It turns out the real Yu Darvish was the friends we made in this thread

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[Brian707]

Give Jake 5 years and move on. He helped us win a championship for the first time in 108 years. Nuf said.

 

 

[entbird79]

Give Jake 5 years and move on. He helped us win a championship for the first time in 108 years. Nuf said.

 

[BigbadB]

Give Jake 5 years and move on. He helped us win a championship for the first time in 108 years. Nuf said.

 

Or, let's be not as good of a team for the next 5 years because of an impatient month in January and two months before the season even begins. That'll surely show Darvish who is boss.

 

It sucks that it's taking this long, but I'm actually kind of fascinated by what's transpiring with Darvish, Cobb and Arrieta. I'm not really worried, because I really see no possibility where the Cubs don't get one of those guys. But while all of them are still available, why settle for less than the best when the best is still an option?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

i don't like how darvish, jake, cobb and, in some cases, lynn keep getting lumped together. to me there's a pretty clear pecking order there.

[HawkeTrackler]

Give Jake 5 years and move on. He helped us win a championship for the first time in 108 years. Nuf said.

 

[KrisBryantisaBeast]

I would much rather give Cobb 4/60 then Darvish 7/175. Huge pass on that.

[CubinNY]

There is no way any team is giving him a 7-year deal. If that's the holdup, it may be well into the season before he signs. Who wants to pay a 39-year-old pitcher 25M/year?

 

Can you imagine how far apart they must be if Theo is sticking with a 4-year deal and Darvish want's almost twice as long?

[Post Count Padder]

Something has to give soon right? Don't pitchers and catchers report in like 2 weeks? Half the market is still unsigned.

[BigbadB]

There is no way any team is giving him a 7-year deal. If that's the holdup, it may be well into the season before he signs. Who wants to pay a 39-year-old pitcher 25M/year?

 

Can you imagine how far apart they must be if Theo is sticking with a 4-year deal and Darvish want's almost twice as long?

 

This is just another ploy by his agent to up the offers that are already lying on the table. His agent stands to lose future clients if he fails to get anywhere close to the contract Darvish expects. Seems like everyone has played their cards and no one is budging.

[Little Slide Rooter]

My thinking is that his agent is just killing time while they play wait and see if the Yankees can free up some cash by moving Elsbury, and if somebody bites, then they bite.

[UMFan83]

Something has to give soon right? Don't pitchers and catchers report in like 2 weeks? Half the market is still unsigned.

 

Yeah it will be interesting to see which side blinks first as we get closer to that date. If the big names are still unsigned when camps get under way, its going to get super interesting. And by super interesting I mean even more boring.

[Bertz]

There is no way any team is giving him a 7-year deal. If that's the holdup, it may be well into the season before he signs. Who wants to pay a 39-year-old pitcher 25M/year?

 

Can you imagine how far apart they must be if Theo is sticking with a 4-year deal and Darvish want's almost twice as long?

 

I'd say 7 years is far far more likely than 4.

 

This winter's been weird, but everyone who has signed has more or less gotten what they were supposed to, or even a little more. The over/Under on Darvish's contract coming into the winter was 6/150 or so, Jon Lester money. I still think the absolute low end of what he'll sign for is Johnny Cueto money: 6/130 with an opt out. Yu's the top guy on the market, he's going to get his.

 

The guys who should really worry are the players who play at a position where there's only 1-2 teams looking for someone: Lucroy, Moustakas, Morrison, Frazier, Holland, and Hosmer. Hosmer will do fine, because for some reason both the Padres and Royals love him, but I'd guess 2-3 of the other names I mentioned are the ones who are going to suffer. Everyone else will be fine, teams and agents are just playing chicken right now.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I would much rather give Cobb 4/60 then Darvish 7/175. Huge pass on that.

For the record, I'd rather give Milton Bradley 3/1 than give Yu 20/2000.

[Bluescale]

I'd say 7 years is far far more likely than 4.

 

This winter's been weird, but everyone who has signed has more or less gotten what they were supposed to, or even a little more. The over/Under on Darvish's contract coming into the winter was 6/150 or so, Jon Lester money. I still think the absolute low end of what he'll sign for is Johnny Cueto money: 6/130 with an opt out. Yu's the top guy on the market, he's going to get his.

 

Offer him 6/130 or 7/145, and see if he bites. We can even frontload the deal a bit, since it's the average that counts for the LT calculation.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

We're in uncharted territory so there's room for either side to be logical, but I have a hard time seeing how 7 years is more likely than 4. Do we really think Darvish would have waited this long if he was sitting on a 6 year offer? And if he's not, how is he gonna get from 5 to 7? It strikes me much more likely that the lack of competition from high market teams forces him to maximize AAV over 4-5 years.

[weis21]

Give Jake 5 years and move on. He helped us win a championship for the first time in 108 years. Nuf said.

[Clem Fandango]

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[WhosTheBoskie]

We're in uncharted territory so there's room for either side to be logical, but I have a hard time seeing how 7 years is more likely than 4. Do we really think Darvish would have waited this long if he was sitting on a 6 year offer? And if he's not, how is he gonna get from 5 to 7? It strikes me much more likely that the lack of competition from high market teams forces him to maximize AAV over 4-5 years.

If I were a betting man, I'd say he has a give year offer with a 6th year option of some kind. His agent is probably trying to get that to a 6 year guaranteed with 7 as an option. It's rather reasonable when you see a lot of the other deals signed in years past. However, we are in a new market where teams are much more worried about LT penalties. Market has to change at some point. Whether you want to call it collusion or everyone coming to their senses, it's pretty clear teams and agents have their heels dug in. To everyone who has said the guys behind him want him to just go ahead and sign, I bet not. They're rooting for him to get everything he can. I'd be ok with the sixth and a vesting 7th of some sort. Our window isn't open forever and we have to maximize. There's no one else this year who can improve our rotation that much.

 

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[Bertz]

We're in uncharted territory so there's room for either side to be logical, but I have a hard time seeing how 7 years is more likely than 4. Do we really think Darvish would have waited this long if he was sitting on a 6 year offer? And if he's not, how is he gonna get from 5 to 7? It strikes me much more likely that the lack of competition from high market teams forces him to maximize AAV over 4-5 years.

 

I don't think he's going to get seven years so much as I think there's no way in hell he only gets four, short of an undisclosed injury. The top guys almost always get their money in the end. Chris Davis, Max Scherzer, Justin Upton (2 winters ago) all got theirs, and I know it was a while back at this point but Prince Fielder got his too. I can't remember a top guy ever really falling short of expectations, even when they've gone past MLK day without signing. Yoenis Cespedes is probably the closest. Last year he was supposed to get around 5/125 last winter and signed for 4/110. Although he signed that deal fairly early, he wasn't waiting around for two months, so it's possible that he just liked shorter term/higher AAV. IT makes a little more sense for a position player, and as a team that is not at all concerned about the luxury tax it worked out well for the Mets too.

 

There's a lot of smoke coming out of Darvish's camp right now. My guess is that it's more about them trying to wrap things up rather than that them being desperate. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his 6/150 offer in hand, and his agents are basically doing a lap around the league once more to make sure they're not leaving any money on the table.

[javy knows my name]

We're in uncharted territory so there's room for either side to be logical, but I have a hard time seeing how 7 years is more likely than 4. Do we really think Darvish would have waited this long if he was sitting on a 6 year offer? And if he's not, how is he gonna get from 5 to 7? It strikes me much more likely that the lack of competition from high market teams forces him to maximize AAV over 4-5 years.

 

I don't think he's going to get seven years so much as I think there's no way in hell he only gets four, short of an undisclosed injury. The top guys almost always get their money in the end. Chris Davis, Max Scherzer, Justin Upton (2 winters ago) all got theirs, and I know it was a while back at this point but Prince Fielder got his too. I can't remember a top guy ever really falling short of expectations, even when they've gone past MLK day without signing. Yoenis Cespedes is probably the closest. Last year he was supposed to get around 5/125 last winter and signed for 4/110. Although he signed that deal fairly early, he wasn't waiting around for two months, so it's possible that he just liked shorter term/higher AAV. IT makes a little more sense for a position player, and as a team that is not at all concerned about the luxury tax it worked out well for the Mets too.

 

There's a lot of smoke coming out of Darvish's camp right now. My guess is that it's more about them trying to wrap things up rather than that them being desperate. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his 6/150 offer in hand, and his agents are basically doing a lap around the league once more to make sure they're not leaving any money on the table.

 

From who?

[Cubswin11]

We're in uncharted territory so there's room for either side to be logical, but I have a hard time seeing how 7 years is more likely than 4. Do we really think Darvish would have waited this long if he was sitting on a 6 year offer? And if he's not, how is he gonna get from 5 to 7? It strikes me much more likely that the lack of competition from high market teams forces him to maximize AAV over 4-5 years.

 

I don't think he's going to get seven years so much as I think there's no way in hell he only gets four, short of an undisclosed injury. The top guys almost always get their money in the end. Chris Davis, Max Scherzer, Justin Upton (2 winters ago) all got theirs, and I know it was a while back at this point but Prince Fielder got his too. I can't remember a top guy ever really falling short of expectations, even when they've gone past MLK day without signing. Yoenis Cespedes is probably the closest. Last year he was supposed to get around 5/125 last winter and signed for 4/110. Although he signed that deal fairly early, he wasn't waiting around for two months, so it's possible that he just liked shorter term/higher AAV. IT makes a little more sense for a position player, and as a team that is not at all concerned about the luxury tax it worked out well for the Mets too.

 

There's a lot of smoke coming out of Darvish's camp right now. My guess is that it's more about them trying to wrap things up rather than that them being desperate. I wouldn't be surprised if he has his 6/150 offer in hand, and his agents are basically doing a lap around the league once more to make sure they're not leaving any money on the table.

 

From who?

I wouldn't be surprised if we have 6/150ish on the table with options/incentives but not not fully guaranteed and maybe something like 4/110-5/130 guaranteed.

[David]

I'm getting on a plane for the next four hours so obviously this will go down while I'm in the air. The Butler trade happened the same way.

[davell]

The back end of a 6,7, or 8 year deal doesn't bother me. Mainly because we'll be into a new CBA at that point. And the LT number will be much, much higher than its at now. Closer to 300 mill, based on current revenues. Its just not going to hamper us that much, as long as we don't make it a habit contractually, which Theo wouldn't.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm getting on a plane for the next four hours so obviously this will go down while I'm in the air.

 

Man, look at Tim posting with David's account.