Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[KingCubsFan]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

And then made Thomas a top 5 wr this year after a lost year of development. Id love him with a realky athletic TE and Jeffery. Not to mention a better pass catching Rb than McGahee.

I think there's only one man responsible for making Thomas a top 5 WR, and his name is not McCoy.

[RynoRules]

Come on, 58 isn't that old. The lure of Clements' success with Favre and Rodgers is too strong -- he's my top choice.

 

I agree it isn't that old, and even successful coaches will leave an organization after a few years, so it's not as though we should manate a ten year run out of anyone. That said, I'd rather try to capture that lightning similar to what NO andmGB did with Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy.

[Soul]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

And then made Thomas a top 5 wr this year after a lost year of development. Id love him with a realky athletic TE and Jeffery. Not to mention a better pass catching Rb than McGahee.

I think there's only one man responsible for making Thomas a top 5 WR, and his name is not McCoy.

 

FWIW, Manning gives McCoy plenty of credit for their success in Denver.

[KingCubsFan]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

And then made Thomas a top 5 wr this year after a lost year of development. Id love him with a realky athletic TE and Jeffery. Not to mention a better pass catching Rb than McGahee.

I think there's only one man responsible for making Thomas a top 5 WR, and his name is not McCoy.

 

FWIW, Manning gives McCoy plenty of credit for their success in Denver.

Of course he does. I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise. And I'm not saying McCoy isn't a good offensive mind, or that he didn't have any influence on the success of the Broncos' offense this year. But it was clearly Manning's show, and he deserves the bulk of the credit for this year's performance of their top players. I think the best piece of evidence for McCoy is is his work with Orton when he threw for 4,000+ yards.

[ConstableRabbit]

This does a good job of summing up why I want McCoy

 

http://sulia.com/c/chicago-bears/f/14c4af28-1051-42f7-97f8-5133b41af27a/?source=twitter

Wow -- that's all the right stuff.

[davell]

I think I'll be happy with any of McCoy, Clements, Carmichael, Dennison, or Arians. Pretty solid group.

[Banedon]

Arians interview scheduled for sometime next week per Dan Pompei.

[rawaction]

I love what McCoy did with Denver last year with Tebow, that's the greatest example of taking what has been given to you and maximizing what you have. Give me McCoy at HC and Hazell as OC and I'd be content.

 

I don't know enough about Clements, his bio is somewhat extensive having been a QB coach for the majority of it with 3 years of C experience.

And then made Thomas a top 5 wr this year after a lost year of development. Id love him with a realky athletic TE and Jeffery. Not to mention a better pass catching Rb than McGahee.

I think there's only one man responsible for making Thomas a top 5 WR, and his name is not McCoy.

 

FWIW, Manning gives McCoy plenty of credit for their success in Denver.

Of course he does. I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise. And I'm not saying McCoy isn't a good offensive mind, or that he didn't have any influence on the success of the Broncos' offense this year. But it was clearly Manning's show, and he deserves the bulk of the credit for this year's performance of their top players. I think the best piece of evidence for McCoy is is his work with Orton when he threw for 4,000+ yards.

 

Manning is not a God. He still needs coached. And even if he doesn't, everyone else on the offense does. And this wasnt Manning's offense from the Colts. He had to learn a new system too. The common denominator between Orton, Tebow and Manning is McCoy. 3 completely different levels of talent. 3 successful offenses.

[UMFan83]

I like the idea of Bruce Arians mainly because he won a Super Bowl as the OC with a poor offensive line. The stuff he did this year was nice too.

[Sammy Sofa]

The common denominator between Orton, Tebow and Manning is McCoy. 3 completely different levels of talent. 3 successful offenses.

 

Yeah, that's he had so much success with such varied QB's is really impressive. He's definitely my #1.

[Magnetic Curses]

This does a good job of summing up why I want McCoy

 

http://sulia.com/c/chicago-bears/f/14c4af28-1051-42f7-97f8-5133b41af27a/?source=twitter

 

my problem with that kind of ideology is that sometimes you need to force people to develop. cutler can do all the crap that tice wanted him to do, too. that wasn't the problem.

[mul21]

This does a good job of summing up why I want McCoy

 

http://sulia.com/c/chicago-bears/f/14c4af28-1051-42f7-97f8-5133b41af27a/?source=twitter

 

my problem with that kind of ideology is that sometimes you need to force people to develop. cutler can do all the crap that tice wanted him to do, too. that wasn't the problem.

 

I get the impression that he's not a buffoon like Tice, so that may help.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm not comparing him to tice, just using him as an example.

[UMFan83]

The common denominator between Orton, Tebow and Manning is McCoy. 3 completely different levels of talent. 3 successful offenses.

 

Yeah, that's he had so much success with such varied QB's is really impressive. He's definitely my #1.

 

To illustrate how different the offense was over the 3 years...

 

2012 (Manning):

Total Yards - 4th

Passing Yards - 5th

Rushing Yards - 16th

 

2011 (Orton/Mostly Tebow)

Total Yards - 23rd

Passing Yards - 31st

Rushing Yards - 1st

 

2010 (Orton mostly)

Total Yards - 13th

Passing Yards - 7th

Rushing Yards - 26th

 

He turned the 26th ranked rushing offense into the best rushing offense when given a QB with a limited arm, and then back into a top passing offense the next year.

[Soul]

I'm with davell -- there seems to be a solid group of candidates. Either Emery is just fortunate, or he's pretty good at this.

 

Maybe a little of both.

[mul21]

i'm not comparing him to tice, just using him as an example.

 

I'm not either, simply saying that having some good things said about you by Manning may build him a little good will with Cutler and make him a bit more willing to listen to what he has to say.

[Magnetic Curses]

carmichael has the backing of brees and the new orleans pedigree. he's called the plays and been successful doing it, so much that payton himself relinquished play-calling duties to the guy. he's had continued success in the same type of high-octane passing offense.

 

i'm talking myself into carmichael, i think i'm about even with him and clements, with clements being there because his departure would ding green bay. and aso maybe because of my belief that rodgers and cutler are two sides of the same coin.

[mul21]

carmichael has the backing of brees and the new orleans pedigree. he's called the plays and been successful doing it, so much that payton himself relinquished play-calling duties to the guy. he's had continued success in the same type of high-octane passing offense.

 

i'm talking myself into carmichael, i think i'm about even with him and clements, with clements being there because his departure would ding green bay. and aso maybe because of my belief that rodgers and cutler are two sides of the same coin.

 

Now that's an angle I hadn't considered and very possibly a great point in his favor.

[Wilson A2000]

Can you really give McCoy much credit for Tebow? Tebow's defense won pretty much every game for them. McCoy did so much for Tebow that Tim was the worst rated passer in the league last year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Can you really give McCoy much credit for Tebow? Tebow's defense won pretty much every game for them. McCoy did so much for Tebow that Tim was the worst rated passer in the league last year.

 

As posted on this very page:

 

2012 (Manning):

Total Yards - 4th

Passing Yards - 5th

Rushing Yards - 16th

 

2011 (Orton/Mostly Tebow)

Total Yards - 23rd

Passing Yards - 31st

Rushing Yards - 1st

 

2010 (Orton mostly)

Total Yards - 13th

Passing Yards - 7th

Rushing Yards - 26th

 

Nobody is saying anything like "oh, he made Tebow good;" he managed to work with a dramatic (and most would argue largely detrimental) change to the offense. It shows that he's adaptable.

[Soul]

The Jets couldn't even figure out how to get Tebow on the field in a meaningful capacity. McCoy won with him as a starter.

 

Think about that.

 

Tebow could easily have blown a lot of those great Denver defensive efforts with a worse coach/scheme.

[Wilson A2000]

Can you really give McCoy much credit for Tebow? Tebow's defense won pretty much every game for them. McCoy did so much for Tebow that Tim was the worst rated passer in the league last year.

 

As posted on this very page:

 

2012 (Manning):

Total Yards - 4th

Passing Yards - 5th

Rushing Yards - 16th

 

2011 (Orton/Mostly Tebow)

Total Yards - 23rd

Passing Yards - 31st

Rushing Yards - 1st

 

2010 (Orton mostly)

Total Yards - 13th

Passing Yards - 7th

Rushing Yards - 26th

 

Nobody is saying anything like "oh, he made Tebow good;" he managed to work with a dramatic (and most would argue largely detrimental) change to the offense. It shows that he's adaptable.

 

Adaptable to a totally different style of offense that the Bears will never play. With that said, I would have died for the 23rd rated offense this year in yards.

[Sammy Sofa]

Can you really give McCoy much credit for Tebow? Tebow's defense won pretty much every game for them. McCoy did so much for Tebow that Tim was the worst rated passer in the league last year.

 

As posted on this very page:

 

2012 (Manning):

Total Yards - 4th

Passing Yards - 5th

Rushing Yards - 16th

 

2011 (Orton/Mostly Tebow)

Total Yards - 23rd

Passing Yards - 31st

Rushing Yards - 1st

 

2010 (Orton mostly)

Total Yards - 13th

Passing Yards - 7th

Rushing Yards - 26th

 

Nobody is saying anything like "oh, he made Tebow good;" he managed to work with a dramatic (and most would argue largely detrimental) change to the offense. It shows that he's adaptable.

 

Adaptable to a totally different style of offense that the Bears will never play.

 

So what? In three season he had to work with three wildly different QB's (one of which was a former Bear and one you really, really, really hope that the Bears' current QB can be anything like given his ability) and managed to succeed.

[cubbyvirus00]

Yeah McCoy is the clear #1 choice for me followed by Arians and then Clements.

 

The only concern with Arians I have, is that he's an old coach with less in the tank then a younger guy like McCoy.

[Banedon]

Adaptable to a totally different style of offense that the Bears will never play. With that said, I would have died for the 23rd rated offense this year in yards.

 

How in the world can you possibly say what style of offense the Bears will play in the future?