Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I kind of worry ("worry" is probably the wrong word) that the huge amount of smoke late Wednesday and yesterday, including rumors that the Cubs had asked for best and final offers, were all a part of a planned leak, designed to pressure the various teams in discussions to amp things up quickly ... rather than being reflective of an actual amping up by those teams.

 

 

I'm not worried at all, but I found this a bit strange that he was seemingly pressing teams to come with their final offers. Next thing you know he'll be asking for a posting fee just to negotiate a trade. Then again, maybe this is how it normally works but I wouldn't know because we've never been on this side of this in demand of a commidity on the trade block.

[CP_414]

Did anyone report the Cubs were asking for final offers except for that inside MLB guy on twitter who is wrong 99% of the time?

[davell]

If a deal was close, my honest is that Jed and his wife having a kid put everything on hold for a few days.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Hendry did deals in the middle of open heart surgery, Jed can step away from fetching his wife ice cubes long enough to get something done.

[ScrubMD]

Whatsamatter Jed, you too good to finish a deal cause your kid was just born? The baby come outta your vagina or sumthin?

[Brett]

Did anyone report the Cubs were asking for final offers except for that inside MLB guy on twitter who is wrong 99% of the time?

 

Two sources (independently and prior to that guy tweeting) told me the Cubs were pushing teams to start putting together their best offers as of Wednesday night, but there was no timeline attached. In other words, there wasn't a whole lot of "meat" there. And, "put together your best offer" can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people.

[RynoRules]

Re the Tigers rumor, if you could only have one, would you take Turner or Castellanos. From a very simplistic point of view, aren't elite-potential 3B's harder to find?

[davell]

In Morosi's latest article, saying Detroit has entered the picture, doesn't paint a good picture at all regarding anyone else. Says Toronto has made no movement recently, New York is worried about luxury tax implications, and Boston hasn't talked to them in a while.

[RammyFanny]

Re the Tigers rumor, if you could only have one, would you take Turner or Castellanos. From a very simplistic point of view, aren't elite-potential 3B's harder to find?

I don't know if you could say Castellanos is "elite," even potentially, yet. He had a solid season in A-ball, but the numbers don't jump out at you by any means. He could be, but i'd be inclined to take the guy (Turner) who's put up numbers at high levels at a young age.

 

The simple solution: give us both or nosoupforyou.

[El Duderino]

Rotoworld says Tigers didn't want to give up Turner or Castellanos for Gio.

[davell]

Re the Tigers rumor, if you could only have one, would you take Turner or Castellanos. From a very simplistic point of view, aren't elite-potential 3B's harder to find?

I'd take Turner and not think twice. Elite 3B are very hard to find, but Castellanos is still a very long way away. Plus, we at least have Vitters, Lake, and Candelario(much further away). Future 1/2 pitchers in our organization? Maybe Maples and Wells? If not, we don't have one most likely, unless it's McNutt.

[davell]

Rotoworld says Tigers didn't want to give up Turner or Castellanos for Gio.

I thought they didn't want to give up the pair. I thought Turner was firmly in play. If that's the case though, they're wasting teams time basically. Because other than Porcello(lost some luster) they don't have anything close to a guy that's a headliner for a TOR starter.

[Derwood]

According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com, the Tigers have emerged as a suitor for Cubs' right-hander Matt Garza.

The Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox have also been mentioned in recent days, but Morosi hears that the Tigers have quietly pursued starting pitchers throughout the offseason. They were involved in talks with the A's for left-hander Gio Gonzalez, but refused to give up third base prospect Nick Castellanos along with prospect right-hander Jacob Turner. It's unlikely they'll have to pay as hefty a price for Garza, who is only under team control for the next two seasons.

[davell]

Without Castellanos involved, give me Turner and Smyly, with a couple of upside guys. Benny Paulino and Danry Vazquez look like they have bigtime potential. Daniel Fields maybe?

[davell]

Actually, I forgot about Casey Crosby. Send us Turner/Crosby/Smyly/one of Fields or Vazquez and get this thing over with.

[sneakypower]

their rotation's set with Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello, Turner, so i wouldn't much understand the Tigers having serious interest in Garza, but refusing to part with Turner, unless of course it's Porcello they want to leverage (doubtful)

[davell]

Turner will be 21 next year and certainly struggled in 2 of his 3 big league starts. He needs a full year of AAA. I think he's on the table for sure in a deal for Garza. It'd be great if we could somehow find a way to get Porcello as well. Not thinking that can realistically happen though. On a different note though, I saw someone bring it up on PSD and it makes sense: it may be really hard for these sabermetrically inclined GM's to put a deal together. Toronto, Texas, and Boston probably value things the same way we do and it may very well be harder to get them to come up in price. Cashman could very well be included in this as well.

[82TonyM]

their rotation's set with Verlander, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello, Turner, so i wouldn't much understand the Tigers having serious interest in Garza, but refusing to part with Turner, unless of course it's Porcello they want to leverage (doubtful)

 

Short term upgrade from Turner to Garza to try and win in 2012 and 2013

[davell]

That MLBInsider guy on Twitter just posted High ranking Cubs official says it's likely we'll accept Detroit offer soon. Probably not anything, but who knows?

[A New Era]

That MLBInsider guy on Twitter just posted High ranking Cubs official says it's likely we'll accept Detroit offer soon. Probably not anything, but who knows?

 

He probably just read the Morosi article and figures he'll take a stab at prediction and if it turns out, try to make it seem like he has actual sources.

[CP_414]

That MLBInsider guy on Twitter just posted High ranking Cubs official says it's likely we'll accept Detroit offer soon. Probably not anything, but who knows?

 

He probably just read the Morosi article and figures he'll take a stab at prediction and if it turns out, try to make it seem like he has actual sources.

 

 

Exactly. He said it would be done by Tuesday of last week. Then he said Thursday was the day. He's just guessing. Whenever Garza does get traded he's going to claime he "broke" the news.

[Magnetic Curses]

Turner will be 21 next year and certainly struggled in 2 of his 3 big league starts. He needs a full year of AAA. I think he's on the table for sure in a deal for Garza. It'd be great if we could somehow find a way to get Porcello as well. Not thinking that can realistically happen though.

 

why not, two high end prospects for a guy that would slot in as the #2 in that rotation and be an ace of many others while still being under team control for 2 years? why are we undervaluing garza?

 

people are overthinking this compensation for garza, he's going to bring a lot, a lot.

Edited December 31, 2011 by Stannis

[Backtobanks]

That MLBInsider guy on Twitter just posted High ranking Cubs official says it's likely we'll accept Detroit offer soon. Probably not anything, but who knows?

 

He probably just read the Morosi article and figures he'll take a stab at prediction and if it turns out, try to make it seem like he has actual sources.

 

 

Exactly. He said it would be done by Tuesday of last week. Then he said Thursday was the day. He's just guessing. Whenever Garza does get traded he's going to claime he "broke" the news.

 

I can't imagine anything is going to happen over the holiday weekend. Theo & Jed will be out celebrating the juggernaut of a team they've assembled for 2012. :lol:

[Conky]

Turner will be 21 next year and certainly struggled in 2 of his 3 big league starts. He needs a full year of AAA. I think he's on the table for sure in a deal for Garza. It'd be great if we could somehow find a way to get Porcello as well. Not thinking that can realistically happen though.

 

why not, two high end prospects for a guy that would slot in as the #2 in that rotation and be an ace of many others while still being under team control for 2 years? why are we undervaluing garza?

 

people are overthinking this compensation for garza, he's going to bring a lot, a lot.

 

Exactly. He either brings back what you want or you don't move him. It's just that simple.

[Magnetic Curses]

Turner will be 21 next year and certainly struggled in 2 of his 3 big league starts. He needs a full year of AAA. I think he's on the table for sure in a deal for Garza. It'd be great if we could somehow find a way to get Porcello as well. Not thinking that can realistically happen though.

 

why not, two high end prospects for a guy that would slot in as the #2 in that rotation and be an ace of many others while still being under team control for 2 years? why are we undervaluing garza?

 

people are overthinking this compensation for garza, he's going to bring a lot, a lot.

 

Exactly. He either brings back what you want or you don't move him. It's just that simple.

 

correct, we'll just have to keep him on the team where he'll be our ace for the next 5 years. boo hoo.