly asserts that many of those have not been in garbage time. 

[BigSlick]

I actually wouldn’t hate Pete Carroll. Unlike Belichick, I don’t think he’s totally washed and checked out. But overall I really do desperately want an offensive coach, and I would prefer a younger guy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I would hate Pete Carroll less than all the other old guy names being floated, I guess, but I would still hate it 

[Tryptamine]

Just take the obvious choice and give Ben Johnson his money and see if Johnson is on board with bringing in Saleh as your DC. Boom done, HR coaching staff.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, Tryptamine said:

Just take the obvious choice and give Ben Johnson his money and see if Johnson is on board with bringing in Saleh as your DC. Boom done, HR coaching staff.

I think the issue isn't do we want Ben Johnson, the issue is does ben Johnson want us.

[gflore34]

2 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Still holding out hope that Shanahan or Stefanski gets let go, but I can’t imagine a candidate out there better than Ben Johnson besides those two. I just don’t have any hope in the Bears to get the obvious right candidate. George or Warren or Poles will probably want a leader of men instead of getting the clear choice football coach and we’ll be right back in the same spot in 3 years. In 2013 they passed on coach-of-the-year Bruce Arians for Trestman and last year they didn’t even interview Harbaugh. 

That's the concern, maybe, just maybe, with a potential franchise QB in hand, they'll go against their nature and go with clear choice football coach.  They really can't afford to horsefeathers up, this time they have someone who can lead them out of desert, they've got to make the right choice.

[BigSlick]

It’s pretty wild that CJ Stroud’s current season is comparable, if not worse, than Caleb Williams rookie season. Good evidence of Kyle’s consistent point to give QBs two full years to really evaluate them.

not that I think Stroud is bad or anything, but that he came down to earth slightly from last year. Still a good effective QB, but his development is not just up up and away without any bumps in the road 

Edited December 25, 2024 by BigSlick

[Wilson A2000]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I think the issue isn't do we want Ben Johnson, the issue is does ben Johnson want us.

If the reports are correct, at the very least he wants to interview here. Let's hope the Bears don't turn him off by making him give a fake press conference as part of the interview. 

[WrigleyField 22]

3 hours ago, Wilson A2000 said:

Still holding out hope that Shanahan or Stefanski gets let go, but I can’t imagine a candidate out there better than Ben Johnson besides those two. I just don’t have any hope in the Bears to get the obvious right candidate. George or Warren or Poles will probably want a leader of men instead of getting the clear choice football coach and we’ll be right back in the same spot in 3 years. In 2013 they passed on coach-of-the-year Bruce Arians for Trestman and last year they didn’t even interview Harbaugh. 

I'm gonna be blindly optimistic that Warren is leading the process and just wants to go with the obvious choice. He's a lot of things, but I'm not sure he's out to prove he's a brilliant football mind who can find the under-the-radar football genius.  He'd love the praise that comes with getting a big name in Chicago.