Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Jacob Turner + X = Garza

 

What would you prefer X to be?

Probably Porcello. Whatever X is, it'd have to be a lot.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That same MLBTradeInsider guy said Cubs are looking to wrap up Garza deal by Tuesday, Brett over at BleacherNation.com semi-confirms, basically saying he can't be specific but that meshes with what he's heard.

[JeffH]

Man, if true, that's some wild stuff.

 

These new guys are out of control!

[davell]

The league offices are closed though, aren't they? Why the supposed rush to get this done? And if it IS true, as secretive as everything inside the organization is, we probably won't know anything until after the New Year.

[davell]

Has anyone heard of a provision that makes any money being sent over in a deal has to be sent completely within 18 months? I'm asking this here, because it coincides with a total selloff, especially when talking about dealing Soriano. With what we owe on him, if we trade him and leave a team 3/12 on his contract(eating 42 mill), it means 21 mill each of the next 2, not 3 seasons. If we got rid of Z as well, I could see our major league payroll dropping into the 85-90 mill range for this season. Garza, Marmol, Byrd, and Soto have value, while Z and Soriano will just be off the books basically. There's nothing left on the market that even makes sense to buy on, if this IS the direction, other than Cespedes possibly, and Soler for sure. Maybe Wei Yen Chen.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Jacob Turner + X = Garza

 

What would you prefer X to be?

 

Someone who's capeable of hitting the ball.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Also, we're at 38 on the 40 man right now. Not counting Reed Johnson and Kerry Wood. So, in trading Garza, we'll probably target talent that's not on other team's 40 man rosters for the most part. Same thing goes in trading anyone else as well. Maybe a swap of guys ON the 40 man, but we'd probably want to add some depth geared more towards the lower levels of our minors, outside of the swap of spots.

 

Now that Sappelt pretty much serves the same purpose as Johnson, is it too late to back out of that and tell him if you cant hook on anywhere else he's welcome to a minor league deal with an invite? Also, I suppose it's possible that someone else on the 40 man could be included in that trade or could be traded on their own. There are a lot of guys on the 40 man I wouldnt miss if their spot was needed for someone else that could actually help us win in the next few years. And there's also the out of the box thinking that we could pass on Kerry Wood even if he is willing to to play for minimim wage.

[davell]

I think the Manny Corpas signing almost definitely means Lendy Castillo isn't making the team. Besides him, the guys I don't care if they have a 40 man spot or not are Weathers, Coleman, Dewitt, Bianchi, and maybe Reed Johnson. That said, if we do wind up with a video game rebuild scenario, having a seemingly good guy like Reed isn't a bad thing, in that case. There has to be some vets on the team that can show the kids work ethic and stuff like that, I guess. Hell, I think I read he turned down a coaching position this year to play again. If we're going for it, I think it's an awful signing, but if he's kind of there to teach and mentor, I'm OK with it, as long as he's not taking at bats away from someone who needs them.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lendy still has a shot. Assuming theyre not traded, Marmol and Russell are the only ones guaranteed pen spots. If Corpas looks awful in ST I can't see them keeping him. There's also Cashner and Shark, but one of them could very well end up in the rotation especially if Garzas traded. Beyond them, there's Corpas, Carpenter, Castillo, Weathers, Dolis, Gaub, Beliveau, Maine, and Stevens for the rest of the spots. Also Kerry Wood who hasnt yet been signed and if he was as much of a sure thing as some think he'd be signed by now. Would he even want to come back if the so called video game rebuild becomes reality? Also there's Coleman and Jackson who could be more valuable starting in Iowa in case we need them sent up as replacements for injury.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Marmol/Wood/Samardzija/Russell/Corpas/Dolis/Castillo.

 

7-man pen, seems like plenty of room for Castillo to me, if he's worth it.

[davell]

Marmol/Wood/Samardzija/Russell/Corpas/Dolis/Castillo.

 

7-man pen, seems like plenty of room for Castillo to me, if he's worth it.

I think Chris Carpenter, John Gaub, and Jeff Beliveau all have much better shots than Castillo does.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Marmol/Wood/Samardzija/Russell/Corpas/Dolis/Castillo.

 

7-man pen, seems like plenty of room for Castillo to me, if he's worth it.

I think Chris Carpenter, John Gaub, and Jeff Beliveau all have much better shots than Castillo does.

 

Plus you'd need a second lefty in the pen. I agree that Castillo does seem to be the odd man out. Castillo is young but has never pitched above A but has only been pitching for 2 years. I'm very intrigued by Weathers and of course Beliveau. Carpenter has great stuff and he and Gaub already have their clocks ticking so I think all 4 of them should be in line before Lendy. Maybe not Beliveau to avoid starting his clock if it isnt necessary.

[davell]

Hell, if we deal Marmol, I guess our closer is going to be one of Shark, Cashner, Dolis, or Carpenter. I did see the Sun Times mention we had inquired on Brad Lidge at some point this offseason. I guess Kerry Wood could still close as well. Of course, with a total rebuild, we're not going to need a closer very much anyway.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hell, if we deal Marmol, I guess our closer is going to be one of Shark, Cashner, Dolis, or Carpenter. I did see the Sun Times mention we had inquired on Brad Lidge at some point this offseason. I guess Kerry Wood could still close as well. Of course, with a total rebuild, we're not going to need a closer very much anyway.

 

Everyone needs a closer but if we do trade Marmol we might want to see which of the younger guys handle the roll best. Cashner might be the best choice but I'd still prefer he start. Weathers could be an interesting stuff. From what I hear he has electric stuff when he can manage to control it. Sounds like Marmol, Carpenter, and Shark. However, Dolis is the only one of the bunch with any closing experience but he simply doesnt have the stuff the other guys do. For some reason I always thought he was a hard thrower until I saw him in action.

[Clem Fandango]

Also, we're at 38 on the 40 man right now. Not counting Reed Johnson and Kerry Wood. So, in trading Garza, we'll probably target talent that's not on other team's 40 man rosters for the most part. Same thing goes in trading anyone else as well. Maybe a swap of guys ON the 40 man, but we'd probably want to add some depth geared more towards the lower levels of our minors, outside of the swap of spots.

 

I have to imagine if we'rei n rebuilding mode, some other 40-man guys are getting shipped off, or will try to be shipped off, i.e. Byrd, Soriano, Marmol, maybe Soto.

[Conky]

Also, we're at 38 on the 40 man right now. Not counting Reed Johnson and Kerry Wood. So, in trading Garza, we'll probably target talent that's not on other team's 40 man rosters for the most part. Same thing goes in trading anyone else as well. Maybe a swap of guys ON the 40 man, but we'd probably want to add some depth geared more towards the lower levels of our minors, outside of the swap of spots.

 

I have to imagine if we'rei n rebuilding mode, some other 40-man guys are getting shipped off, or will try to be shipped off, i.e. Byrd, Soriano, Marmol, maybe Soto.

 

Let's hope so.

 

They really should have sold the rights to light the fuse, though...

[CubsWin]

Hell, if we deal Marmol, I guess our closer is going to be one of Shark, Cashner, Dolis, or Carpenter. I did see the Sun Times mention we had inquired on Brad Lidge at some point this offseason. I guess Kerry Wood could still close as well. Of course, with a total rebuild, we're not going to need a closer very much anyway.

 

Everyone needs a closer but if we do trade Marmol we might want to see which of the younger guys handle the roll best. Cashner might be the best choice but I'd still prefer he start. Weathers could be an interesting stuff. From what I hear he has electric stuff when he can manage to control it. Sounds like Marmol, Carpenter, and Shark. However, Dolis is the only one of the bunch with any closing experience but he simply doesnt have the stuff the other guys do. For some reason I always thought he was a hard thrower until I saw him in action.

He is a hard thrower. Mid-90s fastball that can touch high-90s. Mid-80s slider.

[Guest]

I read on Fox Sports yesterday that the Rangers might be willing to trade Matt Harrison for a more established SP. I saw a Garza/Marshall for Harrison and prospects deal mentioned a few pages back. With Marshall gone now and the Cubs still looking at lefty starters like Francis and Maholm, maybe we could still deal with the Rangers. Would Garza for Harrison, Mike Olt (power hitting 3B at A+ last season), and Roman Mendez (hard throwing SP formerly in the Red Sox system) be a reasonable trade?

[Backtobanks]

I would think trading Garza has to get you at least one young pitcher that can step right into the rotation. Also, we certainly need offensive help.

[Guest]

I would think trading Garza has to get you at least one young pitcher that can step right into the rotation. Also, we certainly need offensive help.

 

Matt Harrison is only 26, and he posted a higher WAR last year than Garza has in his career. Whether it is repeatable or not is debatable, but he is still a solid groundball pitcher that would do well in Wrigley. Getting Profar would be nice, but I don't think the Rangers would give him up. Mike Olt will probably start the season in AA after he tore up the AFL, hitting 13 HRs. He's probably the best power hitter in the Rangers' system, and he plays a good 3B but is blocked by Beltre. I would want a pitcher in addition to those 2 and the Rangers have a bunch of them, but the question is which one would they give up?

[CUBZ99]

The Cubs could do a ton better than Matt Harrison. Harrison had a really good year last year, but there is nothing about his history or stats that would make anyone think he could repeat it. Trading Garza is the chance the Cubs have to get a prospect with front of the rotation type stuff, not another middle/back of the rotation type starter.

[KingCubsFan]

The Cubs could do a ton better than Matt Harrison. Harrison had a really good year last year, but there is nothing about his history or stats that would make anyone think he could repeat it. Trading Garza is the chance the Cubs have to get a prospect with front of the rotation type stuff, not another middle/back of the rotation type starter.

Agreed. Which is why the Yankees or Tigers are a better trading partner. I still don't think the Yankees would trade both Betances/Banuelos and Montero, but if they would, I'd immediately do it.

[Clem Fandango]

The Cubs could do a ton better than Matt Harrison. Harrison had a really good year last year, but there is nothing about his history or stats that would make anyone think he could repeat it. Trading Garza is the chance the Cubs have to get a prospect with front of the rotation type stuff, not another middle/back of the rotation type starter.

 

This... unless Profar or Holland are involved, I don't want to deal with the Rangers. All the other guys they're rumored to be able to offer in a Garza trade make me wanna vomit. Harrison is the type of guy I would've expected to get back if they traded Marshall to the Rangers.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Yeah, Harrison doesn't inspire me in the slightest. I'd really love to see the Royals get involved. As great as their young offensive core looks like it can be, their pitching is brutal. I know they don't want to come out of Wil Myers, but I'd they want any chance to compete while they have most of their players are under team control they'll need better pitching than Luke Hochever and Bruce Chen and I really don't see them in the Cain or Hamels sweepstakes next winter.

 

Is Garza and Vitters for Myers, Moustakas, and 2 lower level guys from their top 10-20 be realistic? I'd love Hosmer but I won't even go there, although if they want to send him instead of Myers and then something else instead of Moustakas, I wouldn't complain. After all, they have both Butler and Gordon to take back 1st if they moved Hosmer.

[Backtobanks]

Yeah, Harrison doesn't inspire me in the slightest. I'd really love to see the Royals get involved. As great as their young offensive core looks like it can be, their pitching is brutal. I know they don't want to come out of Wil Myers, but I'd they want any chance to compete while they have most of their players are under team control they'll need better pitching than Luke Hochever and Bruce Chen and I really don't see them in the Cain or Hamels sweepstakes next winter.

 

Is Garza and Vitters for Myers, Moustakas, and 2 lower level guys from their top 10-20 be realistic? I'd love Hosmer but I won't even go there, although if they want to send him instead of Myers and then something else instead of Moustakas, I wouldn't complain. After all, they have both Butler and Gordon to take back 1st if they moved Hosmer.

 

I agree they need pitching, but I doubt that they would move Myers for a pitcher when they are quite ready to contend.