Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Banedon]

McCoy interview is officially set for Sunday.

[Soul]

why mccoy? sell me on him. i understand that he's flexible, but what do you think his vision would be?

 

I'm highly valuing that flexibility. We've had such rigid, unimaginative coaches in the past, imo, and that ability to make the most out of what you have is important to me.

 

I love what Clements has done, but also, he has a lot of talent, so I have questions about what he'd do to make this offense work. But I do like him as well, and would be thrilled if he was hired.

 

I'd be happy with McCoy too.

 

Clements made Flynn look like Dan Marino. Man, that's got to be good enough :)

[Magnetic Curses]

why mccoy? sell me on him. i understand that he's flexible, but what do you think his vision would be?

 

I'm highly valuing that flexibility. We've had such rigid, unimaginative coaches in the past, imo, and that ability to make the most out of what you have is important to me.

 

I love what Clements has done, but also, he has a lot of talent, so I have questions about what he'd do to make this offense work. But I do like him as well, and would be thrilled if he was hired.

 

fair enough, but i don't trust Denver without Manning.

[Banedon]

why mccoy? sell me on him. i understand that he's flexible, but what do you think his vision would be?

 

I'm highly valuing that flexibility. We've had such rigid, unimaginative coaches in the past, imo, and that ability to make the most out of what you have is important to me.

 

I love what Clements has done, but also, he has a lot of talent, so I have questions about what he'd do to make this offense work. But I do like him as well, and would be thrilled if he was hired.

 

fair enough, but i don't trust Denver without Manning.

 

Another thing, McCoy was around when Orton was having his best seasons for Denver as well.

[Careless]

Wow didn't realize that the Bears are 31st in total offensive yards since Lovie took over in 2004.

the "wow" suggests that you're surprised.

[UMFan83]

Wow didn't realize that the Bears are 31st in total offensive yards since Lovie took over in 2004.

the "wow" suggests that you're surprised.

 

 

I didnt realize it was that bad. There have been some pretty consistently awful offensive teams out there since 2004. I would have guessed they would have been somewhere in the 24-28 range.

[Banedon]

John Clayton just said on the radio that Clements doesn't call the offensive plays, that McCarthy does? That makes me a little less interested.

[Magnetic Curses]

John Clayton just said on the radio that Clements doesn't call the offensive plays, that McCarthy does? That makes me a little less interested.

 

but he designs the game plan. i know a lot of packer fans that love the game plan but hate the playcalling of mccarthy.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wow didn't realize that the Bears are 31st in total offensive yards since Lovie took over in 2004.

the "wow" suggests that you're surprised.

 

 

I didnt realize it was that bad. There have been some pretty consistently awful offensive teams out there since 2004. I would have guessed they would have been somewhere in the 24-28 range.

 

There have been some bad offenses teams, but few match the Bears in consistency. Even when Chicago scored in 2006 they were only 15 in yards. For them gaining yards was like the Cubs taking walks.

 

Look at Baltimore. Everybody compares the Bears and Ravens when discussing teams that are led by the defense, but Baltimore has been consistently average on offense. in the 14-18 range. Miami has been without a QB forever yet they are averaging around 20th since Marino left (and actually had their worst year in 5 seasons after supposedly finding their QB).

 

KC has been bad, but they were #1 a couple times during Lovie's era and had a decent offense a couple years ago.

Edited January 3, 2013 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

John Clayton just said on the radio that Clements doesn't call the offensive plays, that McCarthy does? That makes me a little less interested.

 

I always thought he was ordering takeout with that thing.

 

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Packers-Coach-Mike-McCarthy-hints-at-playing-Erik-Walden-against-Giants-NFL-News-115773.jpg

[Magnetic Curses]

the more i read about Carmichael, the more I like him. plus he's a guy we could hire right away.

[jersey cubs fan]

the more i read about Carmichael, the more I like him. plus he's a guy we could hire right away.

 

Considering how much I've envied the Saints for having Payton, getting his OC would be a great option.

[Magnetic Curses]

the more i read about Carmichael, the more I like him. plus he's a guy we could hire right away.

 

Considering how much I've envied the Saints for having Payton, getting his OC would be a great option.

 

plus, he's been successful as a play-caller, too. when payton came back from his broken leg in 2011, he let carmichael continue calling the plays because he wasso good at it.

 

he looks like a total nerd, too, which is kind of cool.

[UK1679666180]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

[rawaction]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

And then made Thomas a top 5 wr this year after a lost year of development. Id love him with a realky athletic TE and Jeffery. Not to mention a better pass catching Rb than McGahee.

[UMFan83]

Because why not, Bill Barnwell analyzes the Lovie Smith firing:

 

Let's be honest: Had the Packers beaten the Vikings on Sunday and pushed the Bears into the NFC playoffs, Lovie Smith wouldn't be getting fired this offseason. You can argue that new general manager Phil Emery probably wanted to hire a new head coach after taking over last offseason, but coaches with Smith's track record and popularity within the organization don't get fired after making a playoff run. Smith's status as Chicago's head coach is basically tied to a terrible game from Tramon Williams against the Vikings, which seems like too flimsy of a pretense to create an organizational shift. Making decisions based on what happened in Week 17 one day afterward is rash.

 

The public argument against Smith revolves around the idea that he wasn't able to get enough out of the Chicago offense, which seems like an odd complaint to levy against a former defensive coordinator who mostly turned the offense over to former head coaches like Mike Martz and Mike Tice. And while Chicago's offense was a dismal 26th in DVOA this season, it's hard to argue that he had much to work with beyond the skill position troika of Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Matt Forte.

 

Instead, the perpetual problem in Chicago is their grotesque offensive line, a grouping that has been among the league's worst for nearly a half-decade by now. The Bears have attacked the problem a few different ways, but none of their methods have worked. Although they didn't have first- or second-round picks in 2009 and 2010 (mostly as a consequence of the Cutler trade), they did use their 2008 and 2011 first-round picks on offensive linemen. They've gotten little from those picks so far: Chris Williams struggled with injuries and failed to emerge as the team's left tackle of the future before being released in the final year of his rookie deal last October, while 2011 first-rounder Gabe Carimi missed virtually all of his rookie year and was benched during this past sophomore campaign. Going outside the organization didn't offer much more. Former general manager Jerry Angelo placed a premium on acquiring versatile offensive linemen in free agency, but the players he signed — John St. Clair, Chris Spencer, and Frank Omiyale — weren't actually good in any position. Hall of Famer–to-be Orlando Pace even showed up for a half-season, albeit years after he was broken down by injuries. The team would shuffle spots on the line every few weeks and bench a guy here or there, but outside of stalwarts Olin Kreutz (who left after 2010) and Roberto Garza, the Bears were constantly looking for answers up and down their line.

 

The result is a line filled with castoffs and accidents. J'Marcus Webb is nobody's idea of a left tackle, but he's spent most of the last two years in that spot by default while treating most pass rushers like he's a store on Black Friday. Webb was a seventh-round pick, as was guard Lance Louis. Castoffs like Jonathan Scott and Chilo Rachal saw far too many reps, virtually by default. It was a line that nearly got Cutler killed and helped contribute to the disastrous stretch by Caleb Hanie that ruined the promising 2011 season.

 

You can argue it in both directions. Did Angelo deliver talented players to Smith, only for them to struggle under his watch and fail to develop into reliable starters? It's always hard to tell, but I don't think that's the case. Williams was ruined by injuries, as was an earlier Angelo first-round pick at tackle, Marc Colombo. The spare parts that came in through free agency haven't been any great shakes elsewhere, and the likes of Webb and Louis aren't supposed to be key contributors to an NFL team. Emery might do a better job of delivering offensive line talent to whoever the next coach is, but I don't think Smith could've done much more with what he had. With Brian Urlacher hitting free agency and the rest of Chicago's defensive core looking very old these days, this could be the start of a rebuilding project in Chicago, even if Emery suggests otherwise.

[Banedon]

GB reporter talking about Clements on ESPN 1000 now. Says Clements is very cerebral and even keeled. Saying that he'd help Jay immensely, and talking about his success with developing QB's.

 

He's downplaying the "playcalling" aspect of it, saying he doesn't think that it's really much of a factor. Did say that Clements isn't a big fan of dealing with the media, and that could hurt his chances with the Bears based on Emery's list of requirements.

[Guest]

I believe that they would've fired him unless a deep playoff run made it impossible. Maybe a playoff appearance would've been enough, but I doubt it.

 

Either way, that's a lot different than saying he was fired based on a bad game by Tramon Williams.

[Guest]

@RapSheet

#Bears are 1st team to put in an interview request for #Colts OC Bruce Arians, I'm told. Won't be the last. #Chargers among those interested

[Banedon]

@RapSheet

#Bears are 1st team to put in an interview request for #Colts OC Bruce Arians, I'm told. Won't be the last. #Chargers among those interested

 

Wise move.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

@RapSheet

#Bears are 1st team to put in an interview request for #Colts OC Bruce Arians, I'm told. Won't be the last. #Chargers among those interested

Well we seem to be leaving no stone unturned with all of these requests. Hopefully all of the candidates feel about the bears job the way NFL fans and media do--that it is the best job on the market.

[Magnetic Curses]

@RapSheet

#Bears are 1st team to put in an interview request for #Colts OC Bruce Arians, I'm told. Won't be the last. #Chargers among those interested

 

Wise move.

 

arians is 60, though, and i'm not a huge fan of his offenses.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because why not, Bill Barnwell analyzes the Lovie Smith firing:

 

Making decisions based on what happened in Week 17 one day afterward is rash.

 

 

Instead, the perpetual problem in Chicago is their grotesque offensive line, a grouping that has been among the league's worst for nearly a half-decade by now.

 

Two things, it's idiocy to claim the decision was based on what happened in week 17. You can't ignore Emery's statement about how they've never been even above average in Lovie's tenure.

 

Also, a huge part of the reason why the offensive line has sucked is because Lovie's demands for positional triage in determining draft picks meant an over abundance of picks spent on DTs and DBs who did very little. Plus, the amount of the budget dedicated to LB, plus the number of picks spent on finding the third and fourth LB meant they paid as much, or more attention to that 2/3 man group than the 5 man group of offensive line.

[JonJayCutler]

Yeah, I can't imagine that getting in the playoffs but getting trashed in SF again would have screamed at Emery to keep Lovie.

[Butterscup1679666578]

This does a good job of summing up why I want McCoy

 

http://sulia.com/c/chicago-bears/f/14c4af28-1051-42f7-97f8-5133b41af27a/?source=twitter