Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[mookie]

I hate to even bring this up, but my honest guess at how our 1B issue plays out this year is this: We trade Cashner to San Diego for Rizzo. We put him in Iowa for half the year and give LaHair the job for half a season to try and build some trade value in him.

 

I say do it. I LOVE Cash, but there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding him right now. If we can get a pitcher heavy deal for Garza, then putting Rizzo at first would be a nice complimentary move.

[BeerHere]

I honestly don't see what everyone likes about Golden. He played last year in Boise at age 19 and his slugging was the same as the year prior .400. His OPS and OBP were both not great. He also showed up in the spring out of shape. I can understand the projection but he hasn't really shown anything to justify *any* hype IMO.

[Neuby]

After the Garza deal is gone I'm eagerly awaiting to see if Theo will find tickets out of town for

Z ,Alfonso, Byrd, Marmol, Soto, Dewitt, Baker

[chi-guy]

People like Golden because he was arguably the first sign of the change in philosophy within the scouting group as he was a pure athlete that had upside potential as opposed to the solid but unspectacular organization filler we'd been drafting the few years prior. Golden was essentially the precursor to last years draft of Baez, Vogelbach, Dunston, etc. Still, he'll need to make a leap this year to be able to keep up with the rest of the competition coming through the farm in the years to come.

 

As for Garza, I'm for any trade that gets us the most pitching. Bats are fun to watch and put people in the seats but pitching wins games and we just don't have enough of it (not that you ever could have too much). I'm in favor of any Toronto package that nets us 3-4 high end arms as that's where our focus needs to be. If we get a handful of the names that have been thrown around in this thread our system jumps from a 20ish ranking into the low teens IMO. 1st basemen can be found much easier than top of the rotation starters so that's what we need to be gathering. 2012 is a lost cause but we could be very close to been a team on the come as early as 2013 with waves of talent to follow in the years after.

 

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[Omar]

After the Garza deal is gone I'm eagerly awaiting to see if Theo will find tickets out of town for

Z ,Alfonso, Byrd, Marmol, Soto, Dewitt, Baker

 

Why Soto? Who would you replace him with?

[davell]

I think Soto is here until midseason or so. Just not a market for catchers currently. Maybe Tampa? If you could get Tampa to trade Niemann for Soto and Marmol gets sent to the Angels for Conger, I guess I could see it. But, my guess is Theo wants to keep Soto here for now, evaluate Castillo thoroughly, and see if he's a longterm answer for us. At the same time, letting Soto hopefully build his value some.

[Neuby]

Soto starts to get pricey after this year and Castillo is waiting in the wings. It's makes sense to sell high on Geo at some point before july 31st.

[chi-guy]

The Garza rumor mill has really picked up steam since Kaplan tweeted that talks were heating up and they involved the Blue Jays, Yankees, and Red Sox. Say what you will of Kaplan, but do you think he's essentially trying to get in Theo's good graces here by essentially being "used" to stir up the water on this front? It makes sense that Theo wants those three specific teams to feel like they're in an arms race to get Garza and thus his value increases. I'm all for the gamesmanship in play here if this is true but does the trade off of being the media arm/hype machine for the front office outweigh the loss of journalistic integrity of Mr. Kaplan here?

 

(insert Kaplan integrity jokes here...)

 

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[davell]

I think the Coco Crisp rumors are strictly there if we do trade Byrd. I guess we could get a DeRosa type package for him from someone.

[jersey cubs fan]

Soto starts to get pricey after this year and Castillo is waiting in the wings. It's makes sense to sell high on Geo at some point before july 31st.

 

Well you'd have to wait for a while and hope he improves quickly because looking for a deal anytime soon isn't going to be selling high.

[davell]

Bowden just tweeted the best landing spots in order for the Cubs as Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Texas, and the Yanks. If the Yanks are that low, I guess it's true Cashman isn't coming off his prospects whatsoever. Maybe Hal truly is going to run things completely differently than George did.

[Guest]

Bowden just tweeted the best landing spots in order for the Cubs as Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Texas, and the Yanks. If the Yanks are that low, I guess it's true Cashman isn't coming off his prospects whatsoever. Maybe Hal truly is going to run things completely differently than George did.

 

If he just said the best landing spots, that doesn't sound like he's reporting anything. Just seems like his opinion on fit.

 

There's no way Boston is offering the second best package or anything like that. They don't have the horses to keep up in this race.

[Backtobanks]

I hate to even bring this up, but my honest guess at how our 1B issue plays out this year is this: We trade Cashner to San Diego for Rizzo. We put him in Iowa for half the year and give LaHair the job for half a season to try and build some trade value in him.

 

I wonder if SD would do this deal:

Rizzo + Hudson for Marmol + Barney + $2million (2012) + $4million (2013).

 

Obviously SD would flip Marmol asap for prospects while getting younger and cheaper at 2B. Cubs would have a $5.5 million committment to Hudson in 2012 and a $2 million buyout in 2013.

[davell]

Bowden just tweeted the best landing spots in order for the Cubs as Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Texas, and the Yanks. If the Yanks are that low, I guess it's true Cashman isn't coming off his prospects whatsoever. Maybe Hal truly is going to run things completely differently than George did.

 

If he just said the best landing spots, that doesn't sound like he's reporting anything. Just seems like his opinion on fit.

 

There's no way Boston is offering the second best package or anything like that. They don't have the horses to keep up in this race.

I'm not a fan of what they've got to offer us, but it's because they don't have the pitching. If they're offering Middlebrooks/Kalish/Ranaudo, it's possible that's better than what some of these other teams are offering. If they offered us Matt Barnes as a PTBNL, Ranaudo, and one of Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, or Kalish, it'd be a solid package. Maybe Detroit isn't offering up much, other than Turner possibly? Because I certainly like the way they match up with us better than Boston does.

[davearm2]

I hate to even bring this up, but my honest guess at how our 1B issue plays out this year is this: We trade Cashner to San Diego for Rizzo. We put him in Iowa for half the year and give LaHair the job for half a season to try and build some trade value in him.

 

I wonder if SD would do this deal:

Rizzo + Hudson for Marmol + Barney + $2million (2012) + $4million (2013).

 

Obviously SD would flip Marmol asap for prospects while getting younger and cheaper at 2B. Cubs would have a $5.5 million committment to Hudson in 2012 and a $2 million buyout in 2013.

Or just leave Marmol and the cash out of it. SD's price for replacing an old, expensive 2B with a younger, cheaper one is Rizzo.

[TruffleShuffle]

barney for hudson and rizzo? they might bite on that if their management is comprised of abject morons.

[treebird]

I hate to even bring this up, but my honest guess at how our 1B issue plays out this year is this: We trade Cashner to San Diego for Rizzo. We put him in Iowa for half the year and give LaHair the job for half a season to try and build some trade value in him.

 

I wonder if SD would do this deal:

Rizzo + Hudson for Marmol + Barney + $2million (2012) + $4million (2013).

 

Obviously SD would flip Marmol asap for prospects while getting younger and cheaper at 2B. Cubs would have a $5.5 million committment to Hudson in 2012 and a $2 million buyout in 2013.

Or just leave Marmol and the cash out of it. SD's price for replacing an old, expensive 2B with a younger, cheaper one is Rizzo.

 

this has to be a typo or something, you really didn't just say rizzo and hudson for barney

[Little Slide Rooter]

barney for hudson and rizzo? they might bite on that if their management is comprised of abject morons.

 

Replace Barney with McNutt and Brett Jackson and they might consider it.

[KingCubsFan]

Bowden just tweeted the best landing spots in order for the Cubs as Toronto, Boston, Detroit, Texas, and the Yanks. If the Yanks are that low, I guess it's true Cashman isn't coming off his prospects whatsoever. Maybe Hal truly is going to run things completely differently than George did.

 

If he just said the best landing spots, that doesn't sound like he's reporting anything. Just seems like his opinion on fit.

 

There's no way Boston is offering the second best package or anything like that. They don't have the horses to keep up in this race.

I'm not a fan of what they've got to offer us, but it's because they don't have the pitching. If they're offering Middlebrooks/Kalish/Ranaudo, it's possible that's better than what some of these other teams are offering. If they offered us Matt Barnes as a PTBNL, Ranaudo, and one of Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, or Kalish, it'd be a solid package. Maybe Detroit isn't offering up much, other than Turner possibly? Because I certainly like the way they match up with us better than Boston does.

I'd rather have Turner than those guys (Lavarnway is the only intriguing one). Matt Barnes and Ranaudo both seem like Brownlie clones to me, Middlebrooks looks like he'll just be an average regular and Kalish is too much of a question mark.

[dew1679666265]

I hate to even bring this up, but my honest guess at how our 1B issue plays out this year is this: We trade Cashner to San Diego for Rizzo. We put him in Iowa for half the year and give LaHair the job for half a season to try and build some trade value in him.

 

Since we're not trying to win for at least 1, if not 2, years I see no reason to deal Cashner. Rizzo is interesting, but since we're going full rebuild mode we have the time to let Cashner work his way back into full health and see if he can be the TOR guy we've had him pegged as.

[dew1679666265]

After the Garza deal is gone I'm eagerly awaiting to see if Theo will find tickets out of town for

Z ,Alfonso, Byrd, Marmol, Soto, Dewitt, Baker

 

Why Soto? Who would you replace him with?

 

Why - Because he's nearly 30, a catcher, and we appear to be going into 1-2 year full rebuild mode. He'll likely be in major decline by the time we're ready to compete again.

 

Who do you replace him with - Probably Castillo, but it doesn't really matter. We're going to be bad next year and Soto isn't going change that alone.

 

That said, I'd wait until midseason to deal him. Give him a chance to have a big first half and build his value back up. You're selling really low on him right now.

[davell]

Since there's been nothing new on this all day, I'll throw out a rumor from PSD. Not from the guy who's money or even from one of the other typical guys who say they have sources. Just a random Cub fan that has some sort of Yankee contact. Says Yanks are offering Betances, Austin Romine, and 2 high ceiling A Ball arms. Will not include EITHER of Montero or Banuelos, much less both. If this info is correct, it makes sense why Bowden listed the Yanks so low on possible fits for Garza.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Since there's been nothing new on this all day, I'll throw out a rumor from PSD. Not from the guy who's money or even from one of the other typical guys who say they have sources. Just a random Cub fan that has some sort of Yankee contact. Says Yanks are offering Betances, Austin Romine, and 2 high ceiling A Ball arms. Will not include EITHER of Montero or Banuelos, much less both. If this info is correct, it makes sense why Bowden listed the Yanks so low on possible fits for Garza.

 

Just out of curiosity, how does that compare with what the A's got for Gio?

[JeffH]

Since there's been nothing new on this all day, I'll throw out a rumor from PSD. Not from the guy who's money or even from one of the other typical guys who say they have sources. Just a random Cub fan that has some sort of Yankee contact. Says Yanks are offering Betances, Austin Romine, and 2 high ceiling A Ball arms. Will not include EITHER of Montero or Banuelos, much less both. If this info is correct, it makes sense why Bowden listed the Yanks so low on possible fits for Garza.

 

That's a garbage offer.

[Tryptamine]

Since there's been nothing new on this all day, I'll throw out a rumor from PSD. Not from the guy who's money or even from one of the other typical guys who say they have sources. Just a random Cub fan that has some sort of Yankee contact. Says Yanks are offering Betances, Austin Romine, and 2 high ceiling A Ball arms. Will not include EITHER of Montero or Banuelos, much less both. If this info is correct, it makes sense why Bowden listed the Yanks so low on possible fits for Garza.

 

Yeah, that's a definite no deal. The highlight of that package is a starter who may end up in the bullpen because of the return of his inability to throw strikes. If that's all the Yankees are offering the. It's time to move to Turner+ or any variation of the Blue Jay's packages.