Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Rex Buckingham]

I think Forte is a zone scheme RB too. He's best when he can make 1 read, 1 cut and get up the field. Instead of the current scheme that requires him to hit the line and run thru a designed hole inside.

 

Good point. If Dennison were to bring the same zone scheme to Chicago, though, the Bears likely would be able to move away from Forte once it became financially worth it to do so. Other than Portis, I'm not sure Shanahan has ever had a "great" back, but he always has a really good run game. And while I think Arian is a talented back, he's not nearly as good as he's been in Houston.

With that scheme, you can go cheap at RB and still be productive, opening you up to spending more money elsewhere.

 

I think that even though his was short-lived success, the degree of success that Terrell Davis had would lead me to consider him a "great" back. He averaged over 1600 yards per year (including a 2,008 yard season), 4.75+ per carry on 330+ carries per year before his knee exploded. The caveats of him playing with Elway and some pretty talented receivers apply, but I think it's enough to consider him a "great" back.

[dew1679666265]

I think that even though his was short-lived success, the degree of success that Terrell Davis had would lead me to consider him a "great" back. He averaged over 1600 yards per year (including a 2,008 yard season), 4.75+ per carry on 330+ carries per year before his knee exploded. The caveats of him playing with Elway and some pretty talented receivers apply, but I think it's enough to consider him a "great" back.

 

He definitely had great production, but my point was that evidence points to it at least partially being a product of the system. I don't doubt that TD was a very talented back, bu much like I said earlier about Arian Foster, I don't think he was as good as the numbers. I think Shanahan's zone blocking scheme that has turned duds (Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Alfred Morris, etc) into highly productive backs made a good running back great with TD.

 

That was my point.

[UMFan83]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

[Rex Buckingham]

I think that even though his was short-lived success, the degree of success that Terrell Davis had would lead me to consider him a "great" back. He averaged over 1600 yards per year (including a 2,008 yard season), 4.75+ per carry on 330+ carries per year before his knee exploded. The caveats of him playing with Elway and some pretty talented receivers apply, but I think it's enough to consider him a "great" back.

 

He definitely had great production, but my point was that evidence points to it at least partially being a product of the system. I don't doubt that TD was a very talented back, bu much like I said earlier about Arian Foster, I don't think he was as good as the numbers. I think Shanahan's zone blocking scheme that has turned duds (Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Alfred Morris, etc) into highly productive backs made a good running back great with TD.

 

That was my point.

 

OK, that makes a lot of sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

 

Have you noticed a lot of news about the other interviews? I've only heard blurbs about whether or not they happened.

[Banedon]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-bears-meet-mccoy-195411097--nfl.html

[UMFan83]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

 

Have you noticed a lot of news about the other interviews? I've only heard blurbs about whether or not they happened.

 

Well we heard about the one that went 6 hours instead of 3. McCoy is possibly the highest profile candidate so I thought we'd hear some sort of reaction from a beat writer.

[Soul]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

 

Have you noticed a lot of news about the other interviews? I've only heard blurbs about whether or not they happened.

 

Well we heard about the one that went 6 hours instead of 3. McCoy is possibly the highest profile candidate so I thought we'd hear some sort of reaction from a beat writer.

 

I'd like to hear any reaction, of course, but since these are presumably closed door interviews, someone in the room would have to leak something. I assume Emery is going to keep his own reactions close, since he has said he doesn't want to exclude anyone. At least not yet. Also, Clements & McCoy still have a chance to be in the Super Bowl. If they do, a 2nd interview can't happen until after the conference championships.

 

Here's a Biggs article on what lays ahead this week in the search:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-06/sports/ct-spt-0107-bears-chicago--20130107_1_offensive-coordinator-phil-emery-bruce-arians

[Guest]

I think that even though his was short-lived success, the degree of success that Terrell Davis had would lead me to consider him a "great" back. He averaged over 1600 yards per year (including a 2,008 yard season), 4.75+ per carry on 330+ carries per year before his knee exploded. The caveats of him playing with Elway and some pretty talented receivers apply, but I think it's enough to consider him a "great" back.

 

He definitely had great production, but my point was that evidence points to it at least partially being a product of the system. I don't doubt that TD was a very talented back, bu much like I said earlier about Arian Foster, I don't think he was as good as the numbers. I think Shanahan's zone blocking scheme that has turned duds (Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Alfred Morris, etc) into highly productive backs made a good running back great with TD.

 

That was my point.

 

Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick, which falls in line with every other name listed here. Late round flyer/undrafted players who provide first round production in Shanahan's schemes.

[dew1679666265]

Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick, which falls in line with every other name listed here. Late round flyer/undrafted players who provide first round production in Shanahan's schemes.

 

Huh, forgot he was taken that low.

[rawaction]

Wasn't McCoy's interview supposed to be yesterday? I don't see any news about it.

 

Have you noticed a lot of news about the other interviews? I've only heard blurbs about whether or not they happened.

 

Well we heard about the one that went 6 hours instead of 3. McCoy is possibly the highest profile candidate so I thought we'd hear some sort of reaction from a beat writer.

McCoy was on a strict schedule so his interview couldnt go long. That's really all weve heard is the length of the one interview.

[jersey cubs fan]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs

#Bears sign QB Matt Blanchard and WR Terrence Toliver to reserve/future contracts.

 

championship

[cubbyvirus00]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs

#Bears sign QB Matt Blanchard and WR Terrence Toliver to reserve/future contracts.

 

championship

 

=D> =D>

[Guest]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs

#Bears sign QB Matt Blanchard and WR Terrence Toliver to reserve/future contracts.

 

championship

grrrrrrr

[jersey cubs fan]

is that your Bear growl?

[Omar]

When he's pissed (and not saying he doesnt have the right to be at times) he can sometimes come off as a dick.

 

How is this not nearly every player/coach in the history of sports ever?

 

Except Lovie Smith.

[Banedon]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

[Sammy Sofa]

When he's pissed (and not saying he doesnt have the right to be at times) he can sometimes come off as a dick.

 

How is this not nearly every player/coach in the history of sports ever?

 

Except Lovie Smith.

 

Hence the "nearly."

[jersey cubs fan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

 

Part of me has been thinking Emery is gathering league-wide opinion on Cutler. If he asks everybody, "can you win with Cutler?" Or "what would you need to have to win with Cutler" he can have a better understanding of the potential market for Cutler next offseason or justify his own feelings about the future with Cutler.

[Soul]

Brad Biggs ‏@BradBiggs

#Bears sign QB Matt Blanchard and WR Terrence Toliver to reserve/future contracts.

 

championship

grrrrrrr

 

Hehe. Saw jersey's post and immediately thought of you.

[Soul]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

 

Look at the picture they have of Emery in that [expletive] article. LOL.

[Banedon]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

 

Look at the picture they have of Emery in that [expletive] article. LOL.

 

PFT does choose good pics, I'll give em that.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

I just can't see Emery being that sneaky. I think he just completely embraces his scout background and believes that if he goes the extra mile searching for a coach/prospect he is going to find a diamond in the rough that he can discover. This worries me a little in that I could see an unqualified candidate getting the job based on a good interview, but I suppose he should get the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Magnetic Curses]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

 

i think it would be hilarious if emery announced he was going to coach the team himself after interviewing 20 candidates.

[WrigleyField 22]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

Per a league source, some teams believe the Bears and Eagles are employing the Al Davis approach to interviewing coaching candidates. Davis was notorious for using a head-coaching vacancy as cover for bringing in assistant coaches from other teams and picking their brains, all under the guise of possibly hiring them.

I just can't see Emery being that sneaky. I think he just completely embraces his scout background and believes that if he goes the extra mile searching for a coach/prospect he is going to find a diamond in the rough that he can discover. This worries me a little in that I could see an unqualified candidate getting the job based on a good interview, but I suppose he should get the benefit of the doubt for now.

From what I've gathered that's not him at all. I don't think I can look at his moves and see evidence of that based on his moves, granted it isn't a huge sample yet.

 

There's also a couple excerpts on him in "War Room" and he comes off as very pragmatic, IMO.

 

There is probably some truth to the fact he will be an info junkie, but not to the extent that he undermines the process trying to find a diamond in the rough.

 

 

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