Bears Offseason Thread (Trestman new HC, pg 37)

[Banedon]

You don't think the first drive fumble vs the Vikings was lackadaisical?

 

Well [expletive], every QB has had a bad fumble or two if that's all we're talking about.

 

Cutler had 8 fumbles. RG3 had 12. I wonder if RG3 is considered lackadaisical in the pocket?

[USSoccer]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

[Sammy Sofa]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

Cutler has obvious flaws, but Boomer was mostly just meatballin' and barely touched on any of them. The main thing he was trying to get across was "HUR DUR, CUTLER IS NOT LEADER."

[USSoccer]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

Cutler has obvious flaws, but Boomer was mostly just meatballin' and barely touched on any of them. The main thing he was trying to get across was "HUR DUR, CUTLER IS NOT LEADER."

 

No doubt. That's why he deserves all the shade that can be thrown.

[Sammy Sofa]

Strike that "barely;" he didn't touch on ANY of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

You don't think the first drive fumble vs the Vikings was lackadaisical?

 

Well [expletive], every QB has had a bad fumble or two if that's all we're talking about.

 

Cutler had 8 fumbles. RG3 had 12. I wonder if RG3 is considered lackadaisical in the pocket?

 

But RGIII willed his 10-6 team to the playoffs, Cutler did not.

 

Similarly, Andrew Luck's 10 fumbles are meaningless when you consider how he "specialed" his team to 11 wins.

[scarey]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Boomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

Edited January 4, 2013 by scarey

[UK1679666180]

I expect the Bears to bring in a cheap veteran backup and then draft a guy this year. Probably not until very late in the draft, but teams have shown they can get by a couple games at a time while developing a QB.

 

Matt Scott on day 3 would work for me.

I like the Qb from Duke, Renfree.

 

I like Brown at Illinois St and Sorensen at Southern Utah better than both.

 

I would rank them in order:

 

Sorensen

Brown

Scott

Renfree

[Guest]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Coomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

Why is our crappy 3B/1B from 2001 offering opinions on NFL quarterbacks?

[SpongeWorthy]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Boomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

He hamstrings his own ability to move around in the pocket and make/extend plays by sitting on his heels. It's a problem that I hope any coach that comes in can help clean up.

[Magnetic Curses]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Boomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

He hamstrings his own ability to move around in the pocket and make/extend plays by sitting on his heels. It's a problem that I hope any coach that comes in can help clean up.

 

i don't think that's accurate at all. he extends plays as well as any QB in the league and he throws from his heels so often because if he didn't he'd have a smashed-in face.

[SpongeWorthy]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Boomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

He hamstrings his own ability to move around in the pocket and make/extend plays by sitting on his heels. It's a problem that I hope any coach that comes in can help clean up.

 

i don't think that's accurate at all. he extends plays as well as any QB in the league and he throws from his heels so often because if he didn't he'd have a smashed-in face.

 

When he gets on the perimeter he's good. His movement within the pocket to get himself good throwing lanes is below average, IMO. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben are very good at it.

[Banedon]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Boomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

He hamstrings his own ability to move around in the pocket and make/extend plays by sitting on his heels. It's a problem that I hope any coach that comes in can help clean up.

 

i don't think that's accurate at all. he extends plays as well as any QB in the league and he throws from his heels so often because if he didn't he'd have a smashed-in face.

 

When he gets on the perimeter he's good. His movement within the pocket to get himself good throwing lanes is below average, IMO. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Big Ben are very good at it.

 

Yes, the best QB's in the league are very good at playing quarterback. I agree.

 

Cutler moves around in the pocket very well, as was pointed out by the crappy announcers during the Lions game. It's hard to find passing lanes when all of your receivers are covered, and your O-line is scrambling against a bullrush.

[Magnetic Curses]

think he's about average at finding throwing lanes, his problem is making the decision to throw instead of taking a sack or throwing it away.

[SpongeWorthy]

 

Yes, the best QB's in the league are very good at playing quarterback. I agree.

 

Cutler moves around in the pocket very well, as was pointed out by the crappy announcers during the Lions game. It's hard to find passing lanes when all of your receivers are covered, and your O-line is scrambling against a bullrush.

 

Acknowledging that the protection and receiving talent is crappy and saying Cutler needs to improve on facets of his game aren't mutually exclusive concepts. You can bet any offense/QB inclined coach we bring in is gonna work on Cutler's fundamentals and footwork.

 

He has a lot of the signs of a guy who has played with crappy players around him dating back to Vandy. Kinda like a running back who never has anyone to block for him and doesn't know how to set up his blockers once he finally does.

[Banedon]

 

Yes, the best QB's in the league are very good at playing quarterback. I agree.

 

Cutler moves around in the pocket very well, as was pointed out by the crappy announcers during the Lions game. It's hard to find passing lanes when all of your receivers are covered, and your O-line is scrambling against a bullrush.

 

Acknowledging that the protection and receiving talent is crappy and saying Cutler needs to improve on facets of his game aren't mutually exclusive concepts. You can bet any offense/QB inclined coach we bring in is gonna work on Cutler's fundamentals and footwork.

 

He has a lot of the signs of a guy who has played with crappy players around him dating back to Vandy. Kinda like a running back who never has anyone to block for him and doesn't know how to set up his blockers once he finally does.

 

Sure, he can work on fundamentals. And I'm not saying he's perfect. But I bet that working on his fundamentals is a lot less important to him than working on his survival in these past 4 years. I think getting a real offensive system in place, with strong, creative coaching will do a lot more to improve Cutler's performance than any footwork drills will.

[Magnetic Curses]

also, for most of his career, he hasn't had anyone that could get open.

 

he'll run and run and run around in the backfield, making time for his receivers, then he'll set his feet and throw downfield, and there's hester running stride for stride with the safety when greg jennings, jordy nelson, or randall cobb would all be about 5 yards behind the defense.

[rawaction]

I expect the Bears to bring in a cheap veteran backup and then draft a guy this year. Probably not until very late in the draft, but teams have shown they can get by a couple games at a time while developing a QB.

 

Matt Scott on day 3 would work for me.

I like the Qb from Duke, Renfree.

 

I like Brown at Illinois St and Sorensen at Southern Utah better than both.

 

I would rank them in order:

 

Sorensen

Brown

Scott

Renfree

 

I like all 4 and would be happy with any. Renfree reminds me of Cutler in the sense that he went to a good school in a major conference but on a crappy team with little talent around him. But he has a good arm and underrated mobility.

[scarey]

While in general Esiason is an idiot and deserves to be mocked for these comments, Cutler doesn't have the greatest footwork. I think his early game tendencies to overthrow receivers and take a bit to dial in have something to do with this.

 

I disagree. I think Cutler has pretty good footwork. He vastly improved his footwork coming into the 2011 season. Hell, Moose Johnston was commenting on how well Cutler was moving in the pocket against the Lions. Just because he will throw off his back foot doesn't mean he doesn't have good footwork. It just means he throws off his back foot... and he's pretty damn good at it.

 

I think the only reason Esiason mentions Cutler's footwork is because prior to 2011, it was the go to criticism on Cutler. That and his "bad attitude". Coomer is just regurgitating what he's heard before because he's not good at his job.

 

Why is our crappy 3B/1B from 2001 offering opinions on NFL quarterbacks?

 

 

Because, as you pointed out, he's not good at his job. It's clear as day.

 

 

Thought I got away with one there.

[cubbyvirus00]

It makes me cringe hearing the national media break down the Bears. Especially anybody from CBS or ESPN.

[SpongeWorthy]

It makes me cringe hearing the national media break down the Bears. Especially anybody from CBS or ESPN.

 

Yeah, the lack of irrelevant sidebars about Shea McClellin really grinds my gears too.

[rawaction]

I agree with Sponge here. Cutler does not have the best pocket movement. He doesn't have that ability like Marino and Brady to just take a step in either direction to give himself a better look at the field, the defense, and to get a better angle to make a more accurate throw. But he does do as much as anyone (not named Romo) at buying time in the pocket. I think part of it is his dropback. He kinda stays laterally to the line of scrimmage and doesn't really turn his shoulders to have a blindside. So, he doesn't have to sidestep as much because he stays pretty square. And it's not like he gets a bunch of balls batted down at the time or anything, but there are times where I'd like to see him take a step to either side rather than changing his arm angle (which he is very good at doing) to get the ball to his receiver.

 

Bad news is I think the last 4 years in Chicago has ruined any chance Cutler has to be this great mechanical QB. He's always going to be a little more wary than he should be about the pass rush coming at him. Good news is, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. He's good enough at what he does to clearly win several games and to be very productive. So, I don't know that a new coach will focus too much on fundamentals, maybe at OTAs or something. But it's not going to be something to worry about during the season and it's not going to prevent Cutler from running any play in anyone's playbook that exists.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Zach Zaidman ‏@ZachZaidman

 

RT @MikeGarafolo: Sounds like Mike Sullivan and Bears had very good meeting the other day. Went six hours, about twice as long as expected.

[rawaction]

Apparently the interview with Mike Sullivan (Tampa OC) went for 6 hours. It was expected to be 3.

 

I really don't want him. Only 1 year as an OC, and that was this past year. Freeman had a nice stretch of football from Week 4 to the first Atlanta game, but was terrible down the stretch, including back-to-back 4 INT games. Was QB coach for Eli Manning...the year he led the league in INTs in 2010.

 

I hope Emery shoots a lot higher than this as it's the only interview Sullivan has had or will have, I believe. I do worry that they have similar military backgrounds. Sullivan was an Army Ranger. Emery was in the Navy. Hopefully they were just shooting the [expletive] about wars or something. Because this would be the same type of "aim low" hiring that we all thought Emery was last year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, this would be a huge letdown with all of the quality names out there.