Going somewhere, Soto? Yes, to the Yankees

[ILMindState]

Soto LF, Judge CF, and Verdugo RF? That is gonna be a terrible defensive OF

[WhyCantWeWin]

King and Thorpe is already an overpay and they are reportedly going to tack on more. 

 

Morel/Brown/Wesneski somewhat similar to that offer? Maybe Wicks instead of Wesneski

[Jason Ross]

1 minute ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

King and Thorpe is already an overpay and they are reportedly going to tack on more. 

 

Morel/Brown/Wesneski somewhat similar to that offer? Maybe Wicks instead of Wesneski

Thorpe is much closer to Horton.

[Irrelevant Dude]

That is an insane return for one year of Soto if in fact the deal gets done.  How would those Yankees prospects compare to what the Padres gave up in the first place?

Edited December 6, 2023 by Irrelevant Dude

[Jason Ross]

8 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That is an insane return for one year of Soto if in fact the deal gets done.  How would those Yankees prospects compare to what the Padres gave up in the first place?

I mean, significantly worse overall. Thorpe is good, but is like "top-40" prospect good. James Woods is "top-10" prospect good on his own. Michael King is interesting, but he's over 28 and has 9 starts under his belt (though lots of relief appearances). Other prosects are likely to be fine, but not phenomenal. 

Overall, though, it's a lot for one year of Soto and better than I'd have expected by far if it ends up being those two and prospects.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Did Thorpe have a bump in velo?  I wouldn't consider him close to Horton's tier of prospect without one, if anything that profile would then be a closer match to Wicks.

How much of an overpay that is then depends on what you think of King.  Definitely some uncertainty about whether he's a starter or reliever, and he's only got team control for 2 years so the fact that he hasn't exceeded last year's 104 IP since 2018 is not a point in his favor either.  If it's those 2 I don't think it's all that far off, but since the Cubs don't have a super clean comparable to King, you'd have to hope the Padres had similar feelings about Assad or Wesneski.  And quite frankly I'm not sure how jazzed I'd be about one of them and Wicks being the deal(though I'd have to think on it).

[We Got The Whole 9]

5 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

That is an insane return for one year of Soto if in fact the deal gets done.  How would those Yankees prospects compare to what the Padres gave up in the first place?

Abrams has 80 grade speed and stole 47/51 bases this year with 18 HR. Was the #6 overall pick in his draft and zoomed through the minors. Probably a 3 win player as a floor in the next few years, although he didn't grade too well on defense FWIW.

James Wood is a monster of a man who carries a big stick but probably has the same questions as Alcantara with the long levers and BBK that leaves some to be desired. 

Mackenzie Gore has TORP potential. Everyone loves a LHSP who can average 95 with a good breaking ball. But he gave up a lot of hard contact and a ton of HR this year.

 

Each of those prospects has All-Star potential. The Nationals did really well in that trade IMO. Raided the right system. Kudos to Preller because it seems like he's going to get really good value back, but that was a haul.

[Jason Ross]

2 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

Did Thorpe have a bump in velo?  I wouldn't consider him close to Horton's tier of prospect without one, if anything that profile would then be a closer match to Wicks.

How much of an overpay that is then depends on what you think of King.  Definitely some uncertainty about whether he's a starter or reliever, and he's only got team control for 2 years so the fact that he hasn't exceeded last year's 104 IP since 2018 is not a point in his favor either.  If it's those 2 I don't think it's all that far off, but since the Cubs don't have a super clean comparable to King, you'd have to hope the Padres had similar feelings about Assad or Wesneski.  And quite frankly I'm not sure how jazzed I'd be about one of them and Wicks being the deal(though I'd have to think on it).

I've seen slight bump in velo. Jarred Steidler of BA says his changeup is the best offspeed pitch in the entire MiLB and that he's probably too low on their list at 42. Seems really big on him. So I'd say a significant step up from Wicks who was never getting this kind of love. 

Lower than Horton, IMO. But that's probably the closest we have to Thorpe.

Edited December 6, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[NorthsideAvenger]

Yankees probably feel comfortable with this trade (should it happen) knowing they can re-sign him even though they will have to the FA dance with him. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1 minute ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I've seen slight bump in velo. Jarred Steidler of BA says his changeup is the best offspeed pitch in the entire MiLB and that he's probably too low on their list at 42. Seems really big on him. So I'd say a significant step up from Wicks who was never getting this kind of love. 

I dunno, I don't subscribe to BA so I can't see their ranking of him, but their '2027 lineup' lists him as a 5 starter behind King and Nester Cortes.  Pipeline and Fangraphs barely have him in their Top 5 Yankees prospects(which isn't a system dripping with premium talent), and the only Top 100 placement I see across Pipeline, Fangraphs, and Prospects Live is Pipeline sneaking him in at 99.  I'm much more comfortable saying that is more comparable to what Wicks' pedigree was(especially being a changeup artist himself) than being a no doubt Top 50 prospect or on Horton's tier(which is at least a half step higher than that). 

[Jason Ross]

4 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

I dunno, I don't subscribe to BA so I can't see their ranking of him, but their '2027 lineup' lists him as a 5 starter behind King and Nester Cortes.  Pipeline and Fangraphs barely have him in their Top 5 Yankees prospects(which isn't a system dripping with premium talent), and the only Top 100 placement I see across Pipeline, Fangraphs, and Prospects Live is Pipeline sneaking him in at 99.  I'm much more comfortable saying that is more comparable to what Wicks' pedigree was(especially being a changeup artist himself) than being a no doubt Top 50 prospect or on Horton's tier(which is at least a half step higher than that). 

 

 

This is Seidler's thread. And while Seidler may be a bit higher on Thorpe than some others, no one was talking like this on Wicks. I say this as a Wicks guy, myself.

Edited December 6, 2023 by 1908_Cubs

[17 Seconds]

i just looked at the hitters hitting FA next offseason (outside of soto), and it's not pretty. it would be great if jed could swing a big trade that we're not expecting. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by 17 Seconds

[Bertz]

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1732449035657609660?t=4A0bINWkXxPFE5i258Dsmw&s=19

More or less done it sounds like

[SOFNR]

After having close to zero expectations from this ownership/gm the last few years i really let myself believe they were going to be going all out this offseason. That's my fault. There are still ways to build a strong division leader here but this is still very dissapointing. I'm not going to give them a pass for trades being too expensive or players not picking them because they've put themselves in this situation. It's nice they seem to be willing to spend towards the tax again but actions speak louder then words. They've had plenty of opportunities to go after stars in FA or trades the last half decade and shied away, often because of money. At some point you have to find a way to do it.

[Dfan25]

All it takes is one desperate team . Looking like SD will come away with a big win here , considering everybody knew they needed to trade Soto.

[chopsx9]

1 hour ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Yankees probably feel comfortable with this trade (should it happen) knowing they can re-sign him even though they will have to the FA dance with him. 

Yeah but every team can resign him next offseason - they just won't have to give up the prospect haul the Yankees did.  There's going to be huge pressure for results in one year for both himself and the team.  What are chances Soto hates it in NY?  I'm going to say above average.  

[gocubs218]

1 hour ago, 17 Seconds said:

i just looked at the hitters hitting FA next offseason (outside of soto), and it's not pretty. it would be great if jed could swing a big trade that we're not expecting. 

Huh? It’s tons better than this year. Soto, Alonso, Bregman, Altuve, Goldschmidt, Christian Walker, Gleyber. 

[17 Seconds]

Just now, gocubs218 said:

Huh? It’s tons better than this year. Soto, Alonso, Bregman, Altuve, Goldschmidt, Christian Walker, Gleyber. 

i said besides soto. altuve and goldy are old, alonso and bregman are likely to re-sign with their current teams, and gleyber is not exactly exciting. 

[CubinNY]

The Yankees are going to back up the truck for him next year if he has a great year this year. But Hal Steinbrenner is not George Steinbrenner. If Soto is merely good there is a likelihood that he can be gotten for cash next year. I'm okay with that. 

[Cuzi]

1 minute ago, CubinNY said:

The Yankees are going to back up the truck for him next year if he has a great year this year. But Hal Steinbrenner is not George Steinbrenner. If Soto is merely good there is a likelihood that he can be gotten for cash next year. I'm okay with that. 

Cubs will be sure to not win the bidding.

[Stratos]

Verdugo traded to NYY

Edited December 6, 2023 by Stratos

[KCCub]

 

 

[Post Count Padder]

This would be like us trading, what, Wesneski, Keegan, Ben Brown and spare parts?

[WhyCantWeWin]

9 minutes ago, KCCub said:

 

 

That's a lot to give up, guess they did really want pitching. If the sticking point was Horton then I'm OK losing out here but if Jed balked because of the other arms they were asking for then I'd be pissed. 

[Banedon]