Re: What would you deal Garza for?

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we needed some upper-level middle infield prospect, I heard a couple of them went in the Rule V.

 

It was a necessary evil to make sure we had room for Jeff Bianchi and Reed Johnson.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Not sure where to put this, but now would be the perfect time to see some of these "parallel fronts" Theo is talking about. Kuroda, Oswalt, and Jackson are the last 3 solid pitchers on the market. Meaning they are options for the teams still in need of SP. Now, Garza is certainly a better option than they are, but they just cost money. So, I wonder if signing Kuroda is a serious option for us? My honest guess is Oswalt's going to want to play for a winner. Jackson's going to be a 3 or 4 year commitment. So, Kuroda may be our best shot. Getting these guys off the market only helps Garza's value.

 

My guess is that the Red Sox will jump on one of Kuroda or Oswalt in the coming days. Maybe the Yankees get involved there with one of them. Of course, that could damage the Garza market.

 

Haven't heard squat about Edwin Jackson this off-season, which is mildly surprising. Didn't love him, but he's an intriguing asset in his prime years.

 

Jackson fills a different need than Oswalt and Kuroda. Jackson should get a 3 year deal or even a 4 at a lesser dollar amount and someone who wants a mid rotation starter will probably give it to him. Kuroda and Oswalt while are better pitchers are more appealing to teams looking for more of a front end starter, probably a 3 in a good rotation or a 2 in a decent rotation but on a 2 year or even 1 year deal. Depending on how much money the Yankees have available it might be in their best interest to sign Jackson and 1 of the other 2.

[dew1679666265]

If we needed some upper-level middle infield prospect, I heard a couple of them went in the Rule V.

 

Yeah, we had a glut of them in the high minors until we started giving them away. Now we really need some.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we needed some upper-level middle infield prospect, I heard a couple of them went in the Rule V.

 

Yeah, we had a glut of them in the high minors until we started giving them away. Now we really need some.

 

I don't think that we neccessairly need middle infield prospects, but considering our starting 2nd baseman will likely level out at Andres Blanco, Flaherty should have at least been given a look at spring training. Other than that, we have enough carcasses to inhabit 2nd base and backup SS between Baker, DeWitt, Binanchi, Barney, Mota, and eventually Logan Theriot. I am still perplexed as to why we left them unprotected, but at the same time there's no desperation to find AA-AAA middle infielders.

[dew1679666265]

I don't think that we neccessairly need middle infield prospects, but considering our starting 2nd baseman will likely level out at Andres Blanco, Flaherty should have at least been given a look at spring training. Other than that, we have enough carcasses to inhabit 2nd base and backup SS between Baker, DeWitt, Binanchi, Barney, Mota, and eventually Logan Theriot. I am still perplexed as to why we left them unprotected, but at the same time there's no desperation to find AA-AAA middle infielders.

 

The problem is, Flaherty and Marwin are probably better than four of the names you listed (Baker and Barney the exceptions), so letting them walk still makes no sense to me. Especially when we then claim Bianchi.

[UMFan83]

Bruce Levine will be on espn 1000 at 430 and they were teasing news about trading Garza.

 

Probably not anything as they would just come out and say it if it was anything meaningful.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't think that we neccessairly need middle infield prospects, but considering our starting 2nd baseman will likely level out at Andres Blanco, Flaherty should have at least been given a look at spring training. Other than that, we have enough carcasses to inhabit 2nd base and backup SS between Baker, DeWitt, Binanchi, Barney, Mota, and eventually Logan Theriot. I am still perplexed as to why we left them unprotected, but at the same time there's no desperation to find AA-AAA middle infielders.

 

The problem is, Flaherty and Marwin are probably better than four of the names you listed (Baker and Barney the exceptions), so letting them walk still makes no sense to me. Especially when we then claim Bianchi.

 

Correction, they're potentially better than all of the names I mentioned but that wasn't my point. My point was that while we should have kept Flaherty and Gonzalez that doesn't mean we need to go out and get more minor league middle infielders.

[Guest]

It'd be cool if someone with more time than me compiled a list of the top 5 or 10 prospects of the handful of teams that would be likely to be in on Garza.

[KaiserCesar]

It'd be cool if someone with more time than me compiled a list of the top 5 or 10 prospects of the handful of teams that would be likely to be in on Garza.

 

I'd say prospects and young major league talent with years of team control left like Wood.

[Guest]

It'd be cool if someone with more time than me compiled a list of the top 5 or 10 prospects of the handful of teams that would be likely to be in on Garza.

 

I'd say prospects and young major league talent with years of team control left like Wood.

 

 

Good call.

 

Get on it, mystery knowledgeable poster.

[davell]

I'll try and do this from my cell. Red Sox first, probably don't match up well with them either. On their 40 man, they have Ryan Lavarnway, an all hit, no field C. Will middlebrooks is a prototypical 3B prospect. Good glove, good power. Ryan Kalish is an OFer who's a solid hitter and fielder, good glove, decent speed. Think Brett Jackson with slightly less pop and less K's and BB's. Josh Reddick has power, may wind up a very good 4th OFer. Off their 40 man, Xander Bogaerts is a SS, probably moves to 3B though. Shot up rankings lists this year, ala Castro. Supposedly untouchable for them. Bigtime hitter. Garin Cecchini has all the tools in the world, a 3B as well, yet to play full season ball. Brandon Jacobs is a 5 tool OFer, lots of K's and a long way away as well. Sean Coyle is an excellent hitting 2B. Lots of pop. Bryce Brentz is a typical RF prospect. Big power, big arm, contact issues. Anthony Ranaudo is their top pitching prospect. Throws hard, very inconsistent. Haywood Workman is an innings eater, big body type that winds up as a 4 or 5. Alex Wilson is a guy we drafted once, big body, innings eater or possble pen arm.

[Guest]

I'll try and do this from my cell.

 

Red Sox

Probably don't match up well with them either.

- On their 40 man, they have Ryan Lavarnway, an all hit, no field C.

- Will middlebrooks is a prototypical 3B prospect. Good glove, good power.

- Ryan Kalish is an OFer who's a solid hitter and fielder, good glove, decent speed. Think Brett Jackson with slightly less pop and less K's and BB's.

- Josh Reddick has power, may wind up a very good 4th OFer.

- Off their 40 man, Xander Bogaerts is a SS, probably moves to 3B though. Shot up rankings lists this year, ala Castro. Supposedly untouchable for them. Bigtime hitter.

- Garin Cecchini has all the tools in the world, a 3B as well, yet to play full season ball. Brandon Jacobs is a 5 tool OFer, lots of K's and a long way away as well.

- Sean Coyle is an excellent hitting 2B. Lots of pop.

- Bryce Brentz is a typical RF prospect. Big power, big arm, contact issues.

- Anthony Ranaudo is their top pitching prospect. Throws hard, very inconsistent.

- Haywood Workman is an innings eater, big body type that winds up as a 4 or 5.

- Alex Wilson is a guy we drafted once, big body, innings eater or possble pen arm.

 

For doing this from your phone, I'm going to give you mad props. Super mad props.

 

And I'm going to break it down and make it a little more readable.

[davell]

Oh yeah, Lavarnway is a possible top 100 guy. Middlebrooks is somewhere in the 50 to 75 range. Kalish is a former top 50ish guy, lost his eligibility. Reddick made the list at one point as well. Bogaerts is probably top 30ish. Cecchini, Coyle, and Jacobs would probably all get some consideration this year.

[davell]

Yankees match up very well with us, but seem to be hesitant to trade away thei cheap, young guys now. On their 40 man, I'd say there's a decent possibility Hughes could be part of a Garza deal myself. Jesus Montero is a C, that probably BEGINS his major league career as a DH. May play some 1B. Flat out rakes though. If he OPS's .900 as a rookie, it won't totally surprise me. Austin Romine is another C. Does everything fairly well, nothing great. Is definitely a starting major league C though. Dellin Betances is a huge RHP. Mid 90's effortless FB. His curve and change are very solid as well. I've seen young Josh Beckett comps. Off their 40 man, is Manny Banuelos, a smallish LHP, with a mid 90's FB as well. Excellent CB. Gary Sanchez is another C. Bigtime power, solid skills behind the plate, played A ball last year at 18. Mason Williams is a 5 tool OFer who hasn't played full season ball yet. Betances and Banuelos are both top 100 guys. Some lists may have Betances higher than others, Banuelos is probably top 40ish. Betances anywhere from 50 to 80ish, command issues being the reasoning for the lower rankings. Sanchez is probably top 50ish himself. Montero is top 10ish. Romine may not make it this year, but has in the past and is capable of starting immediately. Williams will probably be a huge riser next year, if he succeeds in A ball.

[davell]

Toronto needs separate posts. First, their 40 man roster guys...... travis Snider and Kyle Drabek are both well known names and have lost some to most of their luster. Both could be had in a deal for Garza. Henderson Alvarez is a GB pitcher, throws low 90's from the right side and has 4/5 written all over him. Early success in majors and is very young. 21, I think. JP Arencibia is an all or nothing type C. Humongous power, will never hit for average and is below average behind the plate. Could be the Rob Deer of our generation. Brett Lawrie is untouchable. Superstar 3B in the making. Travis D'Arnoud is also untouchable, but makes Arencibia available, since he's a C. Should be a superstar as well. Colby Rasmus, everyone knows about him as well and he could be a part of a Garza deal too. Lawrie and D'Arnoud have both been top 10ish type prospects. Arencibia was top 100 at one point. As were Snider, Rasmus, and Drabek. In fact all 3 were top 50 easily. Alvarez never was and moved very quickly. Getting a back end cheap guy like Wood may keep Alvarez off our radar now anyway.

[davell]

Off the 40 man is where the Jays shine, in my opinion. Anthony Gose is tools galore. K's galore as well, witout plate discipline either. Bigtime power, with defensive back speed. Love him or hate him type. Jake marisnick is also a CF. Large athletic, played A ball and showed power and speed with a decent approach. Both of these guys are top 50. Noah Syndergaard is a big righty with excellent stuff. K/9 should be great. Mid 90's heat, excellent movement, changeup is averagish now, if it develops he has ace potential. Justin Nicolino, also played A ball last year is a slender lefty, awesome control, offspeed stuff is his ticket, has low 90's FB. Has 2ish potential. Drew Hutchison has workhorse written all over him, pitched at 3 levels last year. Solid mix of pitches, also has 2, probably 3 potential. Deck McGuire is a 3/4 guy, solid repertoire with very slim chance of burning out. He is what he is. Should have long major league career. Aaron Sanchez is another really young arm for them with breakout potential. Tons of movement, needs to get a handle on it. CB is his best pitch. Marcus Knecht is a toolsy corner OFer, typical big arm, hole in his swing, big power, decent speed. Syndergaard and Nicolino may or may not make top 100 lists this year. Both are candidates to be top 20 guys next year though, if they repeat in A+ ball what they did in A. Hutchison is probably a back end top 100 guy with potential to move much higher as well. McGuire probably will miss lists, but is close. Sanchez and Knecht are not going to be seen this year, but Sanchez certainly has top 50ish potential.

[bcl412]

Toronto needs separate posts. First, their 40 man roster guys...... travis Snider and Kyle Drabek are both well known names and have lost some to most of their luster. Both could be had in a deal for Garza. Henderson Alvarez is a GB pitcher, throws low 90's from the right side and has 4/5 written all over him. Early success in majors and is very young. 21, I think. JP Arencibia is an all or nothing type C. Humongous power, will never hit for average and is below average behind the plate. Could be the Rob Deer of our generation. Brett Lawrie is untouchable. Superstar 3B in the making. Travis D'Arnoud is also untouchable, but makes Arencibia available, since he's a C. Should be a superstar as well. Colby Rasmus, everyone knows about him as well and he could be a part of a Garza deal too. Lawrie and D'Arnoud have both been top 10ish type prospects. Arencibia was top 100 at one point. As were Snider, Rasmus, and Drabek. In fact all 3 were top 50 easily. Alvarez never was and moved very quickly. Getting a back end cheap guy like Wood may keep Alvarez off our radar now anyway.

 

Getting Rasmus and having him become the great player he was hyped to be in the minors would almost be as cool as signing Pujols would have been in the pissing Cardinals fans off department.

[Epsteenie]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

[davell]

Here's my thinking on this: I would prefer a package from Toronto, because of volume. If we could get a package of Marisnick, 2 of Syndergaard, Nicolino, and Hutchison, and one of Sanchez or Knecht, I'd prefer that to a package of Montero and one of Banuelos or Betances. If the Yanks offered both pitchers and Sanchez, I'd jump all over that though. I don't really have an interest in Drabek, Snider, or Rasmus, to be honest. And I don't have an interest in anything the Red Sox could offer.

[davell]

By the way, Toronto makes more sense for us in my scenario as well, because our 40 man stands at 39 right now, once Corpas and Johnson are added. Not even counting Kerry Wood.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

What's your address so I can send you a Soriano jersey?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

Try getting a Castillo or Wood jersey to double your odds.

[UMFan83]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

I really hope you didn't have to pay for it. Who buys a jersey of a player rumored to be traded in the next couple of weeks?

[Epsteenie]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

I really hope you didn't have to pay for it. Who buys a jersey of a player rumored to be traded in the next couple of weeks?

 

It was from my girlfriend's cousin. He's from out of town so he planned on having his mother pick it up for him. Apparently he told his mother to get me a jersey with no name on the back. He was planning on putting Epstein on the back. But instead she got me a Garza jersey. So now I have a Garza jersey and he will be gone in 3 weeks.

[TruffleShuffle]

I received a Matt Garza jersey tonight. So he will be traded

within the next week.

 

What's your address so I can send you a Soriano jersey?

 

this actually made me laugh, wtg WSR.