Bears Week 17, TNF vs Seahawks, 7:15 pm

[Brian707]

4 hours ago, CubinNY said:

Even not trying, the Packers will win. 

Packers are 9 point favorites, they will try to move up from #7 to #6. I am sure they would rather avoid Philly in the 1st round

[Soul]

4 minutes ago, Brian707 said:

No matter how many times you say that word they will never be that name again

It would be helpful if they came up with a logo that looks like something more than what they have.  It's like [Insert New Logo Here].  Every time I see it I think to myself nobody in the org is really on board.

[gflore34]

The real question - will Jenkins play?  And, if he does, how long?  So far, this season he's missed/exited games with the following body parts injuries: thigh, ribs, ankle, knee, calf.  If does manage to play, what body part will be injured?  Might as well round it out with, say, a shoulder contusion?  And it'll happen in the most Bearsy way, don't know the specifics but, in some way that could only happen to a Bears player.

Edited December 30, 2024 by gflore34

[Derwood]

26 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

The real question - will Jenkins play?  And, if he does, how long?  So far, this season he's missed/exited games with the following parts injuries: thigh, ribs, ankle, knee, calf.  If does manage to play, what body will be injured?  Might as well round it out with, say, a shoulder contusion?  And it'll happen in the most Bearsy way, don't know the specifics but, in some way that could only happen to Bears player.

Caleb will fumble a snap, and in the scrum to recover the ball, Jenkins will somehow dislocate is shoulder AND injure Caleb at the same time

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Williams gets within one of the sack record, it'll be bagent time 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Breer reporting bears will make Poles the leader of the coach search to reassure candidates there's no confusion and Warren isn't in charge.

 

My optimism is dwindling fast. 

 

[NorthsideAvenger]

5 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Breer reporting bears will make Poles the leader of the coach search to reassure candidates there's no confusion and Warren isn't in charge.

 

My optimism is dwindling fast. 

 

That's so Bears.

[gflore34]

14 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Breer reporting bears will make Poles the leader of the coach search to reassure candidates there's no confusion and Warren isn't in charge.

 

My optimism is dwindling fast. 

 

A desperate Poles may be worse than a non-desperate Poles or, he'll continue to find Nate Davis types to sign/trade for.  With the combination of cap space and draft picks there's no question a decent GM could fix the OL in one off season.  But there's the catch a decent GM.

[jersey cubs fan]

19 hours ago, Soul said:

Is there an indication they will fire Poles?

All the leaks last week told me the Warren Poles relationship was toast. Who knows what comes of it, but I do not think those guys want to work together next year. 

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Breer reporting bears will make Poles the leader of the coach search to reassure candidates there's no confusion and Warren isn't in charge.

 

My optimism is dwindling fast. 

 

There’s this:

Apparently he deactivated his account shortly after posting this. 

[minnesotacubsfan]

42 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

There’s this:

Apparently he deactivated his account shortly after posting this. 

wonder what Ben hes talking about

 

 

 

[NorthsideAvenger]

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Edited December 31, 2024 by NorthsideAvenger

[gflore34]

4 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

A poster on another board is saying the Bears are bringing back Ernie Accorsi to help with the search. Please tell me this is not true. 

I'd like to believe this is just idle speculation however, it's the Bears.  Who have a real affinity for the doing the things in same manner that has resulted in multiple failures.

[CubinNY]

They should be called the Chicago LOLBears

[raw]

7 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Breer reporting bears will make Poles the leader of the coach search to reassure candidates there's no confusion and Warren isn't in charge.

Am I the only one that thinks this is the right way to go about this? Poles is the only one that has ever interviewed a HC candidate before. The alternative is that Warren and guys like Accorsi and Irsay do the whole HC/GM process at the same time again and hire the guy that best embodies Chicago Bears legacy as the GM who agrees with their HC of choice. 

"Leading the search" isn't the same as being the sole person to make the hire. Poles SHOULD be involved in finding and interviewing the candidates. Obviously, you have Warren and some other guys in there. If the coach(es) you want say they want to bring in their own guy, you let them bring in their own guy, thank Poles for his help, and move on from him. 

[WrigleyField 22]

16 minutes ago, raw said:

Am I the only one that thinks this is the right way to go about this? Poles is the only one that has ever interviewed a HC candidate before. The alternative is that Warren and guys like Accorsi and Irsay do the whole HC/GM process at the same time again and hire the guy that best embodies Chicago Bears legacy as the GM who agrees with their HC of choice. 

"Leading the search" isn't the same as being the sole person to make the hire. Poles SHOULD be involved in finding and interviewing the candidates. Obviously, you have Warren and some other guys in there. If the coach(es) you want say they want to bring in their own guy, you let them bring in their own guy, thank Poles for his help, and move on from him. 

I think there's a arguably awkward component where if Ben Johnson is the guy you don't really need Poles or anyone else there to help lead from a football side.  You just need Warren to act and give assurances from ownership. That isn't to say Poles can't co-exist with Johnson.. Plenty of strong HC candidates, included experienced HCs, haven't gotten carte blanch to name their exec day 1.  I don't think Johnson is the exception to that rule.

But if Johnson isn't the guy (because he wants to go elsewhere) then you probably do want someone with more football knowledge than Warren leading the search.  It seems likely the org still would have Poles be that guy over the unknown of a replacement. I'd personally cut bait with Poles either way, but I'm not gonna freak out if he stays.  But an extension seems dumb to me. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

20 minutes ago, raw said:

Am I the only one that thinks this is the right way to go about this? Poles is the only one that has ever interviewed a HC candidate before. The alternative is that Warren and guys like Accorsi and Irsay do the whole HC/GM process at the same time again and hire the guy that best embodies Chicago Bears legacy as the GM who agrees with their HC of choice. 

"Leading the search" isn't the same as being the sole person to make the hire. Poles SHOULD be involved in finding and interviewing the candidates. Obviously, you have Warren and some other guys in there. If the coach(es) you want say they want to bring in their own guy, you let them bring in their own guy, thank Poles for his help, and move on from him. 

The right way to approach it is to fire Poles on Black Monday.

Short of that, this is probably the next best option.

Letting him lead interviews with people who may or not have the ability to fire him is kinda crazy buckets 

[WrigleyField 22]

3 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The right way to approach it is to fire Poles on Black Monday.

Short of that, this is probably the next best option.

Letting him lead interviews with people who may or not have the ability to fire him is kinda crazy buckets 

If they like him enough not to fire him, no coach should be able to fire him.

 

Now 53 man control and reporting lines are totally negotiable, but it makes no sense if he's truly leading process that he might be fired at the conclusion of it.

 

Now if he's not really leading it and that was Warren bs...

[raw]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The right way to approach it is to fire Poles on Black Monday.

Short of that, this is probably the next best option.

Letting him lead interviews with people who may or not have the ability to fire him is kinda crazy buckets 

I think it's crazier to trust the guy who can't get the stadium taken care of to get the GM hire right.

Poles 100% deserves to be fired. But it also just so happens that he's probably the most competent person currently in the organization to get things right.

The results have been disgustingly bad, but I think his thought process has been solid and different from recent Bears history. This franchise has been defense + running the ball from hell or high water. He had the guts to trade away the QB who made half of that equation among the best in the league. I can't say with any confidence that any other GM the Bears have ever had would taken Caleb and tried to gear the team to playing modern football. Everything about Poles (young, black, analytical) is a positive change from Bears past. And I think there's enough smoke out there that he wanted to get rid of Flus and wasn't allowed. 

The Bears historically would not even think about hiring Ben Johnson. They'd be hiring Vrabel or Carroll and trying to set a high floor with defense, rushing and discipline. 

[raw]

3 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

If they like him enough not to fire him, no coach should be able to fire him.

 

Now 53 man control and reporting lines are totally negotiable, but it makes no sense if he's truly leading process that he might be fired at the conclusion of it.

 

Now if he's not really leading it and that was Warren bs...

I get it, but I don't look at it that way. He's leading the process because he's the only one capable of leading the process in-house. There have been GMs that have drafted for their teams and then gotten fired. It's a terrible way to do things, but so is keeping a coach because of his contract. And so is letting a coach do a press conference and then firing him 2 hours later. 

Just get the hire right. Just do the best for Caleb. I don't trust anyone more than Poles (maybe Cunningham, but package deal) to at least make moves with Caleb's best interest in mind.

 

[WrigleyField 22]

5 minutes ago, raw said:

I think it's crazier to trust the guy who can't get the stadium taken care of to get the GM hire right.

Poles 100% deserves to be fired. But it also just so happens that he's probably the most competent person currently in the organization to get things right.

The results have been disgustingly bad, but I think his thought process has been solid and different from recent Bears history. This franchise has been defense + running the ball from hell or high water. He had the guts to trade away the QB who made half of that equation among the best in the league. I can't say with any confidence that any other GM the Bears have ever had would taken Caleb and tried to gear the team to playing modern football. Everything about Poles (young, black, analytical) is a positive change from Bears past. And I think there's enough smoke out there that he wanted to get rid of Flus and wasn't allowed. 

The Bears historically would not even think about hiring Ben Johnson. They'd be hiring Vrabel or Carroll and trying to set a high floor with defense, rushing and discipline. 

Oh come on raw, every bears GM of the last 25 years would have taken Caleb.  Also the last 2 GMs both made obvious efforts to bring in a head coach to catapult the offense too.  Angelo made a huge swing at QB too. Poles really hasn't done anything that special or different among Bears history i/r/t to changing Bears culture vis a vie offense/defense.

 

I also think his analytic approach is extremely basic from everything we've seen.  The best idea we have of his analytics is an A-score that could be replaced with RAS (and the heavy RAS bias of his draft picks). Do we have any evidence he sees analytics as a deeper study into areas like game management or sports science (we've seen 3 years of awful game management and bad injury results and possibly poor injury management).

[WrigleyField 22]

42 minutes ago, raw said:

I get it, but I don't look at it that way. He's leading the process because he's the only one capable of leading the process in-house. There have been GMs that have drafted for their teams and then gotten fired. 

Bills in 2017 are the only one I can immediately think of.  Maybe there's others, but I truly don't know if that was "planned" or actually just a power struggle come early.  As a planned approach it's silly though.  They can get a guy in to be the football mind if Poles isn't it. They can do it all in the one cycle as a GM-HC combo. Or if Johnson or an experienced HC is the guy they can do it later on and they can get into FA and draft with the next top 2/3 personnel guys intact.

 

I can't think of a coach of recent memory that has weilded that much power to get a guy fired to get a job. That included very highly regarded hires. Maybe it's kept guys from taking jobs because they couldn't..  But I guess that what they have to be prepared for if they keep Poles (and maybe are extending him).

Edited December 31, 2024 by WrigleyField 22

[raw]

2 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

Oh come on raw, every bears GM of the last 25 years would have taken Caleb.  Also the last 2 GMs both made obvious efforts to bring in a head coach to catapult the offense too.  Angelo made a huge swing at QB too. Poles really hasn't done anything that special or different among Bears history i/r/t to changing Bears culture vis a vie offense/defense.

 

I also think his analytic approach is extremely basic from everything we've seen.  The best idea we have of his analytics is an A-score that could be replaced with RAS (and the heavy RAS bias of his draft picks). Do we have any evidence he sees analytics as a deeper study into areas like game management or sports science (we've seen 3 years of awful game management and bad injury results and possibly poor injury management).

I would like to think that, but the last GM traded up for a guy because he drove his grandmother's beater car, over what would be the best QB in the league when he also said he had them rated equal (Watson was more logical a pick). Emery would have surely taken Penix because he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Angelo would have kept Fields and traded back to get more 2nd round picks.

Nevermind the fact that none of the previous GMs would have had the Bears in position to have the #1 pick that led to the Caleb trade. They all would have tried to build the team around Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn. 

[gflore34]

13 minutes ago, raw said:

I would like to think that, but the last GM traded up for a guy because he drove his grandmother's beater car, over what would be the best QB in the league when he also said he had them rated equal (Watson was more logical a pick). Emery would have surely taken Penix because he thought he was smarter than everyone else. Angelo would have kept Fields and traded back to get more 2nd round picks.

Nevermind the fact that none of the previous GMs would have had the Bears in position to have the #1 pick that led to the Caleb trade. They all would have tried to build the team around Khalil Mack and Robert Quinn. 

I have to agree, we can't assume Caleb would have been a slam dunk with any of those three.  And they most definitely would have gone with the meathead defense, defense, run the ball, control the clock approach.  Thereby, probably removing the Bears chances at the #1 pick.

Edited December 31, 2024 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

Shea McClellin
 

god I hated emry