Winter Meetings thread

[Rcal10]

2 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Rogers was on ESPN 1000. Basically said that he think the Cubs have the inside track on Tucker over the Yankees. Also that Cody Bellinger to the Yankees was picking up steam. If the Yankees felt confident on Tucker, they'd not need Bellinger - who could play 1b or OF, depending on what they want to do. 

Bregman seems likely to choose shortly and industry believes Yankees are the team to beat here. 

If the Cubs trade Bellinger, I cannot imagine they'd be including both Parades and Suzuki to the Astros. They won't deal three starters. 

So end result I'm expecting these dominoes to fall reading the leaves: 

1. Bregman signs with NYY

2. Cubs trade Bellinger to NYY for...things. 

3. Cubs trade Parades or Suzuki to Astros, plus like one of Smith/Caisse/Alcantara and maybe some lower end prospects like Cole Mathis or something. They get Tucker.

Thank you for a complete run down. Works for me. But if Bregman doesn’t go back to the Astros they now have money to spend. Maybe they don’t deal Tucker. At one point I thought the theory was Houston would keep either Tucker or Bregman. Doesn’t losing Bregman make Houston slightly more likely to keep Tucker? 

Edited December 11, 2024 by Rcal10

[Jason Ross]

5 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Thank you for a complete run down. Works for me. But if Bregman doesn’t go back to the Astros they now have money to spend. Maybe they don’t deal Tucker. At one point I thought the theory was Houston would keep either Tucker or Bregman. Doesn’t losing Bregman make Houston slightly more likely to keep Tucker? 

The Astros are even stingier with long term deals than the Cubs. I think they're pretty clearly not going to sign Tucker at all. For all of the winging we have over Swanson being the biggest contract under Hoyer, the Astros have never gone over six years. They also reportedly love Parades. 

This turns a guy they probably will never extend into a guy they control for 3 years who is designed for their home field.

I also suspect that if the Cubs trade for Tucker, there's some reason to believe that the can extend him. How likely that is? I'm not sure. But I think there's some belief. 

[Jason Ross]

 

[We Got The Whole 9]

I'm prepared for this to hurt a lot but this is Jed's last shot at a real impact franchise player and he's gotta get it done. 

 

Paredes 

Caissie

Smith

Whoever

 

Biggest haul in MLB trades in quite a while. Mostly because Paredes is hard to gauge. His profile doesn't sit well with me in Wrigley though.

[Bertz]

 

Feels like this is gonna happen and Jed is in "don't wanna jinx it" mode

 

[Jason Ross]

Just now, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I'm prepared for this to hurt a lot but this is Jed's last shot at a real impact franchise player and he's gotta get it done. 

 

Paredes 

Caissie

Smith

Whoever

 

Biggest haul in MLB trades in quite a while. Mostly because Paredes is hard to gauge. His profile doesn't sit well with me in Wrigley though.

I think that's one impact prospect too many. My guess will be:

Parades

One of: Caissie/Smith/Alcantara 

And a sweetner. It could be a pitcher like Assad or Wicks. It could be a guy like Jonny Long or Cole Mathis. 

But I think that's about in line with what Soto went for last year, and that's probably overpaying for Tucker, who is great, but isn't Soto, either. 

[chibears55]

Winter meeting over, cubs only added a rule 5 guy ans as always are in a bunch of rumors on players. 

Let see if anything actually gets done before the Hollidays

[Illiterate Scholar]

Jed's doing a bit with the football analogies right?

[Rcal10]

4 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I think that's one impact prospect too many. My guess will be:

Parades

One of: Caissie/Smith/Alcantara 

And a sweetner. It could be a pitcher like Assad or Wicks. It could be a guy like Jonny Long or Cole Mathis. 

But I think that's about in line with what Soto went for last year, and that's probably overpaying for Tucker, who is great, but isn't Soto, either. 

I make that deal all day long. 

[Jason Ross]

Just now, Rcal10 said:

I make that deal all day long. 

I'd do it as well. 

[Jason Ross]

Sharma and Mooney update. There's nothing big on Tucker but two points:

1. Cubs have met with Sasaki and his representatives

2. Cubs have interest in Hoby Milner

[Rcal10]

Just now, 1908_Cubs said:

I'd do it as well. 

But will the Astros???! 

[Rcal10]

Just now, 1908_Cubs said:

Sharma and Mooney update. There's nothing big on Tucker but two points:

1. Cubs have met with Sasaki and his representatives

2. Cubs have interest in Hoby Milner

I predicted Hoby the day he was dfa.

[Jason Ross]

5 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

But will the Astros???! 

Well that's my prediction. I think they will, ultimately, settle on something close to that

[Tryptamine]

Milner would be great.

[UMFan83]

lol Jesse says that in his mind they are trading for Tucker for 1 season only and would be very unlikely to extend him.  Deal makes sense because he's cheap next year and gives them flexibility when he leaves.

 

 

[Tryptamine]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

lol Jesse says that in his mind they are trading for Tucker for 1 season only and would be very unlikely to extend him.  Deal makes sense because he's cheap next year and gives them flexibility when he leaves.

 

 

Hopefully Jed isn't this dumb.

[Andy]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

lol Jesse says that in his mind they are trading for Tucker for 1 season only and would be very unlikely to extend him.  Deal makes sense because he's cheap next year and gives them flexibility when he leaves.

 

 

I was never of the mind this trade would be followed by a signing. That doesn't mean I'm against the trade, though.

[NorthsideAvenger]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

lol Jesse says that in his mind they are trading for Tucker for 1 season only and would be very unlikely to extend him.  Deal makes sense because he's cheap next year and gives them flexibility when he leaves.

 

 

That would be the most half-ass idea Jed and company could come up with, if Jesse is correct. If you don't intend to sign Tucker long-term, then don't bother even wasting assets to acquire him. 

[Rcal10]

8 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

lol Jesse says that in his mind they are trading for Tucker for 1 season only and would be very unlikely to extend him.  Deal makes sense because he's cheap next year and gives them flexibility when he leaves.

 

 

That confirms it. Rogers is an idiot. Even if that does eventually happen there is no way the Cubs are trading for Tucker knowing they have no intention of signing him long term. 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Rcal10

[Rcal10]

6 minutes ago, Andy said:

I was never of the mind this trade would be followed by a signing. That doesn't mean I'm against the trade, though.

I don’t think it is followed directly by a signing. But I do think the Cubs would not do this deal strictly for one year, knowing they have no intention of signing him long term. 

[PackLandVA]

Trading for Tucker for one year gives Jed the ability to trade Tucker for "assets" at the end of July when the Cubs are "close to the playoffs, but ultimately sellers because, next year."

[Bertz]

At minimum you have to make a trade assuming it's for a year.  No extension is realistically coming until March.  We saw that with Lindor/Betts/etc.

[Stratos]

1 hour ago, JD94 said:

"Also mentions he’s heard the Astros don’t want Bellinger because of his comments on the 2017 cheating scandal,..."

😂🤣  Belli probably doesn't want to go there either LOL

[Stratos]

4 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

Trading for Tucker for one year gives Jed the ability to trade Tucker for "assets" at the end of July when the Cubs are "close to the playoffs, but ultimately sellers because, next year."

If they're contending and keep Tucker until FA they'll give a QO.  So that should go into the calculation of the trade.  Can throw them a prospect which has the the value of a QO pick and get it back.